Best Rebounder At Every Position

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Re: Best Rebounder At Every Position 

Post#21 » by Doctor MJ » Fri Oct 3, 2025 6:02 pm

Bad Bart wrote:How is Russ not number 1 at point guard? Is there something I'm missing?


So when you look at my lists you'll see he is #1 among point guards of the PBP era by offensive rebounding impact, but nowhere to be found by defense despite the fact that most of his boards were on defense.

You'll also note that former teammate Steven Adams tops offensive rebounding for centers, and I'll make clear that Adams tops both all players in offensive rebounding and overall rebounding by best 4-year sample peaks... but this isn't happening while Westbrook was his teammate.

So basically, Westbrook's defensive rebounds shouldn't be seen as evidence for rebounding impact, but rather fast-break starting impact. His teammates - like Adams - could have gotten those boards, but they were instructed to allow Westbrook to get them instead.

By contrast on offense where crashing the boards is how you have offensive rebounding impact, Westbrook has legit impact going and getting boards that would have otherwise ended up in the hands of the defense some fraction of the time (while forcing his teammates to play 4 on 5 on defense when he goes for the rebound and doesn't get it).

None of this necessarily means Westbrook isn't the best point guard rebounder of the era or in history, only that the defensive boards he get tend to make us drastically overrate his rebounding impact generally, because these were mostly not about getting boards instead of opponents, but getting them instead of teammates.
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Re: Best Rebounder At Every Position 

Post#22 » by MarcusBrody » Fri Oct 3, 2025 6:46 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:So I'll answer by pointing to Play-by-Play based data - which only takes us back to '96-97, and thus isn't meant as an all-time answer.

Based on the studies done by nbarapm, here are the top 4-year study peaks by offense & defense respectively and split by consensus position designation in the span:

Offensive Rebounding:
C - Steven Adams
PF - Zach Randolph
SF - Al-Farouq Aminu
SG - Tony Allen
PG - Russell Westbrook

Defensive Rebounding:
C - Nikola Jokic
PF - Kevin Love
SF - Kawhi Leonard
SG - Vince Carter
PG - Chris Paul

Note that stats aside I distinguish between offensive & defensive rebounding as in practice two distinct skillsets. There's overlap to be sure, but generally offensive rebounding impact is about board-crashing whereas defensive rebounding impact is about team paint control. Hence why, despite the fact most of Westbrook's rebounds ere defensive, that's not where his rebounding impact was. Rather, the justification for Westbrook getting defensive rebounds - presuming there is one other than stat-padding - was about getting the ball immediately in the hands of the floor general so he could develop the break.


This is a great post despite the time frame limitations. Thanks.
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Re: Best Rebounder At Every Position 

Post#23 » by mdonnelly1989 » Fri Oct 3, 2025 8:02 pm

:o
knicksfan974 wrote:Josh Hart has to be in there. Dude is at most 6'4 and still was able to average 9.6rpg on 77 regular season games played last year.
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Re: Best Rebounder At Every Position 

Post#24 » by Infinite Llamas » Fri Oct 3, 2025 8:12 pm

Stan wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:Bob Sura turned into Oscar on the glass when he was traded to the Hawks

That's literally one of the craziest stats I've ever seen. He was a career 3 rpg player who jumped to over 8 a game when he joined Hawks, including 2.5 offensive rebounds a game. In the previous 2.5 years he failed to crack double digit rebounds a single time, after joining the Hawks he proceeded to do so 11 times in 27 games.


Sura and Chris Crawford won my fantasy team a championship that year lol
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Re: Best Rebounder At Every Position 

Post#25 » by hagredionis » Sat Oct 4, 2025 2:40 am

The best rebounder PGs are Oscar and Luka followed by Magic and Westbrook.
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Re: Best Rebounder At Every Position 

Post#26 » by Crymson » Sat Oct 4, 2025 3:08 am

Optms wrote:They aren't. Big Ben averaged 15 for an entire season so he deserves a mention. But other actual dominant rebounders like Dwight, Shaq, Kareem, Moses, Drummond, Russell, etc. All deserve mentions over Jokic. Probably forgetting several other guys as well.


Speaking as a Pistons fan, Drummond does not deserve inclusion on that list. His numbers are exceptionally inflated, and the actual return on those rebounds on both ends was poor.

It's also worth noting that in most of his seasons with the Pistons, his team was better at defensive rebounding with him off the floor.
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Re: Best Rebounder At Every Position 

Post#27 » by JimmyPlopper » Sat Oct 4, 2025 3:47 am

Josh Howard was an underrated rebounder for his size
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Re: Best Rebounder At Every Position 

Post#28 » by JimmyPlopper » Sat Oct 4, 2025 3:50 am

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