OJ Mayo 40 points 8 rebounds 3 assists against James Harden

[monopolyman]

the sample size from the past four years is tainted by Mayo's admitted attitude problems and him trying to whine his way off the team. This is the first year (other than his rookie year) where he has been given the keys to the offense, thus significantly different from the past years (indicated by a number of factors, mainly user %)

if you guys can 't understand that you are either stubborn homers, blind, or unwilling to admit it out of sheer ignorance

And i have already said a number of times throughout.this thread that i agree.that Harden gets into the paint more and is a better distributor, which Mayo counters by being a better floor spacer teams.are forced to respect (opening.things up for ALL of his teammates, and the fact that he is not a ball stopper...meaning he.must have the ball in his hands

[monopolyman]

Mayo is assisted on nearly 60% of his shots, yet failed to mention he averages 1.4 points on iso situations, top 5 in the league and well above Harden

Sample size is important, you fail to grasp that. Stats are used contextually.

Just picking at that one point, Mayo has been very good in iso's. I don't know how to get the synergy numbers for previous years, but this year he's been very effective as a dump off guy in broken possessions. He's been less effective with the ball in other roles, but he does have that going for him. Hasn't he at least had that his whole career?

Something else being totally ignored by everyone here.

We can have a disagreement over who is a better/more effective player....but by saying its not close is just not paying attention, and ignoring what Mayo has truly done as a #1 option



It is actually a pretty close one between the players...I personally would rather have Mayo, as he fits into a system that will enhance Dirk 's game

[monopolyman]

Damn ....it takes you guys forever to come around to a fairly obvious point.

No, Mayo isn't getting in the paint a finishing with flashy layups/dunks AS MUCH as Harden, but as far as productivity and efficiency is concerned in similiar circumstances.... it is a pretty close debate

goodnight...from your new favorite troll lol

[Shock Defeat]

Seems there is no changing monopolyman's mind. I say don't even bother responding to tsherkin because it's not like this is going anywhere.

You believe OJ Mayo is better than Harden. Quite a bit more people believe the other way around. Let this thread go because I don't think you are going to change the minds of that many people especially when you have no other posters supporting you other than Mavs fans and lilojmayo.

[monopolyman]

Seems there is no changing monopolyman's mind. I say don't even bother responding to tsherkin because it's not like this is going anywhere.

You believe OJ Mayo is better than Harden. Quite a bit more people believe the other way around. Let this thread go because I don't think you are going to change the minds of that many people especially when you have no other posters supporting you other than Mavs fans and lilojmayo.

I think nyucks is coming around, but yea...not many others. Did what I could. Wtv...don't realltly care anymore. I will clip n save and come back after another quarter of the season has passed...we will see who was right at that point....or at least it will be more clear

[spearsy23]

Damn ....it takes you guys forever to come around to a fairly obvious point.

No, Mayo isn't getting in the paint a finishing with flashy layups/dunks AS MUCH as Harden, but as far as productivity and efficiency is concerned in similiar circumstances.... it is a pretty close debate

It's really not though, twice as much gives harden a HUGE advantage, in addition it's why he shoots so many free throws. Assuming we're talking purely about getting into the lane. In terms of scoring, just looking at ts% shows mayo has been more efficient, based purely on his shooting. The thing is, you think we're debating that and we aren't. Harden has been better in every other category. If scoring is all that matters then mayo has played better, but it isn't. In addition, saying you'd rather have mayo on Dallas is fine, you can feel he's a better fit, I can understand that. In much the same way, I prefer Westbrook on OKC to Chris Paul, but I can admit Paul is better. That doesn't make us homers for pointing out harden is more complete as a player than mayo. Also mayo is only averaging 3.5 assists not 4, so harden is +2 in that category.

[monopolyman]

Damn ....it takes you guys forever to come around to a fairly obvious point.

No, Mayo isn't getting in the paint a finishing with flashy layups/dunks AS MUCH as Harden, but as far as productivity and efficiency is concerned in similiar circumstances.... it is a pretty close debate

It's really not though, twice as much gives harden a HUGE advantage, in addition it's why he shoots so many free throws. Assuming we're talking purely about getting into the lane. In terms of scoring, just looking at ts% shows mayo has been more efficient, based purely on his shooting. The thing is, you think we're debating that and we aren't. Harden has been better in every other category. If scoring is all that matters then mayo has played better, but it isn't. In addition, saying you'd rather have mayo on Dallas is fine, you can feel he's a better fit, I can understand that. In much the same way, I prefer Westbrook on OKC to Chris Paul, but I can admit Paul is better. That doesn't make us homers for pointing out harden is more complete as a player than mayo. Also mayo is only averaging 3.5 assists not 4, so harden is +2 in that category.

Truth is that Harden has not been better in EVERY OTHER category. I suppose my argument should be adjusted since
there are a few.things that have come to light that I was not previously aware of.

Mayo.is the more efficient offensive player and is a better man on defender....though I understand the latter doesn't say.much since Harden is pretty **** man on defender. Harden gets into the paint, to the line, and is a better distributer

[monopolyman]

Continued....

However, I think Mayo's top asset is being a floor spacer for his teammates and his ability to score in iso situations (top 5 in the game with 1.4 points, well above Harden)

That is why I believe the players are prerty close. Clearly you disagree....but it is no longer worth debating over

[lilojmayo]

What OJ Mayo is doing is unsustainable . I agree with you Harden fans.
However, once the shots stop falling, OJ will pick it up in other facets of the game like playmaking especially when Dirk comes back

he simply can do no wrong

[HotrodBeaubois]

oj's game is prettier when he's on, but harden is much more effective, especially if he learns to overcome all the extra defensive attention--he can play pick and roll and draw free throws like nobody's business, and those are the two key guard skills along with shooting in today's nba. your eyes should be able to tell you that

What happens when Mayo starts getting Star treatment and gest gifted 6-7+ FTA per game ?

What happens when teams start game planning specifically for Mayo ,double team him, and not let him shoot open threes?

Go ahead he just passes to a open Dirk or Kaman. Thats the problem when Dirk gets back teams arent going to be able to double Dirk/Mayo/Kaman.

[spearsy23]

Continued....

However, I think Mayo's top asset is being a floor spacer for his teammates and his ability to score in iso situations (top 5 in the game with 1.4 points, well above Harden)

That is why I believe the players are prerty close. Clearly you disagree....but it is no longer worth debating over

I wouldn't disagree that they've been close this year, but I'm really not seeing any other stat that mayo has been better in outside of scoring efficiency.

[HotrodBeaubois]

Mayo is more efficient through 20 games. Harden has been more efficient than Mayo throughout their career.

Do you understand sample size?

Thats what happens when you play with MVP players ( Durant ) . You dont think when Dirk gets back Mayos gonna have it alot easier?

[spearsy23]

Mayo is more efficient through 20 games. Harden has been more efficient than Mayo throughout their career.

Do you understand sample size?

Thats what happens when you play with MVP players ( Durant ) . You dont think when Dirk gets back Mayos gonna have it alot easier?

That's why every other thunder player has put up the insane efficiency stats as harden, right?

[HotrodBeaubois]

There is no debate because your "argument" has no leg.

Its 20 games.

4 years sample > 20 game sample

lol...couldn't respond to any of my post, just repeated yourself...wtv, lets wait then

clip n save

There is nothing to respond to. Its 20 games. Thats my answer every time.

Career

Harden > Mayo

This year 20 games

Mayo > Harden

[spearsy23]

Once again, only in scoring efficiency.

[HotrodBeaubois]

Mayo is more efficient through 20 games. Harden has been more efficient than Mayo throughout their career.

Do you understand sample size?

Thats what happens when you play with MVP players ( Durant ) . You dont think when Dirk gets back Mayos gonna have it alot easier?

That's why every other thunder player has put up the insane efficiency stats as harden, right?

Was Harden not a more efficient scorer every year except his rookie year in OKC? Just like Martin is having his most efficient year in 6 years playing with Durant.

[HitMan52]

You guys shouldn't be so sure that OJ Mayo will play better when Dirk comes back. In his rookie year he was solid but the moment the Grizzlies got better players his play regressed.

Mayo is the number 1 option right now so let's see how he handles being the number 2 yet again. Will it ruin his flow? He didn't adjust very well last time.

You know a player is not that special when you are extremely happy when he averages 20/3/3.

This Mayo>Harden talk is laughable. Harden is not a ball stopper btw. He has proven that he can play within the offense when it calls for it. But now that he is on a bad team he has to play this way.

[dyukcs]

Seems there is no changing monopolyman's mind. I say don't even bother responding to tsherkin because it's not like this is going anywhere.

You believe OJ Mayo is better than Harden. Quite a bit more people believe the other way around. Let this thread go because I don't think you are going to change the minds of that many people especially when you have no other posters supporting you other than Mavs fans and lilojmayo.

I think nyucks is coming around, but yea...not many others. Did what I could. Wtv...don't realltly care anymore. I will clip n save and come back after another quarter of the season has passed...we will see who was right at that point....or at least it will be more clear

Well I'm a Mavs fan that happens to think Harden is better, but I agree with you that the play has been close this year. Harden does what he does from his driving ability, and Mayo from his outside shooting, but we still don't know if this is Mayo breaking out as a shooter or if it's a hotstreak. Most likely it's something in between, and we just have to see where he settles at. It's a lot easier for me to imagine Harden sustaining his style than Mayo sustaining his shooting, but I felt the same thing 10 games ago and he hasn't slowed down yet.

[dyukcs]

You guys shouldn't be so sure that OJ Mayo will play better when Dirk comes back. In his rookie year he was solid but the moment the Grizzlies got better players his play regressed.

Mayo is the number 1 option right now so let's see how he handles being the number 2 yet again. Will it ruin his flow? He didn't adjust very well last time.

You know a player is not that special when you are extremely happy when he averages 20/3/3.

This Mayo>Harden talk is laughable. Harden is not a ball stopper btw. He has proven that he can play within the offense when it calls for it. But now that he is on a bad team he has to play this way.

Well Mayo is doing a lot of what he's doing playing off the ball and on a small number of possessions. He's only taking about 15 shots a game, which is similar to Jason Terry in his time here. Dirk himself is very versatile and efficient, so there's plenty to go around for those two.

It's more that I'm confident in Dirk, but to the extent possible without seeing them together, I think their games will mesh just fine.

[DoubleVision]

I'd be worried about Mayo's performance with Dirk if Mayo was playing as a volume scorer. He's not. Dirk coming back will take away shots from Brand,Marion, Jones, and Kaman. Not OJ.