How long do the Spurs roll with Fox?

[CIN-C-STAR]

At least one season but I predict two

[crows2]

I’m fine with them rolling with 3 guard lineups but Vassell/Johnson/Barnes isn’t going to cut it rebounding and defensively with that lineup. Can Sochan be that guy at the 4 in that unit? Possibly but he had to improve his shooting.

A big that can rebound and shoot would be awesome in that spot. Big reason why I’m dumbfounded Spurs didn’t target a guy like John Collins in offseason.

Their hope would be that Carter Bryant becomes that guy. I (and I think they) would have doubts about Sochan.

[DwayneSchintzus]

i suspect Fox's efficiency could go up playing with Wemby vs. playing with Sabonis.

evaluating him as a fixed set of numbers, especially after what we saw Weds night from Wemby, is probably ignoring the difference between playing with Sabonis and playing with a basketball DEATH STAR.

[badpotato]

It’s not a given for me that Harper and Castle are the only possible backcourt of the future.
Fox is 27–28 this season and can still fit within Victor’s timeline.
What will decide it is the combination of who can reach the level of being a consistent 3PT threat at a 36–38% clip, and who contributes the most outside of that.
Fox is in the mix right now - only time will tell how it shapes up, but we won’t be able to afford all three of them in the long run.

[louc1970]

Ideally, I think you could trade Fox for a bigger upgrade in the forward position, but I don't know how many teams will be interested in giving away solid role players for a guy who is just starting a big extension that lasts until 2030.

That is the issue with the Spurs as they move forward.

It is Wemby and 4 guys in the 6'6 and under league. Barnes at 6'8" will do his best but SAS needs some PF/SF Size.

[Marvin Martian]

Fox is untradeable. The Spurs will have to give up assets if they want to offload him early. No one wants a 6'2 mediocre guard on a max deal

[BrianInPhilly]

Ideally, I think you could trade Fox for a bigger upgrade in the forward position, but I don't know how many teams will be interested in giving away solid role players for a guy who is just starting a big extension that lasts until 2030.

That is the issue with the Spurs as they move forward.

It is Wemby and 4 guys in the 6'6 and under league. Barnes at 6'8" will do his best but SAS needs some PF/SF Size.

What’s embarrassing imo is anyone who watched the Spurs last season knows this was a glaring weakness last season too & despite a plethora of assets they didn’t address it really this offseason. At least not in the right way … outside of Wemby, their rebounding isn’t good & you need some rebounders along a shot blocker to maximize your defense

[louc1970]

Ideally, I think you could trade Fox for a bigger upgrade in the forward position, but I don't know how many teams will be interested in giving away solid role players for a guy who is just starting a big extension that lasts until 2030.

That is the issue with the Spurs as they move forward.

It is Wemby and 4 guys in the 6'6 and under league. Barnes at 6'8" will do his best but SAS needs some PF/SF Size.

What’s embarrassing imo is anyone who watched the Spurs last season knows this was a glaring weakness last season too & despite a plethora of assets they didn’t address it really this offseason. At least not in the right way … outside of Wemby, their rebounding isn’t good & you need some rebounders along a shot blocker to maximize your defense

I would like to see if a trade could be made of Johnson or Olynyk for someone "like" Jonathan Isaac. Magic have plenty of size at the PF/C spot.

[jmo21]

2 candidate teams could be Orlando and Houston.

Both desperately need a PG, but not sure what they might give up for him (even if they wanted him) that would make it worthwhile for the Spurs.

Could Minnesota be a candidate? Conley (finally!) aging out, they are starting Di Vincenzo at the moment. Does Fox take the ball away from Edwards too much? Would could Spurs get back?

Fox just makes way too much, and ultimately I think will look like a giant mistake for the Spurs, both trading for him and extending him (although these 2 decisions were effectively a package deal).

[peZt]

With Wemby they are in a win now mode more than in a build slowly mode. Wemby is that good already and there is no guarantee he will be healthy in 10 years from now. So you gotta make moves sooner than later. And for that reason I'd argue that Harper is less likely to be a Spurs player 2 years from now than Fox, unless he can prove until the trade deadline that he is capable of being a better player than Fox in 2-3 years time

They need proven players ideally with playoff experience to surround with Wemby for the next 5-6 years. Fox is just that. They'll wait towards the end of the year to see how Harper develops, how Fox fits with Wemby and how the best combination of guards is but I'd guess they are more likely to package Harper and picks for a star wing/pf than Fox.

[prime1time]

I think they roll with him for a while unless things get terrible. Neither Castle or Harper are ready to run a playoff caliber team. The real question is do they add a wing. I think they do. I think they should trade for Khris Middleton. He's healthy this year. Can still create his own shot. And can space the floor. Plays smart. And has playoff experience. Massive upgrade over Champagnie. This Spurs team is closer than people think. But they need to upgrade their wings.

[Rust_Cohle]

I think they roll with him for a while unless things get terrible. Neither Castle or Harper are ready to run a playoff caliber team. The real question is do they add a wing. I think they do. I think they should trade for Khris Middleton. He's healthy this year. Can still create his own shot. And can space the floor. Plays smart. And has playoff experience. Massive upgrade over Champagnie. This Spurs team is closer than people think. But they need to upgrade their wings.

I think Harper will be by season’s end, but fox will be a great addition. The amount of FT’s fox/Harper/castle will generate is gonna be filthy

[Rust_Cohle]

2 candidate teams could be Orlando and Houston.

Both desperately need a PG, but not sure what they might give up for him (even if they wanted him) that would make it worthwhile for the Spurs.

Could Minnesota be a candidate? Conley (finally!) aging out, they are starting Di Vincenzo at the moment. Does Fox take the ball away from Edwards too much? Would could Spurs get back?

Fox just makes way too much, and ultimately I think will look like a giant mistake for the Spurs, both trading for him and extending him (although these 2 decisions were effectively a package deal).

They gave up very little for him will be far from a huge mistake

[Marvin Martian]

2 candidate teams could be Orlando and Houston.

Both desperately need a PG, but not sure what they might give up for him (even if they wanted him) that would make it worthwhile for the Spurs.

Could Minnesota be a candidate? Conley (finally!) aging out, they are starting Di Vincenzo at the moment. Does Fox take the ball away from Edwards too much? Would could Spurs get back?

Fox just makes way too much, and ultimately I think will look like a giant mistake for the Spurs, both trading for him and extending him (although these 2 decisions were effectively a package deal).

They gave up very little for him will be far from a huge mistake

It's not about what they gave up; it's the opportunity cost of not being in the sweepstakes for a better player in the future

[Cavsfansince84]

With Wemby they are in a win now mode more than in a build slowly mode. Wemby is that good already and there is no guarantee he will be healthy in 10 years from now. So you gotta make moves sooner than later. And for that reason I'd argue that Harper is less likely to be a Spurs player 2 years from now than Fox, unless he can prove until the trade deadline that he is capable of being a better player than Fox in 2-3 years time

They need proven players ideally with playoff experience to surround with Wemby for the next 5-6 years. Fox is just that. They'll wait towards the end of the year to see how Harper develops, how Fox fits with Wemby and how the best combination of guards is but I'd guess they are more likely to package Harper and picks for a star wing/pf than Fox.

I sort of agree except 'win now' often leads to taking on horrible contracts which can cripple a team in the long term. I think SA needs to be somewhat careful even if Wemby is already a top 5 player(which is likely). I don't think his mindset is they need to contend by next year. I think they can take it sort of slow.

[shrink]

2 candidate teams could be Orlando and Houston.

Both desperately need a PG, but not sure what they might give up for him (even if they wanted him) that would make it worthwhile for the Spurs.

Could Minnesota be a candidate? Conley (finally!) aging out, they are starting Di Vincenzo at the moment. Does Fox take the ball away from Edwards too much? Would could Spurs get back?

Fox just makes way too much, and ultimately I think will look like a giant mistake for the Spurs, both trading for him and extending him (although these 2 decisions were effectively a package deal).

Speaking for Minnesota, I don’t see it.

While they desperately need a PG, they would be giving up too much talent just to match salary. Plus, they didn’t get off their KAT’s max deal just so they could replace it with three years of a Fox.

[Ballings7]

2-3 seasons (with Fox).

Spurs still need to establish the PF and SF spots.. but I see Sochan/Vassell being main pieces in the future to upgrade there; unless Sochan makes a good leap.

Carter Bryant in a year or two should be the starting SF as a utility two-way wing, who can play small ball 4. Barring some direct move to bring in a sure-fire bigger wing. Right now all the other wings/bigger guards who are seeing that time at SF, are not really the answer to take those reins due to different, various flaws.

[ball_takes23]

They need proven players ideally with playoff experience to surround with Wemby for the next 5-6 years. Fox is just that. They'll wait towards the end of the year to see how Harper develops, how Fox fits with Wemby and how the best combination of guards is but I'd guess they are more likely to package Harper and picks for a star wing/pf than Fox.

Fox has played in 1 playoff series in his entire career and has zero playoff series victories. His game is much more suited to the regular season where he can use his speed and pace than it is for the playoffs. If i needed a vet pg to lead my inexperienced team through a playoff run he would be towards the bottom of my list.

[Rainwater]

At Some point Harper will have to start this season, they really didn't need to sign Fox to such a deal with Harper there.

[Exp0sed]

At Some point Harper will have to start this season, they really didn't need to sign Fox to such a deal with Harper there.

Yeah, i liked the Fox trade for them in real time but honestly Castle and Harper are just a much better fit and both will be better than Fox pretty soon..

They really don't need him and that extention might turn out to be a mistake

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