Phil Jackson says his strained relationship with Melo is what forced him out of NY

[tsherkin]

- PJax's philosophy and style of play (triangle offense) were outdated for modern NBA
- Melo is simply a f*ckin fat overrated loser.

You can't win under these conditions.

Teams today still run elements of the triangle. It's just a motion offense meant to create open shots by reading the defense. It's like saying "spacing is outdated in modern basketball". It will never be outdated. The shots that are taken in the offense will change but it can still work with the right personnel. It does require a certain level of IQ for all 5 players to make the same reads and make the correct cuts, but Melo was never known for his IQ.

I always think back to Pau Gasol's first game as a Laker. The chemistry in his very first game with Kobe, in the middle of the season, was immediately apparent. No training camp, no preseason, no film study, just threw on a Laker jersey and immediately fit perfectly. When they asked him after the game how he seemed so comfortable in the offense, he said "it's just fundamental basketball".

The MJ/Scottie Bulls always had sharp shooters in their offense. Hodges, Paxson, Kerr, Kukoc, even Scottie himself. There would just be more attempts from outside if they played today but they could still run the same offense.

Lebron and Nash spoke about this topic in this episode. Essentially, like what you said, teams still run elements of the triangle, but not the exact same plan because of pace and space.

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I think the problem was that Phil was committed to running it mostly the same way, and didn't seem to be collecting the pieces needed to do what he wanted to do. And didn't do anything to make it simpler. They were bad on defense during his tenure, and a LOT worse on offense. Now, they had health issues, but like, it felt like he did nothing right.

I can't remember, was he responsible for the Bargs acquisition?

[KnicksGadfly]

Y'all forgetting that Phil Jackson was actively and transparently leaking crap through his butt buddy Charlie Rosen while he was POBO. If I was Melo, I wouldn't trust Phil either.

[HMFFL]

Phil was such a bad exective for the Knicks. He tried his triangle with every team and it humbled him. He never had the right talent with the Knicks.

[Capn'O]

Phil tried to coach from the POBO chair (and vindicate the triangle offense) and you can't do that. His strained relationship with Melo was a symptom of that problem.

[Capn'O]

I can't remember, was he responsible for the Bargs acquisition?

No, that was his predecessor Glen Grunwald. A name you know too well.

Allegedly Phil did put the kibosh on a Lowry deal that would have been somewhat favorable to the Knicks if the deal was as advertised. This would have been while he was in discussions for the job.

[tsherkin]

I can't remember, was he responsible for the Bargs acquisition?

No, that was his predecessor Glen Grunwald. A name you know too well.

Allegedly Phil did put the kibosh on a Lowry deal that would have been somewhat favorable to the Knicks if the deal was as advertised. This would have been while he was in discussions for the job.

Ah, yes.

Well, at least there is that. Sans Bargs and with health, we might remember his tenure a LITTLE more favorably, in fairness.