What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide?

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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#21 » by MrPainfulTruth » Tue May 27, 2025 8:56 pm

Deathray wrote:It's like when a child hides behind something really small so they're not really hidden. He makes a look pass then tries to act like it's a no look pass.

Not quite Jason Williams level flash.

I think thats a big part of it. He desperately wants to be admired and the leader of a winning team. The entire showboating act screams "look at me". The one thing i like about SGA is that he does his job and doesnt make a big deal about it. The screaming, chest pounding and super complex hand signs are so over the top for me.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#22 » by Doctor MJ » Tue May 27, 2025 8:57 pm

CptCrunch wrote:1 of 3 or 4 times, the defender is confused for a fraction of a second. This is clearly a positive unless this messes up his pass quality.


And let's note that confusing the defense with passing is something all top tier passers do. If you're never trying to manipulate the defense to lead to easier passes and shots, you're a B list floor general compared to the very best. Simple as that.

Doesn't mean that Jason Williams was an A lister of course, because you have to know when to make what decision and those who overreach turn the ball over, leading to poor offense, but the very best manipulate the defense, use creative passes, pass to the right man, and have exceptionally high efficiency in their passing attempts.

And yeah, Hali is someone we should be seriously thinking about in comparison to the best in the league when he's at his best.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#23 » by og15 » Tue May 27, 2025 8:58 pm

The function is fun, nothing wrong with simply the function of fun
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#24 » by Doctor MJ » Tue May 27, 2025 9:00 pm

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Deathray wrote:It's like when a child hides behind something really small so they're not really hidden. He makes a look pass then tries to act like it's a no look pass.

Not quite Jason Williams level flash.

I think thats a big part of it. He desperately wants to be admired and the leader of a winning team. The entire showboating act screams "look at me". The one thing i like about SGA is that he does his job and doesnt make a big deal about it. The screaming, chest pounding and super complex hand signs are so over the top for me.


Though I'd say: I don't think SGA is as good of a passer as Hali - just as he's not up there with LeBron, or Jokic, or Luka. Shai's getting the MVP for being the most effective perimeter scorer in the league by a wide margin, a key contributor to the best defense in the league, and a good enough passer.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#25 » by MrPainfulTruth » Tue May 27, 2025 9:03 pm

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MrPainfulTruth wrote:
Deathray wrote:It's like when a child hides behind something really small so they're not really hidden. He makes a look pass then tries to act like it's a no look pass.

Not quite Jason Williams level flash.

I think thats a big part of it. He desperately wants to be admired and the leader of a winning team. The entire showboating act screams "look at me". The one thing i like about SGA is that he does his job and doesnt make a big deal about it. The screaming, chest pounding and super complex hand signs are so over the top for me.


Though I'd say: I don't think SGA is as good of a passer as Hali - just as he's not up there with LeBron, or Jokic, or Luka. Shai's getting the MVP for being the most effective perimeter scorer in the league by a wide margin, a key contributor to the best defense in the league, and a good enough passer.

I wasnt referring to SGA's passing that so far hasnt been noteworthy. But he goes about his business professionally and for me personally its more the kind of player i like watching. Give me Jokic, Kawhi, Timmy over the showboaters and frontrunners every day
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#26 » by Domejandro » Tue May 27, 2025 9:05 pm

Only problem with it is them being branded as no-look passes when most of them clearly are not. Otherwise, it adds style and in some cases can throw off defenders, to a minor degree.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#27 » by threethehardway » Tue May 27, 2025 10:12 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:I would disagree.

Hali clearly is probably more known for jump passes than anyone since Nash, and when you do that you're making use of a) creative angles and b) super-fast mental processing of the court.

Re: low risk, throwing the ball ahead. I would call that a contradiction in terms. The reason why teams were so averse to really taking advantage of the fast break in Stockton's era is because it takes a great amount of skill to run transition without high turnovers, and so most of Stockton's focus was in getting the ball into the front court, and then giving the ball to Malone so Malone could make something happen.


I wouldn't jump passing flashy.

Flashy is Magic Johnson going 100 miles per hour of the rebound, splitting 2 defenders and then whipping it behind his head for an layup.

It's Steve Nash going around the baseline, keeping his dribble alive until the last moment and then throwing a bounce pass between the defender's legs for a dunk.

Haliburton is doing no look passes on a 3 on 2 break with his man wide open.

He's only passing ahead when his guy open.

He's making safe plays but putting sauce on it for entertainment value. The sauce has no function other than it looks cool. If your guy is open streaking the down court, you don't have to no look it.

Compare someone like Ja Morant, who makes the occasional flashy pass. He's in the teeth of a defense, collapsed paint, surrounded by 3 guys and he finds an odd angle by whipping it behind his back to a corner shooter.

There's only one way to get that pass off. That's a flashy pass for a purpose.

Haliburton is a smart and entertaining player that processes the game well and his guys running at all times to take advantage of that but his flash doesn't have utility. He could make the same passes 85 percent of the time without all of the extra.

When I think of flashy passers like Jokic or Magic or Bird, those passes cannot be made without flash. It's how the hell did you see that.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#28 » by MrPainfulTruth » Tue May 27, 2025 10:20 pm

What irritates me a bit is that often times, the actual work has been done by cutters who faked themselves open and should get the views and applause, but Haliburton tries to "steal" the attention with his fake no-look. I dont like the unneccessarily complicated plays just for showboating purposes. Theres another player who does that all the time for attention. And then there's Steph who tries it and usually produces a turnover :lol:
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#29 » by threethehardway » Tue May 27, 2025 10:27 pm

MrPainfulTruth wrote:What irritates me a bit is that often times, the actual work has been done by cutters who faked themselves open and should get the views and applause, but Haliburton tries to "steal" the attention with his fake no-look. I dont like the unneccessarily complicated plays just for showboating purposes. Theres another player who does that all the time for attention. And then there's Steph who tries it and usually produces a turnover :lol:


I always thought fastbreak fake no look with an open man was stupid, I am thinking, "Who are you looking off and what for?"

I remember Prime Steph's crappy behind the back passes in the half-court he would do casually for no reason. He was doing it to look nonchalant, half the time they would go in the stands because his guys weren't expecting it.

At least Haliburton does his flashy passes in safe situations that he can't mess up. All flash, no risk. :lol:
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Post#30 » by The4thHorseman » Tue May 27, 2025 10:29 pm

This series with the Knicks one of his no look attempts ended up an easy unforced TO for NY.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#31 » by MrPainfulTruth » Tue May 27, 2025 10:38 pm

threethehardway wrote:
MrPainfulTruth wrote:What irritates me a bit is that often times, the actual work has been done by cutters who faked themselves open and should get the views and applause, but Haliburton tries to "steal" the attention with his fake no-look. I dont like the unneccessarily complicated plays just for showboating purposes. Theres another player who does that all the time for attention. And then there's Steph who tries it and usually produces a turnover :lol:


I always thought fastbreak fake no look with an open man was stupid, I am thinking, "Who are you looking off and what for?"

I remember Prime Steph's crappy behind the back passes in the half-court he would do casually for no reason. He was doing it to look nonchalant, half the time they would go in the stands because his guys weren't expecting it.

At least Haliburton does his flashy passes in safe situations that he can't mess up. All flash, no risk. :lol:

I have a memory of Steph trying those passes in the crucial games of the 2016 finals. Like, zero feel for what the situation asked for. Best shooter of all time but very, very limited as a playmaker.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#32 » by SkyBill40 » Tue May 27, 2025 11:01 pm

Nothing more than flash for the sake of fun. That's it.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#33 » by shotsquatch » Tue May 27, 2025 11:04 pm

Function? It keeps my eyes on the TV when the Pacers are playing, that's the function.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#34 » by scrabbarista » Tue May 27, 2025 11:20 pm

It's an intimidation/humiliation tactic. Because the other team will feel like, "This guy is just a silly willy, but he's beating us, so what are we?"

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Curry's dances and jiggle-wiggles would be a point of comparison, but Curry's quirks are even more intimidating/humiliating due to his higher level of silly-willyness.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#35 » by HotelVitale » Tue May 27, 2025 11:37 pm

MrPainfulTruth wrote:I think thats a big part of it. He desperately wants to be admired and the leader of a winning team. The entire showboating act screams "look at me". The one thing i like about SGA is that he does his job and doesnt make a big deal about it. The screaming, chest pounding and super complex hand signs are so over the top for me.


I think these specific passes are kind of corny, but it feels lame to start making judgments about the way a dude wants to carry himself while competing. He clearly works really hard and plays really hard, and all of these dudes are pretty psychotic competitors.

In movies when 'showboats' appear, you're supposed to hate them because they're bullies or hypocrites or aren't respecting the game or something like that. The guys that are hard-working and care about the thing at hand, but also do a little bit of extra celebrating? They're usually the side characters everyone loves. If you hate them, you might be the grump character who learns to cheer up, do the limbo, and hit on the hot chick in the last couple scenes of the movie.
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#36 » by Karate Diop » Wed May 28, 2025 1:21 am

I feel like he mainly does it to rile up the haters like in this thread...
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Post#37 » by RoteSchroder » Wed May 28, 2025 2:50 am

as adults we may think it's lame, but any type of flash would be entertaining for little kids who don't understand basketball
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Post#38 » by Sedale Threatt » Wed May 28, 2025 3:11 am

Whatever you do, never watch a Magic Johnson reel. If you think Haliburton is annoying, he will downright infuriate you. Because who wants to be entertained while watching professional basketball?
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#39 » by Lalouie » Wed May 28, 2025 3:21 am

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Seriously, why does he spin around after his passes like this? What benefit is this providing outside of just making a normal pass in these situations? Spin passes only really make sense in significant traffic or being defended by multiple players and needing to pass in a tight spot. Looks like Halib just makes a simple pass to an open man, then spins after for nothing more than “style” (using that term loosely).


IN NBA PARLANCE.....these are erroneously called "no-look passes" by the people at the mic, from doris burke all the way down to e,v.e.r.y. s.i.n.g.l.e announcer, and no one has correctly said "hey you guys these are LOOK AWAY PASSES not no-look passes"

and you are right - they serve no purpose and they are not fooling anyone, except maybeeee the announcers!
the result is every player now does this

somebody better go look at some larry bird clips to see what a no-look pass looks like
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Re: What actual function does Haliburton passing like this provide? 

Post#40 » by Raps in 4 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:23 am

OP must be so mad right now.

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