What are the Sixers doing?

jpengland · Post #201 » by **jpengland** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:03 am

I think everybody is getting a bit excited because of McDaniels' block numbers, he really isn't an especially good player, his shooting is poor, he doesn't pass the ball well and his on ball defense isn't great.

He's a very good prospect as a hustle guy coming off the bench and giving you some fast break points, blocking a shot or two, but because of his early free agency he is going to get paid like a top 3 pick from next season. He's going to get overpaid and Philly had three options:

1. Pay him - They clearly didn't feel that he was worth what he was inevitably going to be offered
2. Try and sign and trade him - Risky as they have no idea if a team with cap space will try to sign him/offer a MLE deal for him, plus they likely wouldn't have got much more value for him, if anything.
3. Trade him now and turn him back into an asset - Which is what they did.

I really, really can't knock any of the moves that Philly are making at the moment, yes on the face of it, it looks like they are going in to 'full tank mode' - but ultimately having MCW and McDaniels isn't going to alter the number of ping pong balls significantly, they are just trying to cash in on assets that didn't fit long term, whilst they can.

If that Lakers pick is top 3 next year, wow.

76ciology · Post #202 » by **76ciology** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:10 am

jpengland wrote:I think everybody is getting a bit excited because of McDaniels' block numbers, he really isn't an especially good player, his shooting is poor, he doesn't pass the ball well and his on ball defense isn't great.

He's a very good prospect as a hustle guy coming off the bench and giving you some fast break points, blocking a shot or two, but because of his early free agency he is going to get paid like a top 3 pick from next season. He's going to get overpaid and Philly had three options:

1. Pay him - They clearly didn't feel that he was worth what he was inevitably going to be offered
2. Try and sign and trade him - Risky as they have no idea if a team with cap space will try to sign him/offer a MLE deal for him, plus they likely wouldn't have got much more value for him, if anything.
3. Trade him now and turn him back into an asset - Which is what they did.

I really, really can't knock any of the moves that Philly are making at the moment, yes on the face of it, it looks like they are going in to 'full tank mode' - but ultimately having MCW and McDaniels isn't going to alter the number of ping pong balls significantly, they are just trying to cash in on assets that didn't fit long term, whilst they can.

If that Lakers pick is top 3 next year, wow.

Problem is it's protected. But it's a good gamble with the likelihood of a lotto pick next year. Probably around the 5-10 range.

naabzor · Post #203 » by **naabzor** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:14 am

They give up on a rookie of the year and it's not that he was that expensive now, they can at least try a little bit more but nope, let's give McGee a chance.

James72 · Post #204 » by **James72** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:16 am

JazzMatt13 wrote:If Sixers draft 2 solid players in this draft, they could be a freaking power house. I hate to be a dick, but I like Philly now Carter-Williams is gone, and now I don't like Bucks as much.

Sixers have incredible trading power, the likes we haven't seen before.

They already have:
Noel
Embiid
(AK47)

They are likely to draft top 3 again, along with a solid teen pick. This draft is loaded with quality guards, and bigs, they are going to draft well this year. I wouldn't be shocked to see them sell off a ton of their picks for better picks, or even sell off Noel or Embiid for more picks.

Just curious, why did you put AK47? Do you think he is a building block for some reason? :lol:

miltk · Post #205 » by **miltk** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:32 am

whatever they're doing they're not drafting well, because if they were drafting well (or tradfing well) they'd be keeping their top drafts. as it is their players have been good but not good enough. bye bye noel

Ymountain · Post #206 » by **Ymountain** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:50 am

No idea why they keep dumping players for draft pick after draft pick but its certainly fascinating to see how Hinkie shapes this roster moving forward. Not that big of a surprise to see them dump MCW, you get the sense they never really beleived in him.

GallagherArt · Post #207 » by **GallagherArt** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:16 am

miltk wrote:whatever they're doing they're not drafting well, because if they were drafting well (or tradfing well) they'd be keeping their top drafts. as it is their players have been good but not good enough. bye bye noel

A big man who at 20 is already one of better defenders in the league and anchoring among the better defenses... Noel has to improve offensively, not regress like MCW seemed to, if MCW was questionable as being apart of the Sixers future and hypothetically on thin ice then he fell through that ice this season.

GallagherArt · Post #208 » by **GallagherArt** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:18 am

naabzor wrote:They give up on a rookie of the year and it's not that he was that expensive now, they can at least try a little bit more but nope, let's give McGee a chance.

They traded for McGee because they were getting a first round pick to take him, he's a player that they can actually flip later on. They traded MCW because they got an even more valuable pick for trading him.

If you can't understand the difference in acquiring McGee for a pick and choosing to keep him and trading MCW for a pick himself than I don't know what to tell you, you don't seem to process information well.

naabzor · Post #209 » by **naabzor** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:11 am

I process information really well, they are going in full tanking mode acquiring picks giving away young prospects that just a year ago were ROY. Come on all 76ers fans were saying that MCW was really good, he was a stud, wait and see yada yada yada... now the trade him and ok it's fine the guy was a not efficient chucker. LOL.

GallagherArt · Post #210 » by **GallagherArt** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:17 am

naabzor wrote:I process information really well, they are going in full tanking mode acquiring picks giving away young prospects that just a year ago were ROY. Come on all 76ers fans were saying that MCW was really good, he was a stud, wait and see yada yada yada... now the trade him and ok it's fine the guy was a not efficient chucker. LOL.

As I mentioned before in this thread, I believe MCW has the potential to be really good and a stud, implore you to still wait and see, however, the Lakers pick is excellent value for him.

There's no way for fans to really deny that MCW is an inefficient scorer (citing his shooting percentages would have done the trick if anybody did), he is and I don't believe there's any data that implies otherwise. Frankly, Sixers' fans before and Bucks' fans now would be delusional to not acknowledge that, however if he would choose his shot selection better then he could be an eventual AS. He is a stat sheet stuffer

miltk · Post #211 » by **miltk** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:13 am

GallagherArt wrote:
miltk wrote:whatever they're doing they're not drafting well, because if they were drafting well (or tradfing well) they'd be keeping their top drafts. as it is their players have been good but not good enough. bye bye noel

A big man who at 20 is already one of better defenders in the league and anchoring among the better defenses... Noel has to improve offensively, not regress like MCW seemed to, if MCW was questionable as being apart of the Sixers future and hypothetically on thin ice then he fell through that ice this season.

so will noel fit with embiid? chemistry is a funny thing. my personal view is the nba is such an offensive sport, i don't think a defensive player is worth anything to a bottom dweller - bottom dwellers need offense. pat ewing, that
"defensive franchise player" turned nyk from a 24-win team INTO A 23-WIN TEAM! he had to learn offense FAST.but i was never a fan of noel - i don't believe in him. i think philly will trade him like they've traded everyone else because i don't think noel will ever be a "keeper" - not the way philly is moving players around anyway. i mean, what is philly waiting for,,,drafting that one franchise player.....

eagereyez · Post #212 » by **eagereyez** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:22 am

mksp wrote:We can be high on MCW and still agree that a 6-10 LAL pick this year (or 4-12 next) is good value for him.

Hinkie is playing for the superstar. MCW was never going to develop into one. He's playing the odds, that's okay from my perspective.

As an aside, anyone who thinks the Lakers with a 37 year old Kobe Bryant, limited and first year PF in Randle and a rookie are (A) going to be an attractive FA destination, or (B) make any type of noise whatsoever next year, are delusional.

Delusional like when Dragic told the Suns that LA is one of his preferred destinations, right? :banghead:

LA is going to have a ridiculous amount of free salary to go after players this off season, and Mitch knows his pick is gone so there's no reason to tank. They're going to win games. Philly fans shouldn't get their hopes up dreaming of a top 10 pick next season.

GallagherArt · Post #213 » by **GallagherArt** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:24 am

miltk wrote:so will noel fit with embiid?

The hope is that they can coexist.

chemistry is a funny thing. my personal view is the nba is such an offensive sport, i don't think a defensive player is worth anything to a bottom dweller - bottom dwellers need offense. pat ewing, that
"defensive franchise player" turned nyk from a 24-win team INTO A 23-WIN TEAM! he had to learn offense FAST.but i was never a fan of noel - i don't believe in him.

Then we have differing opinions.

i think philly will trade him like they've traded everyone else because i don't think noel will ever be a "keeper" - not the way philly is moving players around anyway. i mean, what is philly waiting for,,,drafting that one franchise player.....

Drafting a franchise player would be ideal, wouldn't have to forgo assets then, however having the means to trade for a franchise player becomes plausible. 4 first round picks this season, likely 3 will be yielded, and I honestly don't know how many second round picks, if such a player becomes available down the road than they could easily assemble a worthwhile package.

Village Idiot · Post #214 » by **Village Idiot** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:30 am

If my team chose this route I would be concerned. They are absolutely killing their good-will among players and agents around the league. They're pissing off the NBA and they're alienating their fan-base. Only a certain type of fan wants can get behind trading a recent ROY for yet another 1st round pick in the future. How the heck can you support a team with two skinny block-blocking bigs with no offensive games, no quality wings and no quality backcourt players? It really has gotten to the point that it is unclear if they are actually any better than Kentucky or a Euroleague team and I would have scoffed at that notion up until recently. That has got to the least skilled roster I have ever seen.

GallagherArt · Post #215 » by **GallagherArt** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:37 am

Village Idiot wrote:If my team chose this route I would be concerned. They are absolutely killing their good-will among players and agents around the league. They're pissing off the NBA and they're alienating their fan-base. Only a certain type of fan wants can get behind trading a recent ROY for yet another 1st round pick in the future. How the heck can you support a team with two skinny block-blocking bigs with no offensive games, no quality wings and no quality backcourt players? It really has gotten to the point that it is unclear if they are actually any better than Kentucky or a Euroleague team and I would have scoffed at that notion up until recently. That has got to the least skilled roster I have ever seen.

I know you're referring to Noel as one of the 'skinny shot-blocking bigs with no offensive games', however that is not descriptive of Embiid at all who I have to assume you meant to be the other... Embiid is a big big (260 lbs) who has a burgeoning offensive game and is also a shot blocker. Read a scouting report, lol.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2075 ... t-and-more

Covington is a quality wing, Grant has been improving as well, he's been better than KJ recently which is why I believe he was made expandable. Wroten isn't too bad of a back court player, although he's erratic.

Village Idiot · Post #216 » by **Village Idiot** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:43 am

GallagherArt wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:If my team chose this route I would be concerned. They are absolutely killing their good-will among players and agents around the league. They're pissing off the NBA and they're alienating their fan-base. Only a certain type of fan wants can get behind trading a recent ROY for yet another 1st round pick in the future. How the heck can you support a team with two skinny block-blocking bigs with no offensive games, no quality wings and no quality backcourt players? It really has gotten to the point that it is unclear if they are actually any better than Kentucky or a Euroleague team and I would have scoffed at that notion up until recently. That has got to the least skilled roster I have ever seen.

I know you're referring to Noel as one of the skinny shot-blocking bigs with no offensive game, however that's completely opposite of what Embiid is... Embiid is a big big (260 lbs) who has a burgeoning offensive game.

Covington is a quality wing, Grant has been improving as well. Wroten isn't too bad of a back court player, although he's erratic.

I was actually refering to McGee as the other skinny shot-blocker. I like Embiid plenty but like Saric and all of the picks he's all promise. Also, as a Portland fan Embiid and his injury history reminds me too much of Greg Oden. There's a reason Joel fell to you in the draft.

Covington, Grant and Wroten are all guys who wouldn't get a whole lot of run on a quality team. As a UW alum I love to see Wroten succeeding in the association.

Post #217 » by **QRich3** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:47 am

Question for 6ers fans and people who know the CBA, what was KJ McDaniels max salary for next year? is it still MLE money for 3 years, like when the Rockets signed Lin and Asik out of their rookie contracts?
I liked the MCW trade, but I just can't grasp what's the upside for the McDaniels trade, considering they'll have tons of capspace for years to come and guys like him is exactly what they set out to get in the draft.

GallagherArt · Post #218 » by **GallagherArt** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:52 am

Village Idiot wrote:I was actually refering to McGee as the other skinny shot-blocker.

McGee is lanky, although he's not skinny, listed as 270 lbs.

I like Embiid plenty but like Saric and all of the picks he's all promise. Also, as a Portland fan Embiid and his injury history reminds me too much of Greg Oden. There's a reason Joel fell to you in the draft.

I can understand the apprehensiveness about Embiid with having endured Oden, as a Sixers fan I have to hope he'll endure.

Covington, Grant and Wroten are all guys who wouldn't get a whole lot of run on a quality team. As a UW alum I love to see Wroten succeeding in the association.

Covington should, he's a long wing that can shoot and defend, he's already a legitimate 3 and D player. Grant is too raw so I do agree that he wouldn't get much run on other teams. Wroten is too erratic for my liking, although he flashes potential, hopefully the injury doesn't derail his development too much.

Freefloater · Post #219 » by **Freefloater** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:59 am

shangrila wrote:Basically what it says on the tin.

I can understand trading away older guys like Turner and Hawes, or other veterans. But now they're trading away young pieces like MCW for picks? I don't get it. And giving up McDaniels is just bizarre. He's the exact kind of steal you hope for with a 2nd round pick.

So anyway, can anyone shed some light on this? Sixers fans?

Oh, and I'm not trying to flame here. I'm just legitimately curious as to what's going on in Philly.

You are seriously underrating Isaah Canaan hes a future all-star

Freefloater · Post #220 » by **Freefloater** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:00 pm

QRich3 wrote:Question for 6ers fans and people who know the CBA, what was KJ McDaniels max salary for next year? is it still MLE money for 3 years, like when the Rockets signed Lin and Asik out of their rookie contracts?
I liked the MCW trade, but I just can't grasp what's the upside for the McDaniels trade, considering they'll have tons of capspace for years to come and guys like him is exactly what they set out to get in the draft.

Did you watch Canaan ball?