Do all rings matter the same?

[scrabbarista]

And i think that Nuggets team is getting disrespected by saying Jokic carried them. Like extremely disrespected.

Nuggets had 6 players averaging double digits coupled with great defense.

Murray was on a all time run averaging 26/7 on 47/40/92 splits.

They were shooting it extremely well.

So Jokic didn't carry them to anything. That was a great team with Jokic at the forefront. We've seen Jokic playing with scrubs in the playoffs in 2022. they lost 4-1 againt the warriors.

Like there is no need to disrespect that team in order to uplift Jokic. It reeks of an agenda. Jokic doesn't need that he's already great no need to lie.

You're missing a lot of shades of grey here. In 2022, he was playing with guys who were non-rotation players and even non-NBA players. In 2023, he was playing without any Top 100 or Top 150 players of all-time. By championship standards, that is a carry. Yes, guys 2-6 all contributed significantly. Probably don't win a title if they don't.

But.

His PER was 3rd all time for a champ ('54 Mikan and '91 Jordan)

His BPM was 2nd all time for a champ ('91 Jordan)

His WS was 4th all-time for a champ ('03 Duncan, '12 James, '13 James)

It was a monster postseason following a monster regular season. And definitely fair to say he "carried" the team, if any player ever "carries" a champion.

Thats my point lol. Dude called the 2023 team a bunch of scrubs but we saw Jokic in 2022 playing with actual scrubs and he lost 4-1.

And the thing about him not playing wth a top 100 or top 150

It doesn't take away from how great those players were lol. Jamal averaging 26/7 on absurd percentages shouldn't get swept under the rug just because he's not a top whatever player. he had an all time run.

So no i dont think it's fair to say Jokic carried. Especially as a Laker fan considering i had front row seats watching Murray and MPJ torch us the entire series.

I just looked up his averages against us. The **** averaged 32/6/5 on 52/40 splits. That is absurd.

Thats like me saying Lebron carried a bunch of scrubs in 2016.

Right. I don't know who you're mad at. Obviously, they weren't scrubs. No champ team in basketball, even the Minneapolis Lakers, is just a star and some scrubs. I was just giving some historical context. Like, there are degrees.

[bmurph128]

The same ring doesn't count the same.

I think most people have no issues with Curry's rings, but have some issues with Durants

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[Tracymcgoaty]

You're missing a lot of shades of grey here. In 2022, he was playing with guys who were non-rotation players and even non-NBA players. In 2023, he was playing without any Top 100 or Top 150 players of all-time. By championship standards, that is a carry. Yes, guys 2-6 all contributed significantly. Probably don't win a title if they don't.

But.

His PER was 3rd all time for a champ ('54 Mikan and '91 Jordan)

His BPM was 2nd all time for a champ ('91 Jordan)

His WS was 4th all-time for a champ ('03 Duncan, '12 James, '13 James)

It was a monster postseason following a monster regular season. And definitely fair to say he "carried" the team, if any player ever "carries" a champion.

Thats my point lol. Dude called the 2023 team a bunch of scrubs but we saw Jokic in 2022 playing with actual scrubs and he lost 4-1.

And the thing about him not playing wth a top 100 or top 150

It doesn't take away from how great those players were lol. Jamal averaging 26/7 on absurd percentages shouldn't get swept under the rug just because he's not a top whatever player. he had an all time run.

So no i dont think it's fair to say Jokic carried. Especially as a Laker fan considering i had front row seats watching Murray and MPJ torch us the entire series.

I just looked up his averages against us. The **** averaged 32/6/5 on 52/40 splits. That is absurd.

Thats like me saying Lebron carried a bunch of scrubs in 2016.

Right. I don't know who you're mad at. Obviously, they weren't scrubs. No champ team in basketball, even the Minneapolis Lakers, is just a star and some scrubs. I was just giving some historical context. Like, there are degrees.

Lol scrab just because im calling out what i believe are holes in a persons argument doesn't mean im mad

What the hell am i even supposed to be mad at. And i was clearly calling out OP calling them scrubs not you.

If you want to see me mad just watch my comments when we lost against phlly. That should give you a good indication of when im mad

[reddyplayerone]

The same ring doesn't count the same.

I think most people have no issues with Curry's rings, but have some issues with Durants

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But they're literally the same rings so how on earth does this make sense lmao

Also this thread is cause of me so you're welcome everyone!

[MrPainfulTruth]

And i think that Nuggets team is getting disrespected by saying Jokic carried them. Like extremely disrespected.

Nuggets had 6 players averaging double digits coupled with great defense.

Murray was on a all time run averaging 26/7 on 47/40/92 splits.

They were shooting it extremely well.

So Jokic didn't carry them to anything. That was a great team with Jokic at the forefront. We've seen Jokic playing with scrubs in the playoffs in 2022. they lost 4-1 againt the warriors.

Like there is no need to disrespect that team in order to uplift Jokic. It reeks of an agenda. Jokic doesn't need that he's already great no need to lie.


By your own metric. Great duo and a great supporting cast = superteam.

Nuggets a superteam?

Jokic never had an allstar. partner. Or all NBA player. Yes some guys had good runs. So had Booby Gibson. Whats your point? You want to compare anyone on the nuggets to Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie or even AD, a top 5 player in 2020? Let me know when Jamal Murray breaks the top 40

[MrPainfulTruth]

The same ring doesn't count the same.

I think most people have no issues with Curry's rings, but have some issues with Durants

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Then Curry has two real rings and two so so ones?

[ryguy613]

havent we learned the truth yet?

[Baz]

Had a few discussions with some good folk about this on the other thread and I'm glad to see the majority of people understand what I do

[Tracymcgoaty]

And i think that Nuggets team is getting disrespected by saying Jokic carried them. Like extremely disrespected.

Nuggets had 6 players averaging double digits coupled with great defense.

Murray was on a all time run averaging 26/7 on 47/40/92 splits.

They were shooting it extremely well.

So Jokic didn't carry them to anything. That was a great team with Jokic at the forefront. We've seen Jokic playing with scrubs in the playoffs in 2022. they lost 4-1 againt the warriors.

Like there is no need to disrespect that team in order to uplift Jokic. It reeks of an agenda. Jokic doesn't need that he's already great no need to lie.


By your own metric. Great duo and a great supporting cast = superteam.

Nuggets a superteam?

Jokic never had an allstar. partner. Or all NBA player. Yes some guys had good runs. So had Booby Gibson. Whats your point? You want to compare anyone on the nuggets to Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie or even AD, a top 5 player in 2020? Let me know when Jamal Murray breaks the top 40

How many all-star players averaged what Murray did in the post season on those splits??

Murray averaged 32/6/5 against the Lakers BUT HE'S NOT AN ALL-STAR hurr durrr so he's a scrub and jokic carried

Do you have any idea how many all-stars who have come up short in the post season lol?

Demar Derozan is better than Murray then. You'd easily take him over Murray on that nuggets team right? 6x all-star 2x all nba

[One Last Shot]

And i think that Nuggets team is getting disrespected by saying Jokic carried them. Like extremely disrespected.

Nuggets had 6 players averaging double digits coupled with great defense.

Murray was on a all time run averaging 26/7 on 47/40/92 splits.

They were shooting it extremely well.

So Jokic didn't carry them to anything. That was a great team with Jokic at the forefront. We've seen Jokic playing with scrubs in the playoffs in 2022. they lost 4-1 againt the warriors.

Like there is no need to disrespect that team in order to uplift Jokic. It reeks of an agenda. Jokic doesn't need that he's already great no need to lie.


By your own metric. Great duo and a great supporting cast = superteam.

Nuggets a superteam?

Jokic never had an allstar. partner. Or all NBA player. Yes some guys had good runs. So had Booby Gibson. Whats your point? You want to compare anyone on the nuggets to Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie or even AD, a top 5 player in 2020? Let me know when Jamal Murray breaks the top 40

How many all-star players averaged what Murray did in the post season on those splits??

Murray averaged 32/6/5 against the Lakers BUT HE'S NOT AN ALL-STAR hurr durrr so he's a scrub and jokic carried

Do you have any idea how many all-stars who have come up short in the post season lol?

Demar Derozan is better than Murray then. You'd easily take him over Murray on that nuggets team right? 6x all-star 2x all nba

I don't get it, are these people pretending to be dumb comparing Boobie Gibson who averaged 8+ ppg in a playoffs run to 2023 Jamal Murray in the playoffs? What Jamal did in that postseason is actually on par to Stephen Curry when he won the NBA title in 2022.


Jamal Murray in 2023 Playoffs(20 games)
26.1 ppg, 7.1 apg, 5.7 rpg, 47/40/93 shooting split

Stephen Curry in 2022 Playoffs(22 games)
27.4 ppg, 5.7 apg, 6.0 rpg, 44/37/94 shooting split

[Tracymcgoaty]

Jokic never had an allstar. partner. Or all NBA player. Yes some guys had good runs. So had Booby Gibson. Whats your point? You want to compare anyone on the nuggets to Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie or even AD, a top 5 player in 2020? Let me know when Jamal Murray breaks the top 40

How many all-star players averaged what Murray did in the post season on those splits??

Murray averaged 32/6/5 against the Lakers BUT HE'S NOT AN ALL-STAR hurr durrr so he's a scrub and jokic carried

Do you have any idea how many all-stars who have come up short in the post season lol?

Demar Derozan is better than Murray then. You'd easily take him over Murray on that nuggets team right? 6x all-star 2x all nba

I don't get it, are these people pretending to be dumb comparing Boobie Gibson who averaged 8+ ppg in a playoffs run to 2023 Jamal Murray in the playoffs? What Jamal did in that postseason is actually on par to Stephen Curry when he won the NBA title in 2022.


Jamal Murray in 2023 Playoffs(20 games)
26.1 ppg, 7.1 apg, 5.7 rpg, 47/40/93 shooting split

Stephen Curry in 2022 Playoffs(22 games)
27.4 ppg, 5.7 apg, 6.0 rpg, 44/37/94 shooting split

These people are peak agenda driven but they'll hide behind saying they just want a discussion. Their mind has already been made up before they create topics like this.

like i wrote before. Jokic has played with actual SCRUBS in the playoffs and that was in 2022. They got dominated by the warriors 4-1.

[Stan]

This is OP's 2nd LeBron meltdown thread of the day, hope everything's ok.

[floppymoose]

So Jamal Murray was awesome in 2023 playoffs. But he was playing next to an MVP. Curry was playing next to... Andrew Wiggins I guess was next best player for GSW. It doesn't make sense to compare their box score stats. They received dramatically different levels of defensive attention.

[SlimShady83]

This is OP's 2nd LeBron meltdown thread of the day, hope everything's ok.

His going for Jordan's 3peat that's all It Is

[MrPainfulTruth]

Pretty much landslide win here for people who dont believe in easy uncompetitive titles. Assuring result, i want to thank you for participating.

[DukeLecker]

The Covid season has an asterisk. It’s only a 50% ring maybe at most.

[hardenASG13]

And i think that Nuggets team is getting disrespected by saying Jokic carried them. Like extremely disrespected.

Nuggets had 6 players averaging double digits coupled with great defense.

Murray was on a all time run averaging 26/7 on 47/40/92 splits.

They were shooting it extremely well.

So Jokic didn't carry them to anything. That was a great team with Jokic at the forefront. We've seen Jokic playing with scrubs in the playoffs in 2022. they lost 4-1 againt the warriors.

Like there is no need to disrespect that team in order to uplift Jokic. It reeks of an agenda. Jokic doesn't need that he's already great no need to lie.


By your own metric. Great duo and a great supporting cast = superteam.

Nuggets a superteam?

Jokic never had an allstar. partner. Or all NBA player. Yes some guys had good runs. So had Booby Gibson. Whats your point? You want to compare anyone on the nuggets to Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie or even AD, a top 5 player in 2020? Let me know when Jamal Murray breaks the top 40

Do you want to compare the 2012 celtics/thunder, 2013 Spurs, and 2016 warriors to the 23 wolves,suns, lakers, and heat?

All star teammates were required to beat them. They weren't in 2023, although Murray played like one.

Competition has to matter. This is true of other titles as well not just Jokic (like bill Russell's 11 on a team with all the stars in a small league, Giannis in 2021, etc.)

[Big J]

And i think that Nuggets team is getting disrespected by saying Jokic carried them. Like extremely disrespected.

Nuggets had 6 players averaging double digits coupled with great defense.

Murray was on a all time run averaging 26/7 on 47/40/92 splits.

They were shooting it extremely well.

So Jokic didn't carry them to anything. That was a great team with Jokic at the forefront. We've seen Jokic playing with scrubs in the playoffs in 2022. they lost 4-1 againt the warriors.

Like there is no need to disrespect that team in order to uplift Jokic. It reeks of an agenda. Jokic doesn't need that he's already great no need to lie.


By your own metric. Great duo and a great supporting cast = superteam.

Nuggets a superteam?

Jokic never had an allstar. partner. Or all NBA player. Yes some guys had good runs. So had Booby Gibson. Whats your point? You want to compare anyone on the nuggets to Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie or even AD, a top 5 player in 2020? Let me know when Jamal Murray breaks the top 40

Do you want to compare the 2012 celtics/thunder, 2013 Spurs, and 2016 warriors to the 23 wolves,suns, lakers, and heat?

All star teammates were required to beat them. They weren't in 2023, although Murray played like one.

Competition has to matter. This is true of other titles as well not just Jokic (like bill Russell's 11 on a team with all the stars in a small league, Giannis in 2021, etc.)

This is a good point. That Nuggets team beat 2 8 seeds, a 7 seed, and a 4 seed. If anything that ring should worth less than a normal one.

[MrPainfulTruth]

And i think that Nuggets team is getting disrespected by saying Jokic carried them. Like extremely disrespected.

Nuggets had 6 players averaging double digits coupled with great defense.

Murray was on a all time run averaging 26/7 on 47/40/92 splits.

They were shooting it extremely well.

So Jokic didn't carry them to anything. That was a great team with Jokic at the forefront. We've seen Jokic playing with scrubs in the playoffs in 2022. they lost 4-1 againt the warriors.

Like there is no need to disrespect that team in order to uplift Jokic. It reeks of an agenda. Jokic doesn't need that he's already great no need to lie.


By your own metric. Great duo and a great supporting cast = superteam.

Nuggets a superteam?

Jokic never had an allstar. partner. Or all NBA player. Yes some guys had good runs. So had Booby Gibson. Whats your point? You want to compare anyone on the nuggets to Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie or even AD, a top 5 player in 2020? Let me know when Jamal Murray breaks the top 40

Do you want to compare the 2012 celtics/thunder, 2013 Spurs, and 2016 warriors to the 23 wolves,suns, lakers, and heat?

All star teammates were required to beat them. They weren't in 2023, although Murray played like one.

Competition has to matter. This is true of other titles as well not just Jokic (like bill Russell's 11 on a team with all the stars in a small league, Giannis in 2021, etc.)

I agree competition matters (which makes Dirks ring even more impressive). However we cnanot ignore the enormous pressure on a guy like Jokic compared to someone who has a stable solid roster of good to great players around him. He litearlly couldnt take a minute off without his team dropping back by like 15 seconds. That isnt the case if you can lean into guys like Wade, Bosh and so on. Yes Murray had a great run, but is and always was simply unreliable, just like MPJ. The psychological pressure must be massive on those guys and even if the Nuggets didnt face the hardest of competitions, without Jokic they had zero chance of getting past any of them.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Jokic never had an allstar. partner. Or all NBA player. Yes some guys had good runs. So had Booby Gibson. Whats your point? You want to compare anyone on the nuggets to Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie or even AD, a top 5 player in 2020? Let me know when Jamal Murray breaks the top 40

Do you want to compare the 2012 celtics/thunder, 2013 Spurs, and 2016 warriors to the 23 wolves,suns, lakers, and heat?

All star teammates were required to beat them. They weren't in 2023, although Murray played like one.

Competition has to matter. This is true of other titles as well not just Jokic (like bill Russell's 11 on a team with all the stars in a small league, Giannis in 2021, etc.)

I agree competition matters (which makes Dirks ring even more impressive). However we cnanot ignore the enormous pressure on a guy like Jokic compared to someone who has a stable solid roster of good to great players around him. He litearlly couldnt take a minute off without his team dropping back by like 15 seconds. That isnt the case if you can lean into guys like Wade, Bosh and so on. Yes Murray had a great run, but is and always was simply unreliable, just like MPJ. The psychological pressure must be massive on those guys and even if the Nuggets didnt face the hardest of competitions, without Jokic they had zero chance of getting past any of them.

Murray historically has gotten to another level during the post season. His numbers in the post season jumps levels across the board.