Have podcasts ruined your opinions of some players

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Re: Have podcasts ruined your opinions of some players 

Post#21 » by lambchop » Mon Apr 7, 2025 11:13 am

GrindCityHustle wrote:now you have dudes like Jeff Teague acting hard wanting their flowers. It's just gotten kind of lame.



Teague is easily one of the most unique NBA podcast personalities. He always tells every single story in intricate detail and there will be video footage to back it up too. In addition, he is very self-deprecating while being hilarious at the same time. I don't understand why you think he's mainly out here looking for praise.

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Re: Have podcasts ruined your opinions of some players 

Post#22 » by Anderson Hunt » Mon Apr 7, 2025 11:26 am

I respect a man's talent to play basketball well. After that, I couldn't care less.

Dwayne Wade goes on television and talks about/promotes men carrying purses and painting their nails (two things I'm strongly against), but it doesn't change the fact for me that he was every bit as good as Kobe Bryant on the basketball court.

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Re: Have podcasts ruined your opinions of some players 

Post#23 » by Mallie » Mon Apr 7, 2025 11:34 am

Well it's all fairly simple - boils down to target audience and to whom something is catered.

I'd go out on a limb and say that people on these boards are squarly outside of the target range for most podcast, much less TV shows. As someone mentioned earlier ITT, we all either now, or can google in seconds someone's shooting splits or defensive rating. So all that is left is either really deep dive analysis (which is not conducive to mainstrem TV) or personal opinions. And personal opinions generate more engagement the more they're egregious and out there. Hence, the hot take culture.

Basically, only way to make a basketball related podcast captivating is to make it deeply detailed and analytic (for us basketball nerds) or to be as candid as possible. The latter won't happen since it's all about not messing the bag for the next man down the line and to maintain relationships, while the former is really niche and won't have that much of an audience to begin with.

Saying that about candidness, there isn't really much left to talk about. Someone said it here, too - another story about a guy who worked hard, showed off in the right moment, had his welcome to the league moment, grueling travel schedule, few censored tidbits about some funny encounter or an anecdote, yes, blessed with this opportunity, yadda yadda yadda. It's hard to sit through one, much less dozens each week.

There ARE some interesting analytic podcasts out there, but we'll limit it only to "former players' podcasts". Basically, there are none. The JJ/LeBron podcast was interesting, but it doesn't delve deep enough, which is understandable since 95+ percent of the audience wouldn't get it, while it's also not all that smart to go so deep as to reveal your plans live on video (usually at least the guest is still an active player/coach).

All that is left, then, is to be at least engaing and fun. It's kinda harsh, but - if you cannot teach me anything or shed light on something I was wondering about for years, then at least entertain me. Teague excels on that account and that's what separates him from the pack. That, plus the fact that he actually DOES follow the game and understands it, but I doubt he'll go deeper into it on camera since it's not that type of podcast and he seems to have some coaching ambitions. Goes without saying that it's all enjoyable and manageable for an hou or so once a week. Not if bombarded with daily multiple hour uploads.

PS - don't get the Inside the NBA hate. I mean, sure, it hugely contributed to dumbing down of sports media and it's probably ran its' course years ago, but if you tune in to watch prime time mainstream sports show - you don't expect Xs and Os and pensive takes. You tune in to hear Chuck talking about them big ol' women down in SA, eating churros double handed and getting bracelets in the steam room. You don't tune in to see Two and a Half Men, watch it, and then go "Well, that wasn't Tarkovskiy, I'll tell you that".
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Re: Have podcasts ruined your opinions of some players 

Post#24 » by GrindCityHustle » Mon Apr 7, 2025 12:17 pm

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It's just normal though that it just gets boring after a while, especially if you watch multiple ones. In the end it comes down to listening to a few Millionaires telling you about how they travelled all year through the country and played basketball. Some banged a lot of chicks, some gambled, some partied, some were constantly drunk/high. It's like hanging out with some old friends and talking about back in the days, kinda fun to do it sporadically, but it gets on your nerve when you are arount somebody that talks about nothing else.

The thing with Basketball or sports media in general is that the Internet has kind of made them unneccessary. I can look up pretty much every data and statistic myself. So I don't need some NBA media guy telling me that player A shoots bellow league average in the post and so on. On the other side it makes NBA media people even look lazier and more uneducated when they bring a hot take that can be debunked within 10 seconds through google and it looks even worse if they don't get called out for it, since the other cast participants don't know better either.

So then it's basically a podcast where a few people talk about a topic they either don't have much knowledge about, are biased, or have a flawed opinion. Yes they might have played a few years in the league, but it doesn't automatically mean that they understand the business or what's currently going on in the league. I guess everybody that has worked in a few jobs and companies has met dozens of employees that were absolutely clueless about their job, had zero understanding how their company worked, or why certain decisions were made and in a lot of cases those same people thought of themselves as awesome employees and top performers.


Yeah this is pretty much at was I was trying to get at. You summed up my issues.
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Re: Have podcasts ruined your opinions of some players 

Post#25 » by cupcakesnake » Mon Apr 7, 2025 1:30 pm

I don't listen to any player pods.
I do see clips on instagram and tiktok and I enjoy them in that format. Jeff Teague is extremely funny with his stories. KG is pretty hilarious with his unhinged hyperactive rants. I like how both those guys are humble in very different ways. KG gives today's players their flowers pretty often, and even convinces a drunk/stoned Paul Pierce that they wouldn't be good enough to play in today's NBA. Teague loves to tell stories of times he got clowned. It's entertaining.

The other guys feel more like rage-bait content. I can only take so many clips of Rashad McCants and Brandon Jennings trying to convince us they were great NBA players, or Kenyon Martin claiming he locked everyone up. I watched those guys play, I don't need a never ending story of how they wished they played. I cant' imagine someone willingly tuning in for Shaq on a podcast.
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Re: Have podcasts ruined your opinions of some players 

Post#26 » by og15 » Mon Apr 7, 2025 1:36 pm

sashaturiaf wrote:It's total overkill. The NBA isn't interesting enough to justify the volume of podcasts at the rate these players are pumping them out at.

I think there's a place for player podcasts. Podcast P is pretty interesting when there's a good guest on since PG is a gracious and inquisitive host. But you couldn't pay me to listen to most NBA player podcasts

Many, many things with podcasts aren't interesting enough to have the amount of podcasts there are about them. The secret is that you don't have to watch all of them. If you just watch one, or watch here and there, you're not feeling any over saturation.

You would only feel that if you felt some need to keep up with everything, but that would be on you.
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Re: Have podcasts ruined your opinions of some players 

Post#27 » by sashaturiaf » Mon Apr 7, 2025 2:54 pm

og15 wrote:
sashaturiaf wrote:It's total overkill. The NBA isn't interesting enough to justify the volume of podcasts at the rate these players are pumping them out at.

I think there's a place for player podcasts. Podcast P is pretty interesting when there's a good guest on since PG is a gracious and inquisitive host. But you couldn't pay me to listen to most NBA player podcasts

Many, many things with podcasts aren't interesting enough to have the amount of podcasts there are about them. The secret is that you don't have to watch all of them. If you just watch one, or watch here and there, you're not feeling any over saturation.

You would only feel that if you felt some need to keep up with everything, but that would be on you.


No

For the likes of Draymond, one podcast is still one podcast too many.
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Re: Have podcasts ruined your opinions of some players 

Post#28 » by og15 » Mon Apr 7, 2025 3:36 pm

sashaturiaf wrote:
og15 wrote:
sashaturiaf wrote:It's total overkill. The NBA isn't interesting enough to justify the volume of podcasts at the rate these players are pumping them out at.

I think there's a place for player podcasts. Podcast P is pretty interesting when there's a good guest on since PG is a gracious and inquisitive host. But you couldn't pay me to listen to most NBA player podcasts

Many, many things with podcasts aren't interesting enough to have the amount of podcasts there are about them. The secret is that you don't have to watch all of them. If you just watch one, or watch here and there, you're not feeling any over saturation.

You would only feel that if you felt some need to keep up with everything, but that would be on you.


No

For the likes of Draymond, one podcast is still one podcast too many.

I have not actually watched or listened to a Draymond podcast, so that's probably why I am not bothered

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