Will NO regret not taking the Lakers offer?

[dhsilv2]

If you look at history, you will see trade packages that go down in value as the rental period comes down. NO went from having 1.5 years to 1 year this summer and unless AD & dad change heart and mind, the Celtics will offer much less than what NO dream.

They will offer expensive over the hill player like Horford/Hayward, Smart and 6th man Brown plus 2-3 FRPs. Keeps you team average and treading water but no superstar potential.

There's truth to this, however the teams who are most likely to make a play haven't had the lottery play out yet. Their is a lack of information on what some of these picks will be and that plus again the possibility of a boston move. If they think the lakers were offering 25 cents on the dollar and they think there is a 60% chance the celtics can do 50 cents, then you have to risk it. it's just that simple. Throw int he knicks perhaps could do 30 or 40 cents. Maybe someone else now knowing they have all off season to figure things out could come up with a plan.

The lakers offer was good but I think it's legit to not think it was enough to drop the hammer.

This is a simple pricing model and waiting right now looks to have a higher expected return. Had AD made this push 2-3 months ago, I think he'd have been traded because it would have given teams more time to figure this out. He asked so late in the game that deals were too hard to make.

Fair enough but the Lakers went all- in and they are 100% sure it’s nit a rental.

Will others do the same when it’s 1 year left and doubt about a rental? The price is not Boogie or Butler type asset requirement but 100% of asset.

I don’t know if teams have those types of Balls.

I agree the lakers did go all in. I like some of their young guys but I like many others am not sure they have a future allstar in that package. I want to think ingram is that but I'm not sold. The pelicans should hold out for a betters shot at an allstar imo and I think that's out there. It might not come with as many pieces or salary take backs, but that's ok.

There's a good chance the laker's offer was the best they'll get, but that doesn't mean you take it.

If I"m the knicks for example, I'd do anything for AD and he's said he'd resign there. He's listed teams he'd resign with, Boston just happens to not be on the list.

[LAL]

They won’t regret the Lakers package. They’re not a franchise capable of winning so spite is really all they have. On that front the non-deal was a great success. They will regret the Celtics package though if they think it’s actually going to help their team any more than the Lakers offer would.

[clyde21]

Lakers package will still be there in 4 months.

[HMFFL]

I don't believe New Orleans will regret the Lakers offer. It's not enough value and not one of the young talent players appears to be on the path to Superstar status. If Rondo didn't become a free agent at the end of the season he can be moved for more assets, but that's not the case, and the draft picks would be late first round picks.

New Orleans avoids handicapping themselves with future longterm contracts on the LA players that aren't a sure thing.

Boston package is similar. Al Horford should be viewed as no value since he can use his player option to become a free agent.

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[cuyankees]

Lakers package will still be there in 4 months.

Wrong, lost a ton of value losing Zubac, the RFA.

[Dantares]

Knicks should have a top 5 pick
Kevin Knox
Dennis Smith jr
Alonzo trier
Mitchell Robinson
Damyean dotson
And a ton of draft picks.

Lakers can't top that offer. Ingram, kuz and lonzo had a losing record without lebron. At least with Knox and the top 5 pick there is the hope that they can be star players . we have seen enough of the Lakers young players to project that none of them will probably become all stars.

[Vae Victus]

Ainge gonna lowball HARD.

If Tatum MUST be part of the package, then dont expect anything else. I can totally see an offer like this

Tatum + Hayward + SAC FRP (prolly #16-18) + BOS FRP for AD straight up

ESPN critics are gonna say how this is steal of a deal for AD and that it **** all over the Laker package offered at the deadline.

Demps will prolly accept cuz if he doesnt, he'll get destroyed by the media, who will still be slandering the Lakers youth.

Only way Ainge's master plan totally rip off NOP gets derailed is if Tatum gets hurt or he lays an egg in the playoffs.

[clyde21]

Lakers package will still be there in 4 months.

Wrong, lost a ton of value losing Zubac, the RFA.

doubt the deal was gonna hinge on Zubac anyways. NO didn't/weren't gonna do a deal before the deadline even if u had 10 Zubacs.

[michaelm]

What tangible thing did they get?

The chance to make their own choices/choose their own destiny rather than the destiny LA had wrought for LA pre-LeBron.

That's not value gained by denying AD to Lakers. They still can choose that destiny.

That's also not tangible. I don't think I need to define the word tangible to you michael, of all people.

I do know what tangible means, so you have me there, in that what they have gained is intangible currently.

My point was similar to then that made in a later post, that they are not saddled with the contracts of players not of their own choice, some or all of whom they would likely want to trade anyway; why facilitate the Lakers doing a total rebuild with their superstar by taking players not of their choice whom the Lakers didn't want anyway, and making the Lakers problem theirs?.

The only strategy for these small market teams seems to be to hop to draft a superstar and build around that player. perhaps they would rather tank now which I would not find reprehensible seeing their presumed superstar talent has basically been stolen from them. I actually think the best bet for these small market teams is to attempt to draft superstar overseas talent who won't be pining for the bright lights of LA or wherever from the get-go.

I wouldn't have taken the Lakers offer, but if as someone has suggested they had an offer which included Siakam I would have taken that offer; he is considerably better than nothing with Davis able to walk in 18 months anyway, and a great long term piece for pretty much any team imo..

[michaelm]

What tangible thing did they get?

The chance to make their own choices/choose their own destiny rather than the destiny LA had wrought for LA pre-LeBron.

That's not value gained by denying AD to Lakers. They still can choose that destiny.

That's also not tangible. I don't think I need to define the word tangible to you michael, of all people.

I do know what tangible means, so you have me there, in that what they have gained is intangible currently.

My point was similar to then that made in a later post by HMFFL, that they are not saddled with the contracts of players not of their own choice, some or perhaps even all of whom they would likely want to trade anyway; why facilitate the Lakers doing a total rebuild with their superstar by taking players not of their choice whom the Lakers don't want anyway, and make the Lakers problem theirs ?.

The only strategy for these small market teams seems to me to be to hope to draft a superstar and build around that player. perhaps they would rather tank now which I would not find reprehensible seeing their presumed superstar talent has basically been stolen from them. I actually think the best bet for these small market teams is to attempt to draft superstar overseas talent who won't be pining for the bright lights of LA or wherever from the get-go.

I wouldn't have taken the Lakers offer, but if as someone has suggested they had an offer which included Siakam I would have taken that offer; he is considerably better than nothing with Davis able to walk in 18 months anyway, and a great long term piece for pretty much any team imo.

[zimpy27]

The chance to make their own choices/choose their own destiny rather than the destiny LA had wrought for LA pre-LeBron.

That's not value gained by denying AD to Lakers. They still can choose that destiny.

That's also not tangible. I don't think I need to define the word tangible to you michael, of all people.

I do know what tangible means, so you have me there, in that what they have gained is intangible currently.

My point was similar to then that made in a later post by HMFFL, that they are not saddled with the contracts of players not of their own choice, some or perhaps even all of whom they would likely want to trade anyway; why facilitate the Lakers doing a total rebuild with their superstar by taking players not of their choice whom the Lakers don't want anyway, and make the Lakers problem theirs ?.

The only strategy for these small market teams seems to me to be to hope to draft a superstar and build around that player. perhaps they would rather tank now which I would not find reprehensible seeing their presumed superstar talent has basically been stolen from them. I actually think the best bet for these small market teams is to attempt to draft superstar overseas talent who won't be pining for the bright lights of LA or wherever from the get-go.

I wouldn't have taken the Lakers offer, but if as someone has suggested they had an offer which included Siakam I would have taken that offer; he is considerably better than nothing with Davis able to walk in 18 months anyway, and a great long term piece for pretty much any team imo.

Well I think "small market teams" is not the best term to group it because OKC and San Antonio have managed to procure free agents and they each have a bottom 5 market.

I think the attractiveness of the city to live in for a young wealthy guy is probably the most important factor. Weather is a big factor.

I would say Minnesota, Utah, Milwaukee, Memphis, OKC, Detroit. Even these places haven't all needed superstars to compete in deep playoff runs. Memphis, Utah, Detroit have all drafted solid cohesive teams, the other half have relied on superstars.

I don't think the Lakers offer was bad at all since it was for 3 guys under 23 that all have all star potential. I can see New Orleans taking the deal in the offseason. I think the only reason New Orleans struggles to get free agents is that it's poorly run and hasn't had a lot of capspace.

[TMU]

LA's offer will still be there in the offseason. Pels declined because they could potentially entertain a better offer this offseason. It's the right move.

[Sane]

No, because even if they take less, their chances of building a foundation in the future is better in a league where agents don't dictate your franchise's fate.

[rugbyrugger23]

Knicks should have a top 5 pick
Kevin Knox
Dennis Smith jr
Alonzo trier
Mitchell Robinson
Damyean dotson
And a ton of draft picks.

Lakers can't top that offer. Ingram, kuz and lonzo had a losing record without lebron. At least with Knox and the top 5 pick there is the hope that they can be star players . we have seen enough of the Lakers young players to project that none of them will probably become all stars.

This.

NOP should package Davis AND Holiday to Knicks -- take that whole package. If Knicks can only get 1 superstar to say yes, that is an enticing option for Knicks.

Davis | KD | Holiday

OR

Davis | Kawhi | Holiday

OR

Davis | Irving | Holiday

[MotownMadness]

This convo will look so much different when Ainge can actually make a crap offer. Ainge isn’t dumb enough to pay a premium to swap spots with the Pelicans on a disgruntled star on 1 year wanting out.

No GM wants to deal with what Demps is dealing with willingly at the cost of your future no less. Davis already saying he wants out of Boston would essentially be what you guys are claiming Ainge would do.

[LakersSoul]

Lakers were willing to:

1. Trade 3 young potential stars (Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma)
2. Give up 2+ FRPs
3. Take on salary
4. Add vet fillers (Rondo, Lance,KCP)

To this NO asked for 4FRPs and SRPs.

For Boston to beat that, they will have to give up Tatum, Brown, Rozier plus 4 FRPs then add Hortford or Morris (not useless Hayward) while taking back Solomon at a minimum.

Will Ainge do this for a possible rental and gut their team’s future?

[Yoshun]

Knicks should have a top 5 pick
Kevin Knox
Dennis Smith jr
Alonzo trier
Mitchell Robinson
Damyean dotson
And a ton of draft picks.

Lakers can't top that offer. Ingram, kuz and lonzo had a losing record without lebron. At least with Knox and the top 5 pick there is the hope that they can be star players . we have seen enough of the Lakers young players to project that none of them will probably become all stars.

The Lakers had a losing record last season, but all of those guys were in their first season in the league. They won 35 games in a pretty stacked West with essentially a team of rookies. I think people are selling a little too soon on these Laker players. I don't think there are any franchise cornerstone type guys in there, but there is plenty of all-star potential.

All of that said, it didn't make sense for the Pelicans to make any deal until the offseason. Why make a trade now when there will be more offers in the future? AD's value isn't going to suddenly drop over the next several months (save for some freak injury). They can wait and let teams bid against each other

[Rafer24]

Of course they will regret it.

They have to deal with Danny Ainge now, who is gonna offer Brown and second round picks. Good luck.

[Da ThRONe]

We won't regret passing on the Lakers trade, but we will regret passing on the Knicks trade.

[Eskobar13]

Really funny seeing every Lakers fan and I'm guessin Bron fan trying to push the Ainge narrative while ignoring that LAC, Knicks, Chicago and Nuggets could all beat their offer.

Lakers were willing to:

1. Trade 3 young potential stars (Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma)
2. Give up 2+ FRPs
3. Take on salary
4. Add vet fillers (Rondo, Lance,KCP)

To this NO asked for 4FRPs and SRPs.

For Boston to beat that, they will have to give up Tatum, Brown, Rozier plus 4 FRPs then add Hortford or Morris (not useless Hayward) while taking back Solomon at a minimum.

Will Ainge do this for a possible rental and gut their team’s future?

Potential star Kyle Kuzma who is a 4 that can't defend or shoot from 3. Potential star Lonzo who is about to miss at least 50 games through his first 2 season and shoots 45% from the freethrow line. Ingram has the potential, no doubt, but he's far from there. Plus what the hell are 2 FRPs when the Celtics could easily offer 4, or beat those two in value by a lot with just the Mem pick?