Rondo is overrated

[wjun15]

I wonder what rondo has to do to shut up the haters, cause clearly what hes done so far hasn't
-carried a team to the finals
-averaged a near triple double in 2009
-improved his shooting every year
-one of the hardest competitors and hustlers in the NBA

Does he have to turn into Magic Stockton?

I think its because people dont like his attitude. The dude is poppin up in trade rumors every year. Gets into clashes with teammates. Says hes better than CP3 because he has a ring

[Bertrob]

Question who gets hated more? Carmelo or Rondo?

Rondo
at least after a big game Carmelo doesn't get hate for at least 3 days afterwards
Rondo gets a big game the hate machine turns off for 12 hours max

[Bertrob]

I wonder what rondo has to do to shut up the haters, cause clearly what hes done so far hasn't
-carried a team to the finals
-averaged a near triple double in 2009
-improved his shooting every year
-one of the hardest competitors and hustlers in the NBA

Does he have to turn into Magic Stockton?

I think its because people dont like his attitude. The dude is poppin up in trade rumors every year. Gets into clashes with teammates. Says hes better than CP3

Well I don't think hes better than CP3
Also hes popping up in trade rumors FOR SUPERIOR PLAYERS
Who wasn't trying to get CP3 this year?
His attitude has some problems but Pierce was the same when he was younger
you can grow out of it

[smith2373]

The fact of the matter is I posted in this thread to pose the question of how Rondo gets coined as being a "pure point guard" while other PG's in the league get crucified for being "shoot first" PG's when that is what they must do in order for their respective teams to be successful. For that reason I feel Rondo gets overrated. He's an excellent distributor, but he is the product of the Celtic's system and the players that he surrounded by. For Christ sakes, as a professional basketball player you better score upwards of 40 points when a team plays almost 10 feet off of you daring you to shoot (Game 2 ECF 2012). Rondo does not even face the defensive pressure most PG's do.

If Rondo is just a product of the Celtics system then when he's been injured or suspended why haven't the other PG's who replaced him in the lineup put up numbers like him?

If he's just a product of the system then any PG would be able to flourish in it, right?

So what stopped guys like Delonte West, Nate Robinson, Avery Bradley, Keyon Dooling, E'Twaun Moore & Eddie House from stepping in and having doube-double games? I mean, any PG can be successful in that system right?

It's 2012 and people are still saying Rondo is a product of the Big 3. Pathetic. You can see who doesn't watch Celtic games.

[Scottg247]

If Rondo put up better regular seasom numbers, a lot more people would put him in there top 5 fortunately for Rondo he won a ring early In his career and his team is older so he doesn't give 100% during the regular season. He could average 16-11-5 if he wanted to.

Your joking right? He always give it 100%. He is one of the hardest working players in the league.

[sca]

The fact of the matter is I posted in this thread to pose the question of how Rondo gets coined as being a "pure point guard" while other PG's in the league get crucified for being "shoot first" PG's when that is what they must do in order for their respective teams to be successful. For that reason I feel Rondo gets overrated. He's an excellent distributor, but he is the product of the Celtic's system and the players that he surrounded by. For Christ sakes, as a professional basketball player you better score upwards of 40 points when a team plays almost 10 feet off of you daring you to shoot (Game 2 ECF 2012). Rondo does not even face the defensive pressure most PG's do.

If Rondo is just a product of the Celtics system then when he's been injured or suspended why haven't the other PG's who replaced him in the lineup put up numbers like him?

If he's just a product of the system then any PG would be able to flourish in it, right?

So what stopped guys like Delonte West, Nate Robinson, Avery Bradley, Keyon Dooling, E'Twaun Moore & Eddie House from stepping in and having doube-double games? I mean, any PG can be successful in that system right?

Sshhh, didn't you get the memo? Even some of the posters here would average 4 to 10 APG playing with the big three.

[Bertrob]

If Rondo put up better regular seasom numbers, a lot more people would put him in there top 5 fortunately for Rondo he won a ring early In his career and his team is older so he doesn't give 100% during the regular season. He could average 16-11-5 if he wanted to.

Your joking right? He always give it 100%. He is one of the hardest working players in the league.

thats not entirely true
people overrated the times he isn't always at 100%, but there are some instances
but its a minor issue, no player except for a few go 100% every game
Rondo doesn't go 100% maybe 5 games out of the 82 game season

[Scottg247]

If Rondo put up better regular seasom numbers, a lot more people would put him in there top 5 fortunately for Rondo he won a ring early In his career and his team is older so he doesn't give 100% during the regular season. He could average 16-11-5 if he wanted to.

Your joking right? He always give it 100%. He is one of the hardest working players in the league.

thats not entirely true
people overrated the times he isn't always at 100%, but there are some instances
but its a minor issue, no player except for a few go 100% every game
Rondo doesn't go 100% maybe 5 games out of the 82 game season

I don't think any player truely goes 100% the entire 82 game season. Injuries and conditioning come into play. But I have been watching him since his Kentucky days. I am a huge Kentucky fan and he was always the hardest worker ont he court. He has a passion for the game that is tremendous. And I am an Orlando Magic fan. Rondo kills us all the time. But what I was getting at is that he works as hard or harder than the majority of the players in the league. The other poster was trying to say that just because he won a championship that he doesn't give full effort until the playoffs. Thats just crazy talk. Him and Steve Nash both work there tails off.

[Deathclutch23]

The fact of the matter is I posted in this thread to pose the question of how Rondo gets coined as being a "pure point guard" while other PG's in the league get crucified for being "shoot first" PG's when that is what they must do in order for their respective teams to be successful. For that reason I feel Rondo gets overrated. He's an excellent distributor, but he is the product of the Celtic's system and the players that he surrounded by. For Christ sakes, as a professional basketball player you better score upwards of 40 points when a team plays almost 10 feet off of you daring you to shoot (Game 2 ECF 2012). Rondo does not even face the defensive pressure most PG's do.

If Rondo is just a product of the Celtics system then when he's been injured or suspended why haven't the other PG's who replaced him in the lineup put up numbers like him?

If he's just a product of the system then any PG would be able to flourish in it, right?

So what stopped guys like Delonte West, Nate Robinson, Avery Bradley, Keyon Dooling, E'Twaun Moore & Eddie House from stepping in and having doube-double games? I mean, any PG can be successful in that system right?

Sshhh, didn't you get the memo? Even some of the posters here would average 4 to 10 APG playing with the big three.

Yup, they just choose not waste their talent playing in NBA.

[bujabra]

Why the hell do you think the Celtics have so many good shooters, it's cause Rondo always find them right on the money. Any player playing with Rondo will find it easier to score cause everything else is set perfectly..

And now that he's discovered his scoring touch...

Next season's MVP, Book IT!

[pross]

Which other PG could have pulled off a game like Rondo's game 2? I know it's only one game, but I don't know any other current player other than Lebron who could have done that.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

tbh, if he ever had to play with scrubs and a bad coach I think we'd see the true Rondo. He has solid defenders and great finishers all around him so he doesn't have to carry the team (that 44 point game was luck, you won't see him hit jumpers like that again anytime soon) so he can rack up assists. Yes, he's a great penetrator, but if he were the main offensive threat and three point champs in Ray Allen and Pierce weren't behind him, lets see how he'd fair.

I'd take Paul, Rose and Parker over him (Williams fell off). Rondo is the 4th best pg to me

Any point guard needs shooters/finishers around him.

You're basically saying that if Rondo had a garbage team, he wouldn't fair so well. The actuality is he would be fine, the team wouldn't be though, just like Deron's Nets blew this year.

Saying that if he was the best player on his team with average players surrounding him he wouldn't do well. He is able to what he does because his teammates are great. Paul, Rose, and Williams all started with subpar teams and carried them. Rondo got to fill a role over his career rather than have one forced on him from year one

[Bertrob]

Saying that if he was the best player on his team with average players surrounding him he wouldn't do well. He is able to what he does because his teammates are great. Paul, Rose, and Williams all started with subpar teams and carried them. Rondo got to fill a role over his career rather than have one forced on him from year one

Rondo is the best player on the team

[1Shooter]

they dislike him because he cant shoot if were going to simplify things like that.

Alright I'll simplify things.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVQIjJbY2m0[/youtube]

Also for a guy who "can't shoot" , I have no clue how he's averaging 17.6 points a game in the playoffs.... guess his shooting is really bad.
I think Rondo [at times] doesn't think he has to shoot. He's being a pass first point guard but he showed that when it's needed, he'll try to make some buckets.

[smith2373]

Saying that if he was the best player on his team with average players surrounding him he wouldn't do well. He is able to what he does because his teammates are great. Paul, Rose, and Williams all started with subpar teams and carried them. Rondo got to fill a role over his career rather than have one forced on him from year one

Rondo is the best player on the team

Nah man, it's Ray Allen that's averaging 27 PPG against Miami in this current series.

[black bart]

how can you call him overrated at this point? I thought he was unable to score and couldn't hit a 15-20 foot shot but he is incredibly efficient shot and is making threes. I don't know if this is improvement but he is money from 15-20 feet. I think he has a definite shot at improving his free throw percentage etc

[pross]

The other thing is, when Rondo takes the majority of his jump shots is at the end of the shot clock and it's a rushed shot. He usually makes it when he steps into it in rhythm, to bad he doesn't do that too often

[MAQ]

Parker over Rondo is questionable at best.

D-Will and Westbrook each have faults of their own and frankly having those players over Rondo is at least partially a preference thing rather than some cold hard fact.

Parker was probably the 2nd best PG for the entirety of the this 2011-2012 season. Questionable my ass.

And all lists and rankings are personal preference. None of this is fact. That was the worst detraction of someone's list I've ever read.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Saying that if he was the best player on his team with average players surrounding him he wouldn't do well. He is able to what he does because his teammates are great. Paul, Rose, and Williams all started with subpar teams and carried them. Rondo got to fill a role over his career rather than have one forced on him from year one

Rondo is the best player on the team

By how much? How much of his success is BECAUSE of his teammates. He didn't make due with scrubs around him, he was able to develop BECAUSE Kg, Allen and Pierce got all the attention.

If you put him on a scrub team, he wouldn't be able to single handedly change the culture of that team like Chris Paul did with the Clippers or Rose, Williams and Paul did with their original teams when drafted.

Rondo is a system point guard. His flaws aren't abused often because of his teammates, he can't shoot so when he drives he has KG, Allen and Pierce who are AUTOMATIC to kick out to. Meanwhile, other Pgs have inconsistent players surrounding them who don't help carry the burden of the team.

[pross]

Saying that if he was the best player on his team with average players surrounding him he wouldn't do well. He is able to what he does because his teammates are great. Paul, Rose, and Williams all started with subpar teams and carried them. Rondo got to fill a role over his career rather than have one forced on him from year one

Rondo is the best player on the team

By how much? How much of his success is BECAUSE of his teammates. He didn't make due with scrubs around him, he was able to develop BECAUSE Kg, Allen and Pierce got all the attention.

If you put him on a scrub team, he wouldn't be able to single handedly change the culture of that team like Chris Paul did with the Clippers or Rose, Williams and Paul did with their original teams when drafted.

Rondo is a system point guard. His flaws aren't abused often because of his teammates, he can't shoot so when he drives he has KG, Allen and Pierce who are AUTOMATIC to kick out to. Meanwhile, other Pgs have inconsistent players surrounding them who don't help carry the burden of the team.

What a joke.

Watch some games and get back to me. When any of the big 3 don't play, Rondo's stats get BETTER, MUCH BETTER. He becomes more aggresive and takes on a bigger role.