How many of Jokic’s assists are real?

[og15]

Assists have always been like this for everyone lol.

These are egregious examples, but most of his assists would not be like this, and yes, if you check enough assists highlights or video box score, you will find a good amount of these for everyone

The scorers are loosely interpreting this:

An assist is credited to the player tossing the last pass leading directly to a made field goal, but only if the player scoring the goal demonstrates an immediate reaction toward the basket after receiving the pass.

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/assist-pass-leads-directly-to-made-field-goal-pass-dribble-pull-up-jumper/

and this:

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/assist-pass-leads-directly-to-made-field-goal-pass-drive-to-basket-and-lay-up/

Here's the whole list of what is and isn't an assist:
https://videorulebook.nba.com/rule/table-stats/

[AleksandarN]

Good to know. Pretty nullifies yesterday's feat possibly, not officially though of course.

Nullifies? Ok sure

he had 22 total assists, so if there is even 2 more like that, then it nullifies the performance.

You can see all his assists really easily on the nba.com website here https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=AST&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=31800&GameID=0022400909&PlayerID=203999&RangeType=0&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612743&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game

hilariously, the first assist is ANOTHER one just like the one OP linked where Jokic makes a pass to Porter, Porter then dribbles the ball a few times before creating his OWN shot. So that's 2 now.

Edit - just found one more. Jokic gets the DReb, makes a long pass to Gordon up the court. Gordon then dribbles the ball into the other half of the court and takes a pull-up jumper which should NOT be a Jokic assist.

Yes, this does in fact seem very fake and Jokic should be DISCREDITED for last night

Again what’s the definition of an assists? Is it a score resulting in less than 3 dribbles if so Westbrook’s bucket is the only questionable one

[KokoKaizer]

What do LA fans think of assist numbers for Luka and LeBron?

They're all legit, of course

[7seventynine9]

Here's a video of all Scott Skiles 30 assists in a game. A large % of them are clearly assists, others involve some dribbling after the pass or even require the pass to be saved.

Watch on YouTube

[AleksandarN]

Ok look at this assist from Trae. The pass leading to a drive to the basket for an assist. Looks pretty similar to Murray’s bucket. This is coming from NBA themselves


https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/assist-pass-leads-directly-to-made-field-goal-pass-drive-to-basket-and-lay-up/#:~:text=An%20assist%20is%20credited%20to%20the%20player%20tossing%20the%20last,basket%20after%20receiving%20the%20pass.

[Big J]

He officially has the milestone, but this cheapens it. None of those are real assists, and if you've played the game you know. Doesn't mean he's not still great.

[AleksandarN]

He officially has the milestone, but this cheapens it. None of those are real assists, and if you've played the game you know. Doesn't mean he's not still great.

You’re hilarious how much hate you have. Trying to discredit him. Oh btw nba classified this dribble drive as an assists

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/assist-pass-leads-directly-to-made-field-goal-pass-drive-to-basket-and-lay-up/#:~:text=An%20assist%20is%20credited%20to%20the%20player%20tossing%20the%20last,basket%20after%20receiving%20the%20pass.

[Tor_Raps]

Assists have always been like this for everyone lol.

These are egregious examples, but most of his assists would not be like this, and yes, if you check enough assists highlights or video box score, you will find a good amount of these for everyone :lol:

The scorers are loosely interpreting this:

An assist is credited to the player tossing the last pass leading directly to a made field goal, but only if the player scoring the goal demonstrates an immediate reaction toward the basket after receiving the pass.

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/assist-pass-leads-directly-to-made-field-goal-pass-dribble-pull-up-jumper/

and this:

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/assist-pass-leads-directly-to-made-field-goal-pass-drive-to-basket-and-lay-up/

Here's the whole list of what is and isn't an assist:
https://videorulebook.nba.com/rule/table-stats/

That's exactly my point. Jokic just has a lot more opportunities than the average player but on the whole I'd expect nba games to be filled with stuff like this.

[Sharkboy242]

People learning for the first time ITT that assists are open to interpretation is hilarious. Generally if the bucket goes in after ~5 seconds of the pass then its considered an assist.

[og15]

Why the heck is the Pacers scorekeeper giving him assists on those?

If the Pacers scorekeeper gives Haliburton assists on those kinds of plays, how would he or she justify not giving them to Jokic?

Nullifies? Ok sure

he had 22 total assists, so if there is even 2 more like that, then it nullifies the performance.

You can see all his assists really easily on the nba.com website here https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=AST&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=31800&GameID=0022400909&PlayerID=203999&RangeType=0&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612743&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game

hilariously, the first assist is ANOTHER one just like the one OP linked where Jokic makes a pass to Porter, Porter then dribbles the ball a few times before creating his OWN shot. So that's 2 now.

Edit - just found one more. Jokic gets the DReb, makes a long pass to Gordon up the court. Gordon then dribbles the ball into the other half of the court and takes a pull-up jumper which should NOT be a Jokic assist.

Yes, this does in fact seem very fake and Jokic should be DISCREDITED for last night

Again what’s the definition of an assists? Is it a score resulting in less than 3 dribbles if so Westbrook’s bucket is the only questionable one

Check the post I made. The player who catches the ball has to make an immediate reaction towards the basket after receiving the pass.

Porter's is a great example to debate. He dribbled to "attack" immediately, but he did it away from the basket, so that might not count.

The Aaron Gordon one, I mean, sure he was just slowly dribbling up, but he did make an immediate move towards the basket and shot. Not an impressive assist by any means, it wasn't shot creation, but it can make it.

EDIT: Checking some of the other definition Videos, Gordon's likely should not make it.

Murray one, I'm not sure the issue there, classic DHO assist.

Next Porter one with the pumpfake, that I'm not sure, the pump fake might negate the immediate move towards the basket.

Westbrook does make an immediate move towards the basket, so that falls into how the rules are.

[Sharkboy242]

Why the heck is the Pacers scorekeeper giving him assists on those?

If the Pacers scorekeeper gives Haliburton assists on those kinds of plays, how would he or she justify not giving them to Jokic?

he had 22 total assists, so if there is even 2 more like that, then it nullifies the performance.

You can see all his assists really easily on the nba.com website here https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=AST&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=31800&GameID=0022400909&PlayerID=203999&RangeType=0&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612743&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game

hilariously, the first assist is ANOTHER one just like the one OP linked where Jokic makes a pass to Porter, Porter then dribbles the ball a few times before creating his OWN shot. So that's 2 now.

Edit - just found one more. Jokic gets the DReb, makes a long pass to Gordon up the court. Gordon then dribbles the ball into the other half of the court and takes a pull-up jumper which should NOT be a Jokic assist.

Yes, this does in fact seem very fake and Jokic should be DISCREDITED for last night

Again what’s the definition of an assists? Is it a score resulting in less than 3 dribbles if so Westbrook’s bucket is the only questionable one

Check the post I made. The player who catches the ball has to make an immediate reaction towards the basket after receiving the pass.

Porter's is great. He dribbled to "attack" immediately, but he did it away from the basket, so that might not count.

The Aaron Gordon one, I mean, sure he was just slowly dribbling up, but he did make an immediate move towards the basket and shot. Not an impressive assist by any means, it wasn't shot creation, but it can make it.

Murray one, I'm not sure the issue there, classic DHO assist.

Next Porter one with the pumpfake, that I'm not sure, the pump fake might negate the immediate move towards the basket.

Westbrook does make an immediate move towards the basket, so that falls into how the rules are.

I wouldn’t overthink it, its mostly time dependent

[og15]

People learning for the first time ITT that assists are open to interpretation is hilarious. Generally if the bucket goes in after ~5 seconds of the pass then its considered an assist.

It's not really about the time, it's the "immediate move towards the basket" that is up to a lot of interpretation. If the player catches, and pauses, most of them won't give an assist even if it is within 2 seconds.

Stuff like he did a spin move, all this stuff is not really mentioned and I don't believe matter.

[Sharkboy242]

People learning for the first time ITT that assists are open to interpretation is hilarious. Generally if the bucket goes in after ~5 seconds of the pass then its considered an assist.

It's not really about the time, it's the "immediate move towards the basket" that is up to a lot of interpretation. If the player catches, and pauses, most of them won't give an assist even if it is within 2 seconds.

Stuff like he did a spin move, all this stuff is not really mentioned and I don't believe matter.

I doubt you can find a 2 seconds example. Im extremely skeptical of that claim.

[Alatan]

I hate how NBA scoreceepers decide what an assist is, but singling out Jokic for this is super petty.

[lakerz12]

What’s the definition of an assists. A pass leading to a score under 3 dribbles right? Only westbrooks assist then is in question. So let’s say 21 assists

Where did you get this definition?

The real definition is:

“An assist is credited to the player tossing the last pass leading directly to a made field goal, but only if the player scoring the goal demonstrates an immediate reaction toward the basket after receiving the pass.”

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/assist-pass-leads-directly-to-made-field-goal-pass-drive-to-basket-and-lay-up/#:~:text=An%20assist%20is%20credited%20to%20the%20player%20tossing%20the%20last,directly%20to%20a%20field%20goal.

There are other versions of this definition but they essentially say the same thing.

If a player catches the ball and creates a shot himself, that’s not an assist.

It has to be an immediate reaction toward the basket. The pass has to be at least semi-responsible for the basket.

In the video you have guys creating their own shot off the dribble = not an assist.

[TheNG]

His points are not real either

[JayMKE]

didn’t Memphis scorekeeper home cook emcouple years ago? Seems very variable

[og15]

People learning for the first time ITT that assists are open to interpretation is hilarious. Generally if the bucket goes in after ~5 seconds of the pass then its considered an assist.

It's not really about the time, it's the "immediate move towards the basket" that is up to a lot of interpretation. If the player catches, and pauses, most of them won't give an assist even if it is within 2 seconds.

Stuff like he did a spin move, all this stuff is not really mentioned and I don't believe matter.

I doubt you can find a 2 seconds example. Im extremely skeptical of that claim.

These are a few where assists were not given:

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/no-assist-pass-does-not-lead-directly-to-made-field-goal-pass-and-jump-shot-2/

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/no-assist-pass-does-not-lead-directly-to-made-field-goal-pass-and-jump-shot/

Both the players hold the ball for around 2 seconds then shoot, no assist credited because no "immediate move to the basket" was made.

Now, don't get me wrong, of course some can slip through, but generally I don't see those ones in assist highlights, but I see many of the others.


This one here:
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/no-assist-pass-does-not-lead-directly-to-made-field-goal-transition-play/

and here

https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/no-assist-pass-does-not-lead-directly-to-made-field-goal-transition-play-pass-jump-shot/

Those one make the Aaron Gordon one pretty questionable.

Anyways, the general point stands that the interpretation is loose, and that some that don't even meet the loose interpretation do make it through here and there.

[NyKnicks1714]

didn’t Memphis scorekeeper home cook emcouple years ago? Seems very variable

That was debunked. And re: phantom assists, this happens with everyone.

[dockingsched]

Awarding assists like this is probably one of the easiest ways someone could influence the stats for gambling purposes