Pistons: Flip Will Not Return

Post #21 » by **INKtastic** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 4:47 pm

I've been hoping Flip would get an extension. I wonder if they break up the team as well?

Ian4 · Post #22 » by **Ian4** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 4:56 pm

I hope the raptors consider flip, we need a coach with at least one other play than pick and roll.

triplet1984 · Post #23 » by **triplet1984** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 4:58 pm

Flip's offensive system will never win a championship. It's a soft jump shooting system that's all about reacting to how the other team wants to play rather than imposing the will.

A mediocre team with bad offensive problems should hire Flip though, he will probably do good. Just don't expect a title.

Flip is one of those coaches that people who don't follow a team game by game, think is a good coach. this includes certain ESPN writers.

Things change once you actually watch games regularly, as in, watch most of the games. It was halfway through the 06 season (when everybody was hyping up how they were on a 70-win pace), when i saw the lack of focus on rebounding, the soft offensive system

Man_Up · Post #24 » by **Man_Up** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:02 pm

Avery Johnson? Giving him some players with Grit and things might work out.

Mad Mike · Post #25 » by **Mad Mike** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:29 pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mf0AsckXYUM

all of detroit after hearing flip being fired news.

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #26 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:52 pm

Liqourish wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This is about Flips inability to coach a champiosnhip team. He hasn't developed our youngs guy (Amir Johnson, sat Maxiell in favor of Ratliff, didn't want to play Stuckey at first, never wanted to play Afflalo even though he is our best perimeter defender)

You act like every coach in the NBA doesn't do that.

Heat fans think their young players don't play enough.
Knicks fans think their young players don't play enough.
Pistons fans think their young players don't play enough.
Jazz fans think their young players don't play enough.
Celtics fans think their young players don't play enough.
And on and on.

Theo Ratliff only played 10 games for the Pistons this year. How was he played at the expensive of Maxiell's development? Unless you think the playoffs is the best time to give the youngest players on your team extended minutes at the expense of vets. And even then, Maxiell got more minutes than Ratliff.

I don't see anything wrong with trying someone new, but I don't think the Pistons will get any further next year with a new coach.

Train Wreck · Post #27 » by **Train Wreck** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:55 pm

Liqourish wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This isn't about the players, more than likely a few will be moved as well.

This is about Flips inability to coach a champiosnhip team. He hasn't developed our youngs guy (Amir Johnson, sat Maxiell in favor of Ratliff, didn't want to play Stuckey at first, never wanted to play Afflalo even though he is our best perimeter defender), he can't make good in game adjustments (out of time out plays always result in a bad shot/turnover), his rotations are god awful (although he did okay early in the playoffs), his ABA offense allows the opposing teams defense to dictate what the offense does, his defense is bascially a 2-3 zone or nothing at all.

Don't blame the players for Flips flaws. Yes the players will be blamed for their flaws and bad play.... but Flips unemployment is Flips own fault.

His ABA offense....? All we have are jumpshooters... A new coach is not all of a sudden going to make any of our players low post threats.... A new coach is not all of a sudden going to give us anyone besides Stuckey that can get to the basket.... He was forcing minutes to Stuckey when he came back from injury at the expense of Afflalo so i'm not sure where not wanting to play Stuckey came from.

Amir didn't play in the playoffs, big deal... Ratliff was a far better option than Amir against both Howard and Garnett... Garnett destroyed Amir in the regular season...

We flat out lost to a better team...

I have no problem with them getting rid of Flip but he did a good job this year... It's amazing how many people let the players off the hook...

Kyrama · Post #28 » by **Kyrama** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:00 pm

Bill Laimbeer

Train Wreck · Post #29 » by **Train Wreck** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:01 pm

[quote="Buckeye-NBAFan"][/quote]

100% correct....

We start Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Sheed, and Dice and people blame Flip because we are a jumpshooting team... Seriously???

Stuckey and sometimes Billups can get to the rim but both struggle at finishing... Is that Flip's fault? It's not so much Flip's system as it is the players that he has... Flip took this team as far as any available coach will.

We won it in 2004 because we had a prime Ben Wallace and our defense was incredible but we have always been a jumpshooting team... (Corliss helped a bit)

magicfan4life05 · Post #30 » by **magicfan4life05** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:01 pm

Dumars had a live press conference starting at 2:00 ET on espnews

Muzzleshot · Post #31 » by **Muzzleshot** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:21 pm

Da-Met wrote:Flip's offensive system will never win a championship. It's a soft jump shooting system that's all about reacting to how the other team wants to play rather than imposing the will.

The Detroit offense can't and never did impose it's will offensively.
As mentioned above, they're a jump shooting team and they can't become what that ain't.

Liqourish · Post #32 » by **Liqourish** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:21 pm

[quote="Train Wreck"][/quote]

Yes, our starting five can all shoot jumpers, that doesn't excuse that fact that Flips offense catered to forced jumpshots that were defensively dictated. Where were the pick'n'rolls? where were the cuts to the baskets? We saw them under Larry Brown.... we even saw them under Rick Carlisle.

Not wanting to play Stuckey came from the Detroit media who reported that Joe Dumars sat Flip down and told him to play Stuckey even though Saunders was hesitant.

Amir didn't play all season beside a few games here or there or the few weeks when Flip decided to go hog wild and actually used the bench and we went on a long winning streak. Who said anything about playing Amir in the playoffs? Or against Garnett? if you want to argue, go argue with yourself. :wink:

I'm not letting the players off the hook, Sheed sucked and will most likely be leaving. Dice sucked as usual but he gets a pass cause he's nice and quiet. Ratliff sucked but hey, it's better than playing the young guys.

Liqourish · Post #33 » by **Liqourish** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:24 pm

Buckeye-NBAFan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
You act like every coach in the NBA doesn't do that.

Heat fans think their young players don't play enough.
Knicks fans think their young players don't play enough.
Pistons fans think their young players don't play enough.
Jazz fans think their young players don't play enough.
Celtics fans think their young players don't play enough.
And on and on.

Considering the talent level of the Heat and Knicks this year, I'd say you are wrong.

Jazz fans I'm sure are quite happy about the development of Ronnie Brewer, Deron Williams, Paul Millsap.

Celtics don't have any young players besides Powe but I do feel their pain.

Theo Ratliff only played 10 games for the Pistons this year. How was he played at the expensive of Maxiell's development? Unless you think the playoffs is the best time to give the youngest players on your team extended minutes at the expense of vets. And even then, Maxiell got more minutes than Ratliff.

Ask anyone who actually WATCHED the ECFs about Ratliff playing in front of Maxiell and then get back to me. I don't get how you can even dispute this.

I don't see anything wrong with trying someone new, but I don't think the Pistons will get any further next year with a new coach.

Thank you Miss Cleo.

Muzzleshot · Post #34 » by **Muzzleshot** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:24 pm

Liqourish wrote:Not wanting to play Stuckey came from the Detroit media who reported that Joe Dumars sat Flip down and told him to play Stuckey even though Saunders was hesitant.

I'd love to see the link to that information. It the Detroit media reported it there should be a link. I certainly don't remember such a story.

magicfan4life05 · Post #35 » by **magicfan4life05** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:29 pm

Stephen A smith is reporting Michael Curry will be named Head Coach

Rasho Brezec · Post #36 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:37 pm

Does anyone else think Avery would be a good fit on that team?

Patterns · Post #37 » by **Patterns** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:04 pm

Flip goes back to Minny?

CITYOFANGELSX3 · Post #38 » by **CITYOFANGELSX3** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:07 pm

Curry? Eddy CUrry? New head coach

Liqourish · Post #39 » by **Liqourish** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:14 pm

Michael Curry has been rumored to be the next coach of the Pistons for months now. Joe Dumars said today in his press conference that he'll be talking to people this week.

Stephen A is just regurgitating what Rob Parker claimed on 1st and 10 this morning. :roll:

7r5ur · Post #40 » by **7r5ur** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:21 pm

Joe's quote in the press conference when asked if he was going to make significant changes to the roster...

"You damn right I will".

Finally.

As for Flip... In no way is it 100% on him, but he has done too many things wrong the last few years, and no veteran team is going to listen to a guy with that much post-season failure on his record. I am sure Joe is also sick of hearing him deflect blame after every loss. Like clockwork, every time the Pistons lose the only thing he ever seems to come up with is "We missed shots". Won't mention how they got mauled on the glass, or how they let guys waltz down the lane for layups.

He may be a decent X's and O's coach (that's his rep, though I hate his offense), but he's terrible at motivating players.