How bad did LeBron damage his legacy?

Kerosene · Post #201 » by **Kerosene** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:23 am

A thread about Lebron's legacy will be up this time next year as well. Let's not write a book backwards, guys.

Coda · Post #202 » by **Coda** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:37 am

What legacy? Honestly, what legacy does Lebron have? He doesn't have a legacy yet. Did Karl Malone (I actually love Malone) ruin his legacy when he didn't win the title after joining up with Shaq and Kobe? Nope. Tell me about the legacy of Sir Charles? Only champions truely have a legacy. Lebron isn't a champion. Maybe someday, but not yet. So far Lebron is a brand and a celebrity. People act like he is Jordan or something. Jordan was cold blooded winner and a champion many times over. Jordan became a brand by winning. Lebron seems to feel pressure to win to maintain his brand. This series hurt that brand. It didn't however hurt his legacy because he doesn't have a legacy yet.

ag101 · Post #203 » by **ag101** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:39 am

Coda wrote:What legacy? Honestly, what legacy does Lebron have? He doesn't have a legacy yet. Did Karl Malone (I actually love Malone) ruin his legacy when he didn't win the title after joining up with Shaq and Kobe? Nope. Tell me about the legacy of Sir Charles? Only champions truely have a legacy. Lebron isn't a champion. Maybe someday, but not yet. So far Lebron is a brand and a celebrity. People act like he is Jordan or something. Jordan was cold blooded winner and a champion many times over. Jordan became a brand by winning. Lebron seems to feel pressure to win to maintain his brand. This series hurt that brand. It didn't however hurt his legacy because he doesn't have a legacy yet.

Came here to say the exact same thing.. He retires right now, what do we remember him for?
Lebron has no legacy.

lakersdynasty · Post #204 » by **lakersdynasty** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:43 am

he´s trowing it all away very fast, there´s no way to like him now, even the for heat fans, if he played the way he supposed heat would have won, cause bosh and wade played at their level

Sedale Threatt · Post #205 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:44 am

There's still not much doubt in my mind he's going to win a championship at some point. Probably more than one. But he's definitely incurred some pretty substantial blemishes over the past two seasons. It's one thing to lose, but to lose so passively...not very impressive.

JoseRizal · Post #206 » by **JoseRizal** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:51 am

Coda wrote:What legacy? Honestly, what legacy does Lebron have? He doesn't have a legacy yet. Did Karl Malone (I actually love Malone) ruin his legacy when he didn't win the title after joining up with Shaq and Kobe? Nope. Tell me about the legacy of Sir Charles? Only champions truely have a legacy. Lebron isn't a champion. Maybe someday, but not yet. So far Lebron is a brand and a celebrity. People act like he is Jordan or something. Jordan was cold blooded winner and a champion many times over. Jordan became a brand by winning. Lebron seems to feel pressure to win to maintain his brand. This series hurt that brand. It didn't however hurt his legacy because he doesn't have a legacy yet.

Agree.

NBA Finals record

MJ = 6-0
LeChoke = 0-2

Mamba Venom · Post #207 » by **Mamba Venom** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:54 am

The only thing that could make me a LeBron fan is if he realized how stupid he was for going to South Beach and went back to Cleveland to reset things.

The 1st overall pick, Miamis 1st and the other 2 draft picks should do it.

PersianCeltic · Post #208 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:56 am

Pancho_Pantera wrote:He's irrelevant to me. Until he wins a championship and actually produces, I will not give a damn what he does in his career.

Sometimes I feel that way about Dwight Howard as well FWIW... that said fingers crossed he comes to the Celtics!

Blkbrd671 · Post #209 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:56 am

Who's having a bigger party, Dallas or Cleveland?

Hon-essim · Post #210 » by **Hon-essim** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:58 am

To be fair, if you took out the MJ destroyer hype, there have been performances such as these. Oscar and Shaq were always considered to be passive/weird/not into it before they got their first ring.

The problem stems from Lebron not only having Wade but simply playing out of character. (Guy becomes a jump shooter at the most critical time in the playoffs) plus 8 pts. is too low although that's more of an effect of a passive guy having a teammate like Wade.

By the same time Shaq and Penny were in the Finals, Shaq was supposed to be God but even though he was accused of under-performing as the man, it didn't look like he had lost his athleticism like Lebron so the blemish difference is that Lebron flat out did something that attracted and made him nearly a one of a kind character in history (The Decision) and he failed at the climax of that history when all eyes were on him. (If he did this in anything but the Finals the mark on his legacy wouldn't be so evident.)

Hon-essim · Post #211 » by **Hon-essim** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:00 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:Who's having a bigger party, Dallas or Cleveland?

Cleveland. This is their 2nd party since they beat Miami in the regular season.

J the Drafter · Post #212 » by **J the Drafter** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:01 am

Hon-essim wrote:No, he's not even Robin now. He's officially Darkseid. Ultra powerful, villanous but gets beaten up by the great powerful beings at the most crucial moment with only flashy eyes to show for it.

No. Darkseid is cool. He's commanding, he's menacing, and he's charismatic. He's also burned Superman a couple times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCqJmmDONgU

Can LeBron measure up to that?

Nirvana · Post #213 » by **Nirvana** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:02 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:Who's having a bigger party, Dallas or Cleveland?

Dallas should have their ring ceremony in Cleveland so we can celebrate accordingly.

ecnirp · Post #214 » by **ecnirp** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:05 am

The absolute worst thing LeBron ever did (beside The Decision). Is guaranteeing 7 championships. If dude just said "We hope to win multiple championships" It would have been. But like LeBron, he rambles on till he says something stupid.

Jampod · Post #215 » by **Jampod** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:06 am

It certainly hasn't helped anything. To me, with the lineup Miami has and the hype that followed, It was a must win situation. Lebron knew this. Or at least he should have known. Wade, I think knew it. And what baffles me is seeing how much of a shell Lebron has become of his old self. It makes me think his mindset as a player isn't in the right place.

However, I'd be surprised if he doesn't win at least one championship over his career. But this guy's reputation has gone done the toilet and he will never be able to erase what happened tonight.

Jampod · Post #216 » by **Jampod** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:07 am

On a side note, I don't think it would be a bad idea for Lebron to take a vow of silence for a year. Anything that comes out of his mouth is a hotbed for controversy.

Hon-essim · Post #217 » by **Hon-essim** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:12 am

J the Drafter wrote:
Hon-essim wrote:No, he's not even Robin now. He's officially Darkseid. Ultra powerful, villanous but gets beaten up by the great powerful beings at the most crucial moment with only flashy eyes to show for it.

No. Darkseid is cool. He's commanding, he's menacing, and he's charismatic. He's also burned Superman a couple times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCqJmmDONgU

Can LeBron measure up to that?

What did you think the Lebron hype was all about initially?

Before this Finals, Lebron is supposed to be commanding (alpha male/making Wade his sidekick), menacing (shut down Rose) and charismatic (omg he promises not 1, not 2, not 3...)

He also was the favorite against Dwight's Orlando before finally losing to an upset.

Blkbrd671 · Post #218 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:13 am

Nirvana wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:Who's having a bigger party, Dallas or Cleveland?

Dallas should have their ring ceremony in Cleveland so we can celebrate accordingly.

i like that idea, if i was dan i might just give them the 4th pick because they've earned it.

Hon-essim · Post #219 » by **Hon-essim** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:13 am

Jampod wrote:On a side note, I don't think it would be a bad idea for Lebron to take a vow of silence for a year. Anything that comes out of his mouth is a hotbed for controversy.

Wouldn't help his image. He's better off looking at how Shaq eventually turned his douchiness into something that's cute or passable by constantly talking.

Coda · Post #220 » by **Coda** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:17 am

JoseRizal wrote:
Coda wrote:What legacy? Honestly, what legacy does Lebron have? He doesn't have a legacy yet. Did Karl Malone (I actually love Malone) ruin his legacy when he didn't win the title after joining up with Shaq and Kobe? Nope. Tell me about the legacy of Sir Charles? Only champions truely have a legacy. Lebron isn't a champion. Maybe someday, but not yet. So far Lebron is a brand and a celebrity. People act like he is Jordan or something. Jordan was cold blooded winner and a champion many times over. Jordan became a brand by winning. Lebron seems to feel pressure to win to maintain his brand. This series hurt that brand. It didn't however hurt his legacy because he doesn't have a legacy yet.

Agree.

NBA Finals record

MJ = 6-0
LeChoke = 0-2

Those stats say so much. He's no Jordan. It's too late to be like Jordan. Jordan's Bulls went to parades in their honor after the season ended. Lebron's Heat have parades in their honor too, but they are prior to the seasons start!