At what point does the NBA replace Adam Silver?

[Myth]

He’ll probably retire in like a decade.

[The Master]

I agree with most of this but players sitting out is weak as hell if they aren't actually hurt. They want their cake and to eat it too then suit up and play the literal game.

Yeah, but NBA introduced 65-game rule for a reason, e.g. prime Kawhi wouldn't be eligible for any of his All-NBA accolades in 19-21 seasons, he was under this threshold in one of his DPOTY years as well.

Actually, NBA is pretty decent in adjusting things in areas they have a control over. Among others:

- new lottery rules,
- Durant rule,
- play-ins,
- in-season tournament,
- 65-game rule,
- 2nd apron.

Yet, OP complains about things NBA has no control over/Silver isn't responsible for: gambling conducted by few morons (they reacted accordingly); ASG being a joke (it started under Stern, in 2014 we have a score of 163-155; we have new ASG format this year, so let's wait); Bronny James (lol); 3pt shooting (we've been witnessing annual growth of volume of 3pt shooting for years).

There's a climate to s*** on NBA regardless of what they are doing, that's it.

In reality, NBA financially is doing great and they adjust many things to improve a product. And they did, regular season is just more interesting than it was few years ago. If you still don't like it? Not everything is for everyone, I guess.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

He just helped facilitate their biggest media rights deal ever. Bro's not going anywhere my man.

While I agree he isn’t going anywhere, this would have happened with or without him. Nothing he did led to the deal.

[ReginaldDwight]

I agree with most of this but players sitting out is weak as hell if they aren't actually hurt. They want their cake and to eat it too then suit up and play the literal game.

Yeah, but NBA introduced 65-game rule for a reason, e.g. prime Kawhi wouldn't be eligible for any of his All-NBA accolades in 19-21 seasons, he was under this threshold in one of his DPOTY years as well.

Actually, NBA is pretty decent in adjusting things in areas they have a control over. Among others:

- new lottery rules,
- Durant rule,
- play-ins,
- in-season tournament,
- 65-game rule,
- 2nd apron.

Yet, OP complains about things NBA has no control over/Silver isn't responsible for: gambling conducted by few morons (they reacted accordingly); ASG being a joke (it started under Stern, in 2014 we have a score of 163-155; we have new ASG format this year, so let's wait); Bronny James (lol); 3pt shooting (we've been witnessing annual growth of volume of 3pt shooting for years).

There's a climate to s*** on NBA regardless of what they are doing, that's it.

In reality, NBA financially is doing great and they adjust many things to improve a product. And they did, regular season is just more interesting than it was few years ago. If you still don't like it? Not everything is for everyone, I guess.

Well we all know the reason why people crap on the NBA. I just mainly hate the sitting out cause I always imagine some kid at his first game to see his favorite star player and having them sit when they are healthy. Feels weak.

[The Master]

Well we all know the reason why people crap on the NBA. I just mainly hate the sitting out cause I always imagine some kid at his first game to see his favorite star player and having them sit when they are healthy. Feels weak.

I def agree, I'm just saying that NBA reacted accordingly (as this is a thread about Silver).

Usual suspects (Embiid, Kawhi) would lose plenty of accolades and money from the past within these new rules, players are complaining (that means it's legit) - what else can you do.

Unpopular opinion: NBA is pretty solid at addressing things that they can improve. Stars leaving 'original' teams in the free agency (Durant rule); super teams dominating (2nd apron); tanking going out of proportion (lottery change); stars sitting out casually (65-game rule); RS getting boring (play-in and in-season tournament); ASG being a mess (new ASG format).

It's not a perfect product, nothing is perfect, but you can't say they're not identifying and fixing (at least partially) problems. There's area that NBA can address, there's area that is out of control mostly (evolution of the game of basketball) - and there's area related to other parties (players, organizations).

Among these 3 groups of actors, I do believe NBA is doing the best job.

[ItsDanger]

Hope they replace him but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

[SweaterBae]

Basketball and the NBA are two different things. The NBA is the subset, the Game of Basketball is the super. The NBA does not care about the game of basketball. They care about money and only money.

[Ice Man]

Since Silver took over in 2014, MLB franchise values have tripled, NFL franchises are worth 4.5x as much, and NBA franchises are worth 7x as much. Meaning that Silver will lose his job the day that Patrick Mahomes does. He's a superstar.

[DoItALL9]

2047

[JayMKE]

I miss mafioso-esqe Stern so much

Only way Silver stops driving league into ground is if he gets promoted to Disney probably ughh


He’s going to **** up the game worse then Manfred

[NiceLikeChrist]

He just helped facilitate their biggest media rights deal ever. Bro's not going anywhere my man.

are we seriously attributing that to him and not just usual inflation just like their contracts and caps. the next commissioner will also facilitate the biggest media rights deal for the NBA ever

[NiceLikeChrist]

Since Silver took over in 2014, MLB franchise values have tripled, NFL franchises are worth 4.5x as much, and NBA franchises are worth 7x as much. Meaning that Silver will lose his job the day that Patrick Mahomes does. He's a superstar.

thanks to the players not silver

[Big J]

He just helped facilitate their biggest media rights deal ever. Bro's not going anywhere my man.

While I agree he isn’t going anywhere, this would have happened with or without him. Nothing he did led to the deal.

Maybe, but just like the President of the USA, they get the credit if things are good and blame if things are bad.

[AddiFB]

Maybe when he puts trampolines in the circle on both sides of the court. Adding a 4 and 5 point line and requires each team to have 82 different uniforms.

It’s coming!

I had a good laugh at the trampoline hah. Then for free throws, they'd bring in a plank to put over the trampoline and the plank would have different sponsors. Like, a KitKat plank

[bkkrh]

The NBA has a lot of problems right now and does generally seem to be declining.

Just some of the things that have gone wrong under Silver's watch are: Declining TV ratings, fans not being able to watch games due to blackouts, gambling issues, the All Star Game turning into a joke, the players sitting out all the time, the 3-point shot spamming, the latest idea to shorten game times, the soccer style jerseys that they gave up on, the In-Season Tournament, Bronny James and the NBA dipping into politics

Obviously, some of these issues are bigger than others, but I think it's fair to say all of these things have hurt the NBA over the last few years. Some of these were preventable too. The NBA is really starting to get a rep of being uncool and that's going to be something that takes a long time to fix. I have to think at some point that people are going to start pointing fingers at Adam Silver and look to replace him if things keep up.

While I am not a fan of Silver, the majority of things you are accusing him of have absolutely nothing to do with him, or are things he couldn't have impacted in any form.

I am pretty sure he didn't tell the Lakers to draft Bronny, is instructing teams to shoot more 3 pointers and sit out players. And he should definitely not have the power to impact here in any way, because that would simply mean that the league is a dictatorship.

It's especially funny since David Stern was extremely unpopular and made a lot of more questionable decisions that had real negative impact on the league and it's popularity.

- 1994 shortening the 3 point line to increase scoring, which completely backfired
- 1998 NBA lockout that took 7 months, let to a shortened season without All Star weekend, rushed free agency, lot of injuries due to a packed schedule and fans losing interest in the NBA
- 2004 Malice in the Palace, which resulted in an enforced dress code, which had a clearly racist undertone and definitely wasn't productive from a marketing perspective, since until then there was a super clear connection between Basketball, youth and Hip Hop culture.
- 2007 Tim Donaghy betting scandal, where Stern immediatelly did his best to make it seem like an isolated situation and shut down all further investigations, while Donaghy stated multiple times that this involved top NBA executives as well.
- 2011 2nd lockout where Stern got a lot of blame for his statements and giving out ultimatums before negotiations even had started
- 2011 the Chris Paul trade debacle. Acting simultaneously as NBA Comissioner and owner of the Pelicans and blocked 2 trades that the actual Hornets GM had already agreed on.
- And of course not to forget, letting Donald Stern being the owner for an NBA team for more than 30 years, while apparently his antics and beliefs where shown pretty open towards Stern and other owners. Add on top of that a lot of scummy behaviour, horrible management of his team, unprofessionalism and so on, which at best was ignored by Stern, at worst most likely was handled similar to the Donaghy situation of keeping people silenced and under the rug. Now we can even go further and point out that the first time I really remember the NBA becoming "political" was exactly when the Clippers players took a stand against their owner and new Comissioner Adam Silver had to decide if his first big decision as NBA comissioner will be to support a racist team owner in a league with a majority of black players, or to take a clear stand against that. So from that perspective the seed for that was planted by Stern turning a blind eye on that situation for 3 decades.

Until now I don't see one single action from Silver that even comes close to any of these points. His worst "crime" until now being to make sport betting legal, which already is the case in a lot of countries for decades and implementing a tournament most people don't care about.

[Johnny Bball]

He just helped facilitate their biggest media rights deal ever. Bro's not going anywhere my man.

I question how much this took. This is like tanking. Any RGM dummy can tank a team. Anyone here could have "secured the biggest media rights deal", but its how much by/bigger that matters. And I would doubt he had much to do with it personally tbh (as in he has a team doing it).

[Johnny Bball]

When someone drives a stake through his heart

This is easier to do when he is sleeping upside down and hanging by his feet.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Well we all know the reason why people crap on the NBA. I just mainly hate the sitting out cause I always imagine some kid at his first game to see his favorite star player and having them sit when they are healthy. Feels weak.

I def agree, I'm just saying that NBA reacted accordingly (as this is a thread about Silver).

Usual suspects (Embiid, Kawhi) would lose plenty of accolades and money from the past within these new rules, players are complaining (that means it's legit) - what else can you do.

Unpopular opinion: NBA is pretty solid at addressing things that they can improve. Stars leaving 'original' teams in the free agency (Durant rule); super teams dominating (2nd apron); tanking going out of proportion (lottery change); stars sitting out casually (65-game rule); RS getting boring (play-in and in-season tournament); ASG being a mess (new ASG format).

It's not a perfect product, nothing is perfect, but you can't say they're not identifying and fixing (at least partially) problems. There's area that NBA can address, there's area that is out of control mostly (evolution of the game of basketball) - and there's area related to other parties (players, organizations).

Among these 3 groups of actors, I do believe NBA is doing the best job.

There's a fourth party: the media, in particular the TV Networks.
They are the ones giving the big money, but they are also the ones hurting the discourse around the product.

[SSUBluesman]

The NBA has a lot of problems right now and does generally seem to be declining.

Just some of the things that have gone wrong under Silver's watch are: Declining TV ratings, fans not being able to watch games due to blackouts, gambling issues, the All Star Game turning into a joke, the players sitting out all the time, the 3-point shot spamming, the latest idea to shorten game times, the soccer style jerseys that they gave up on, the In-Season Tournament, Bronny James and the NBA dipping into politics

Obviously, some of these issues are bigger than others, but I think it's fair to say all of these things have hurt the NBA over the last few years. Some of these were preventable too. The NBA is really starting to get a rep of being uncool and that's going to be something that takes a long time to fix. I have to think at some point that people are going to start pointing fingers at Adam Silver and look to replace him if things keep up.

All Star Game has always been a joke.

Players sitting out is mostly good (for players).

The 3-pt shot was broken since the moment it was patched into the game in the 1980 update (it just took teams a long time to understand the exploit). Not Silver's fault.

Shortening games isn't happening.

Soccer style jerseys weren't popular and the league was correct to ditch them.

The In-Season Tournament rocks.

Bronny James has nothing to do with Adam Silver.

The NBA is a predominantly Black league; if you expect them to stay silent on Black civil rights issues, you are daft.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with people wanting sports to just be sports without involving politics.

It's not a coincidence that the NBA has made a concerted effort to avoid getting political since the bubble.

Apparently there is if you don't want to partake in the national anthem or the hero worship of military veterans. And the MLB has everyone sing "God Bless America" where we get politics AND religion forced on us.

As far as the main topic goes he's got a ways to go to catch up to Bettman. Manfred is an interesting comparison as he was absolutely horrible, (the trash can thing is far worse than anything Silver has presided over) but the recent rule changes have improved the on field product quite a bit. I don't even know that such drastic changes are necessary by Silver as actually enforcing the rules would go a long way towards improving the game.

[druggas]

All Star Game has always been a joke.

Players sitting out is mostly good (for players).

The 3-pt shot was broken since the moment it was patched into the game in the 1980 update (it just took teams a long time to understand the exploit). Not Silver's fault.

Shortening games isn't happening.

Soccer style jerseys weren't popular and the league was correct to ditch them.

The In-Season Tournament rocks.

Bronny James has nothing to do with Adam Silver.

The NBA is a predominantly Black league; if you expect them to stay silent on Black civil rights issues, you are daft.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with people wanting sports to just be sports without involving politics.

It's not a coincidence that the NBA has made a concerted effort to avoid getting political since the bubble.

Apparently there is if you don't want to partake in the national anthem or the hero worship of military veterans. And the MLB has everyone sing "God Bless America" where we get politics AND religion forced on us.

As far as the main topic goes he's got a ways to go to catch up to Bettman. Manfred is an interesting comparison as he was absolutely horrible, (the trash can thing is far worse than anything Silver has presided over) but the recent rule changes have improved the on field product quite a bit. I don't even know that such drastic changes are necessary by Silver as actually enforcing the rules would go a long way towards improving the game.

No one is asking you to worship anyone, just remember that the military allows you to spew your rhetoric.