Bledsoe and Suns reach 5 year, $70 million deal

[Dmanning2]

Lillard deserves a max contract if you ask me.

And if Portland doesn't offer it someone will.

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[Slava]

Pretty good deal but I guess they are banking on the cap rising to also retain Dragic or they might look to trade Dragic before end of the season. Looking at them signing his brother, I think they are going all out to retain all 4 PGs.

[crazy_me_87]

Thats alot of PGs now on the Suns

EB,Dragic,IT,Ennis

interesting concept... will win some games but will be useless playoff time.. to go anywhere in this league you need either a good wing or a good Big... Point Guards on their own never got you anywhere.... not even if you have 3 good ones^^

[thamadkant]

Thats alot of PGs now on the Suns

EB,Dragic,IT,Ennis

interesting concept... will win some games but will be useless playoff time.. to go anywhere in this league you need either a good wing or a good Big... Point Guards on their own never got you anywhere.... not even if you have 3 good ones^^

Not true.. well atleast you dont have enough evidence.

Yes.. big men help a lot, especially defensively.

Wing?... of course, but from wingmen as long as you can shoot the long ball and play defense you contribute in a playoff atmosphere comfortably.


Suns looks like they will out-score and out-pace teams from the PG spot.
There isnt any team who has done this for a while... closest one was Pistons with Dumars and Thomas who are both combo guards... Marbury/Francis was also an experiment to replicate that but unfortunately both arent willing to compromise enough and off-court issues wrecked that plan.

Suns 3 PGs can all average 20ppg, dish out 6-7 assists and penetrate at will.

We are yet to see this strategy... it could fail or it could be "OK"...

[crazy_me_87]

Thats alot of PGs now on the Suns

EB,Dragic,IT,Ennis

interesting concept... will win some games but will be useless playoff time.. to go anywhere in this league you need either a good wing or a good Big... Point Guards on their own never got you anywhere.... not even if you have 3 good ones^^

Not true.. well atleast you dont have enough evidence.

Yes.. big men help a lot, especially defensively.

Wing?... of course, but from wingmen as long as you can shoot the long ball and play defense you contribute in a playoff atmosphere comfortably.


Suns looks like they will out-score and out-pace teams from the PG spot.
There isnt any team who has done this for a while... closest one was Pistons with Dumars and Thomas who are both combo guards... Marbury/Francis was also an experiment to replicate that but unfortunately both arent willing to compromise enough and off-court issues wrecked that plan.

Suns 3 PGs can all average 20ppg, dish out 6-7 assists and penetrate at will.

We are yet to see this strategy... it could fail or it could be "OK"...

wait what? not enough evidence?

Thomas and Dumars are about the only Combo that worked that way and they had alot of great Bigs(Laimber,Rodman etc)

even other winning PGs like Magic and Tony Parker always had Hof Big Men to play with

im not doubting that this combo will win some games maybe even 50+ and get them to the Playoffs

but history shows very,very clearly that investing most of your money in basically one Position is almost never a good idea

the Suns will be alot of Fun to Watch in the coming years no doubt

but i highly doubt they can contend as currently build...

[NaturalBuns]

Here's my reaction upon reading the news:

Lillard is next.

You're comparing Bledsoe to Lillard?

Uhh...

Lillard 20.7ppg, 3.5reb, 5.6assist, FG 42%
Bledsoe 17.7ppg, 4.7reb, 5.5assist,FG 47%

And we don't need to compare them defensively... Right?
Considering Bledsoe literally shares PG duties with another good PG those numbers probably would be better.

The comparisons are not far off either like at all
If you consider the difference in defense.
The main difference is health

[Shem]

Lillard is next.

You're comparing Bledsoe to Lillard?

Uhh...

Lillard 20.7ppg, 3.5reb, 5.6assist, FG 42%
Bledsoe 17.7ppg, 4.7reb, 5.5assist,FG 47%

And we don't need to compare them defensively... Right?
Considering Bledsoe literally shares PG duties with another good PG those numbers probably would be better.

The comparisons are not far off either like at all
If you consider the difference in defense.
The main difference is health

Lillard just finished his second year in the league and made the all star team and all NBA while never missing an NBA game in his career. Meanwhile Bledsoe has played twice as many seasons and hasn't won any of the accolades Lillard has.

Excuse me while I laugh at your comparison again!

[NaturalBuns]

You're comparing Bledsoe to Lillard?

Uhh...

Lillard 20.7ppg, 3.5reb, 5.6assist, FG 42%
Bledsoe 17.7ppg, 4.7reb, 5.5assist,FG 47%

And we don't need to compare them defensively... Right?
Considering Bledsoe literally shares PG duties with another good PG those numbers probably would be better.

The comparisons are not far off either like at all
If you consider the difference in defense.
The main difference is health

Lillard just finished his second year in the league and made the all star team and all NBA while never missing an NBA game in his career. Meanwhile Bledsoe has played twice as many seasons and hasn't won any of the accolades Lillard has.

Excuse me while I laugh at your comparison again!

The Accolades resemble Lillard health vs Bledsoe.

Not the talent because the numbers are similar across the board.

[Shem]

Uhh...

Lillard 20.7ppg, 3.5reb, 5.6assist, FG 42%
Bledsoe 17.7ppg, 4.7reb, 5.5assist,FG 47%

And we don't need to compare them defensively... Right?
Considering Bledsoe literally shares PG duties with another good PG those numbers probably would be better.

The comparisons are not far off either like at all
If you consider the difference in defense.
The main difference is health

Lillard just finished his second year in the league and made the all star team and all NBA while never missing an NBA game in his career. Meanwhile Bledsoe has played twice as many seasons and hasn't won any of the accolades Lillard has.

Excuse me while I laugh at your comparison again!

The Accolades resemble Lillard health vs Bledsoe.

Not the talent because the numbers are similar across the board.

Yet your Suns resisted to give him this contract. It was the Wolves who put the pressure on the Suns and they finally caved (which is the main reason why I laughed). How valuable can he really be to them? I doubt that will happen with Lillard and the Blazers. They'll want to make a deal ASAP!

You also have to consider that Lillard is the second option on the Blazers (Aldridge the first). What would Lillard's numbers be without him there? His clutch shots as he doesn't shy away from the big moment. And he's just getting started. There is no comparison. Non-Blazer fans have been telling you this to your bias Suns view.

[Kerrsed]

Yet your Suns resisted to give him this contract. It was the Wolves who put the pressure on the Suns and they finally caved (which is the main reason why I laughed). How valuable can he really be to them? I doubt that will happen with Lillard and the Blazers. They'll want to make a deal ASAP!

There was no pressure by the Wolves. You mean that report that said they offered him a max contract, when it was financially impossible for them to do so????? That report was BS. They couldnt offer him a max deal. Bledsoe refused to meet with the Suns for negotiations due to the stance that him and Rich Paul took, Max Contract or Bledsoe would take the QO. We were more than willing to meet with them and negotiate a deal, but they were outright refusing to come down from a max contract.

Once Bledsoe and Rich Paul saw that we were sticking to our guns and wouldnt give them that max deal, they finally came to the table to listen to our offers. There was no way in hell Bledsoe was going to play on the QO. They finally came down off their high horse and negotiated on a decent deal for both parties involved.

The Wolves had nothing to do with it. They didnt offer him a max contract. The most that happened with them was they talked to our FO and said they were willing to part with junk contracts for a S&T Bledsoe, and we shut them down. According to our board insider, that discussion took place almost 2 weeks before the bad info media report came out, which was written by Lebron/Rich Paul crone Brian Windhorst.

[Shem]

Yet your Suns resisted to give him this contract. It was the Wolves who put the pressure on the Suns and they finally caved (which is the main reason why I laughed). How valuable can he really be to them? I doubt that will happen with Lillard and the Blazers. They'll want to make a deal ASAP!

There was no pressure by the Wolves. You mean that report that said they offered him a max contract, when it was financially impossible for them to do so????? That report was BS. They couldnt offer him a max deal.

Are you seriously going to play that card? Okay, then it's obvious you were in the dark about it, which is surprising, especially since you're a Suns fan. So let me spell it out for you. The Wolves wanted to offer a max contract to Bledsoe.... now hear me out because this is the part you missed, especially since you failed to acknowledge it... by trying to negotiate a sign-and-trade. It was news all over here. Sorry you missed it! I thought vacation time was over since it's fall and training camp is about to open!

Then shortly afterwards, the Suns finally give Bledsoe what he and his agent held out for. Funny how that happened. But at least you aren't in the dark about it anymore. It should give you something to ponder about. If you doubt it, just Google Bledsoe and Wolves and you'll see.

[JDLAW]

Yet your Suns resisted to give him this contract. It was the Wolves who put the pressure on the Suns and they finally caved (which is the main reason why I laughed). How valuable can he really be to them? I doubt that will happen with Lillard and the Blazers. They'll want to make a deal ASAP!

There was no pressure by the Wolves. You mean that report that said they offered him a max contract, when it was financially impossible for them to do so????? That report was BS. They couldnt offer him a max deal.

Are you seriously going to play that card? Okay, then it's obvious you were in the dark about it, which is surprising, especially since you're a Suns fan. So let me spell it out for you. The Wolves wanted to offer a max contract to Bledsoe.... now hear me out because this is the part you missed, especially since you failed to acknowledge it... by trying to negotiate a sign-and-trade. It was news all over here. Sorry you missed it! I thought vacation time was over since it's fall and training camp is about to open!

Then shortly afterwards, the Suns finally give Bledsoe what he and his agent held out for. Funny how that happened. But at least you aren't in the dark about it anymore. It should give you something to ponder about. If you doubt it, just Google Bledsoe and Wolves and you'll see.

So why didn't the T-wolves offer the max deal?

[lilfishi22]

I am dissapointed by PHXs front office.. This deal could set back the franchise for quite some years.. Those knees and the consequences of the injuries cant be trusted..
I hope they view him as an asset (we know how well that gone for Morey) and trade him when given a not-bad deal.. one can hope...

Same medical staff that brought Stoudemire back healthy and pulled the plug on an extension when they felt his knees wouldn't hold up. I'm going to take their professional opinion.

[lilfishi22]

Pretty good deal but I guess they are banking on the cap rising to also retain Dragic or they might look to trade Dragic before end of the season. Looking at them signing his brother, I think they are going all out to retain all 4 PGs.

We'll have money to take care of him and we brought his brother over (for him). I think we're in his good books so I see no reason he leaves. If anything, Thomas or Ennis will get moved first.

[NaturalBuns]

Lillard just finished his second year in the league and made the all star team and all NBA while never missing an NBA game in his career. Meanwhile Bledsoe has played twice as many seasons and hasn't won any of the accolades Lillard has.

Excuse me while I laugh at your comparison again!

The Accolades resemble Lillard health vs Bledsoe.

Not the talent because the numbers are similar across the board.

Yet your Suns resisted to give him this contract. It was the Wolves who put the pressure on the Suns and they finally caved (which is the main reason why I laughed). How valuable can he really be to them? I doubt that will happen with Lillard and the Blazers. They'll want to make a deal ASAP!

You also have to consider that Lillard is the second option on the Blazers (Aldridge the first). What would Lillard's numbers be without him there? His clutch shots as he doesn't shy away from the big moment. And he's just getting started. There is no comparison. Non-Blazer fans have been telling you this to your bias Suns view.

They would make it happen ASAP because he has no issues with injuries.
You keep talking like on a talent level Lillard is way beyond Bledsoe you need to come down to earth the numbers are in front of you. Lillard has slightly better numbers but also doesn't compensate the defense Bledsoe brings.

They both are the same age by the way and you could say bledsoe is just getting started because he's actually only been a starter for one year... He backed up CP3

[Slava]

Pretty good deal but I guess they are banking on the cap rising to also retain Dragic or they might look to trade Dragic before end of the season. Looking at them signing his brother, I think they are going all out to retain all 4 PGs.

We'll have money to take care of him and we brought his brother over (for him). I think we're in his good books so I see no reason he leaves. If anything, Thomas or Ennis will get moved first.

Depends on where you want to keep spending, you badly need a center and you also have to take care of the twins.

[Kerrsed]

Yet your Suns resisted to give him this contract. It was the Wolves who put the pressure on the Suns and they finally caved (which is the main reason why I laughed). How valuable can he really be to them? I doubt that will happen with Lillard and the Blazers. They'll want to make a deal ASAP!

There was no pressure by the Wolves. You mean that report that said they offered him a max contract, when it was financially impossible for them to do so????? That report was BS. They couldnt offer him a max deal.

Are you seriously going to play that card? Okay, then it's obvious you were in the dark about it, which is surprising, especially since you're a Suns fan. So let me spell it out for you. The Wolves wanted to offer a max contract to Bledsoe.... now hear me out because this is the part you missed, especially since you failed to acknowledge it... by trying to negotiate a sign-and-trade. It was news all over here. Sorry you missed it! I thought vacation time was over since it's fall and training camp is about to open!

Then shortly afterwards, the Suns finally give Bledsoe what he and his agent held out for. Funny how that happened. But at least you aren't in the dark about it anymore. It should give you something to ponder about. If you doubt it, just Google Bledsoe and Wolves and you'll see.

The reports that came out said the Wolveds DID offer Bledsoe a max contract, which was a lie. The Wolves WANTED to offer a max contact, but couldnt. They approached our FO with some lame S&T with them dumping contacts on us and we said no. And how did we give Bledsoe what he and his agent wanted. They held out all summer from talking to us and told us it was either a max contact or they would take the QO. Did he get the 5/$84M max contract that they were holding out for? No. We ended up paying him an extra $2M per year than our opening offer.

No need for you to get all snippy. I can understand that you have been misinformed.

[lilfishi22]

Are you seriously going to play that card? Okay, then it's obvious you were in the dark about it, which is surprising, especially since you're a Suns fan. So let me spell it out for you. The Wolves wanted to offer a max contract to Bledsoe.... now hear me out because this is the part you missed, especially since you failed to acknowledge it... by trying to negotiate a sign-and-trade. It was news all over here. Sorry you missed it! I thought vacation time was over since it's fall and training camp is about to open!

Then shortly afterwards, the Suns finally give Bledsoe what he and his agent held out for. Funny how that happened. But at least you aren't in the dark about it anymore. It should give you something to ponder about. If you doubt it, just Google Bledsoe and Wolves and you'll see.

What card? You mean the card where one team with no cap space say they would offer Bledsoe a max offer? Is that news now? All 29 teams would offer rubbish for Lebron on max deal as well, that isn't exactly a revelation.

Also, let's be clear now, the Suns have offered Bledsoe's team a seat on the table since April and we were ready to negotiate. A few days before training camp starts, Bledsoe and his team finally came to the negotiating table not the other way around. Let's not act like the Suns were in panic mode from non-news.

[lilfishi22]

Pretty good deal but I guess they are banking on the cap rising to also retain Dragic or they might look to trade Dragic before end of the season. Looking at them signing his brother, I think they are going all out to retain all 4 PGs.

We'll have money to take care of him and we brought his brother over (for him). I think we're in his good books so I see no reason he leaves. If anything, Thomas or Ennis will get moved first.

Depends on where you want to keep spending, you badly need a center and you also have to take care of the twins.

It's not ideal but we''re certainly not letting him walk.

[Zelaznyrules]

Yet your Suns resisted to give him this contract. It was the Wolves who put the pressure on the Suns and they finally caved (which is the main reason why I laughed). How valuable can he really be to them? I doubt that will happen with Lillard and the Blazers. They'll want to make a deal ASAP!

There was no pressure by the Wolves. You mean that report that said they offered him a max contract, when it was financially impossible for them to do so????? That report was BS. They couldnt offer him a max deal.

Are you seriously going to play that card? Okay, then it's obvious you were in the dark about it, which is surprising, especially since you're a Suns fan. So let me spell it out for you. The Wolves wanted to offer a max contract to Bledsoe.... now hear me out because this is the part you missed, especially since you failed to acknowledge it... by trying to negotiate a sign-and-trade. It was news all over here. Sorry you missed it! I thought vacation time was over since it's fall and training camp is about to open!

Then shortly afterwards, the Suns finally give Bledsoe what he and his agent held out for. Funny how that happened. But at least you aren't in the dark about it anymore. It should give you something to ponder about. If you doubt it, just Google Bledsoe and Wolves and you'll see.

It's your choice what you do about it but you are far less informed than you think you are.