What's so great about Big Men who can shoot?

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Post#21 » by CupcakeNoFillin » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:46 pm

CaptainFanchini wrote:Think about a zone played against a team like

PG Andre Miller
SG Monta Ellis
SF Darius Miles
PF Al Jefferson
C Howard

They wouldn't score AT ALL.


Monta Ellis can't score? The kid can score 37 points in a game without even taking any FT and 3pt attempts.
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Post#22 » by lukeridenour » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:21 pm

also centers and pf will now have to step out to guard the shot. this provides a variety of opportunites for the offensive players. they can shoot, drive and burn, etc.
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Post#23 » by CupcakeNoFillin » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:24 pm

What's so great about 6 footers who can dunk.
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Post#24 » by CupcakeNoFillin » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:25 pm

What's so great about Big Men who can pass.
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Post#25 » by CupcakeNoFillin » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:26 pm

What's the deal with Big Men who have handles. That Hakeem Olajuwon guy was hella COOL.

What's so great about 6 footers who can dunk.

What's so great about Big Men who can pass.

What's so great about guards who can play in the post.

Why is every player so different. Why can't they all be the same.

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Post#26 » by CupcakeNoFillin » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:30 pm

What's the deal with Magic Johnson playing point guard when he was as tall as a Power Forward. Big guys should be playing as big men, not point guards.

What's the deal with Charles Barkley playing the Power Forward position. He's a midget and he's trying to play like a Big Man.
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Post#27 » by Nolan » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:52 pm

They extend the floor, create space and create defensive mismatch's.
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Post#28 » by SlickWilly8 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:18 pm

CupcakeNoFillin wrote:What's the deal with Magic Johnson playing point guard when he was as tall as a Power Forward. Big guys should be playing as big men, not point guards.

What's the deal with Charles Barkley playing the Power Forward position. He's a midget and he's trying to play like a Big Man.


I can see what you saying, but as far as that tall guy playing point guard, I think people called him Magic, he seemed to do pretty well and has a few rings to prove it. There's nothing wrong with player's being versatile, I'll take a 7 footer who can shoot, pass and handle anyday.
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Post#29 » by ilikecb4 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:26 pm

CupcakeNoFillin wrote:What's the deal with Magic Johnson playing point guard when he was as tall as a Power Forward. Big guys should be playing as big men, not point guards.

What's the deal with Charles Barkley playing the Power Forward position. He's a midget and he's trying to play like a Big Man.



pretty damn big midget i might add...6'6 , 350 lb....

I don't know about u i wouldn't want to face that midget
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Post#30 » by TheKingNbooby » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:36 pm

6'6 my ass hes 6'4 and yeah he was fat but not that fat
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Post#31 » by chrice » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:45 pm

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Post#32 » by Village Idiot » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:07 pm

The ability to run the high-post pick-and-roll is a compelling reason to have a big man who can shoot. That clears out the lane for drivers and cutters. If a big guy can't shoot the defenders can lag off the pick and make it harder to get the ball into the lane.
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Post#33 » by Kobay » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:44 pm

depending on the offense having big man that can shoot spreads the floor which makes penetration much easier and for guards to stat pad their assist column.
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Re: What's so great about Big Men who can shoot? 

Post#34 » by Sixerscan » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:46 pm

pr0wler wrote:Imagine if Dwight Howard started shooting a lot of 15-20 jumpers, and was making a reasonable amount of them. Hey, good for you Dwight. It's good that you have versatility in your game. But really, why should he be taking outside shots when there are a million other guys that can do the same thing, when he could be in the paint where he's most effective? I'm not comparing Dwight Howard's athleticism to Bargnani but I'm trying to make a point that players need to do what they are most effective at.


People like Bargs aren't most effective in the paint.
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Post#35 » by Jemini80 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:46 pm

Charles Barkley is to 6'6 as AI is to 6 feet tall

both are 2 inches shorter than their listed height.


a big man that shoots is a PF, and is useless unless you have a big man that is supposed to do what a big man does.

I can't wait until Dwight Howard and Greg Oden are on our Olympic team to show the rest of the world how you should play basketball, instead of changing our game to play like them.
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Post#36 » by Derekman » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:57 pm

The thing your going crazy about isn't their ability to shoot. It's because most big man who CAN shoot, shoot wayyyyyy to often.
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Post#37 » by crackjack » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:59 pm

If I was building a team, I'd want one of my big men to have at least mid range shooting.
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Post#38 » by LakerFanMan » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:02 pm

Nothing really wrong with big men who can shoot. The thing is that if you have one, you need at least another one who can hit the boards and play in the paint on both ends of the floor. The paint is just too important.
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Post#39 » by dsorc » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:39 pm

The problem I've seen is in young big men who find they can shoot the three and completely forget about developing their inside game. For a big man, range is a good asset only if he can do something else besides shoot from that range, either passing or driving. Look at guys like Sabonis, Divac, Webber or KG. All of them can shoot from the outside yet at the same time if they can't shoot they can kill you with their passing ability from the high post. Guys like Dirk have the ability to blow by defenders that close out on their initial shot.

The other important part here that again links back to younger players is that having range can create mismatches only as long as you can guard the person that can't guard you. A lot of times, younger bigs with outside shot tend to forget about developing their strength and can't guard in the post as well because of it, see Bargnani, Fazekas, Ricky Sanchez in the NBDL.

Finally, the third factor that may come into play is rebounding. Since the player is now playing farther away from the basket, his rebounding numbers will be lower.
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Post#40 » by Hendrix » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:40 pm

LakerFanMan wrote:Nothing really wrong with big men who can shoot. The thing is that if you have one, you need at least another one who can hit the boards and play in the paint on both ends of the floor. The paint is just too important.


Yeah I agree with this.


We don't really know if Bargnani is going to be an above average shooter or not. In Nowitzkis 1st year he was averaging .406%fg, and .206% 3pt% before he became one of the best shooters in the league. Bargnani's in his 2nd year shooting **** overall from the feild, but still shooting .40% from 3, and good from the stripe. He has the potential to be among the best shooters in the league imo.

That said I'de rather have a big man that plays like a big man.
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