D-Lo's max for the Nets is 5/156...do you pay it?

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Do you pay D-Lo his full max?

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Re: D-Lo's max for the Nets is 5/156...do you pay it? 

Post#201 » by Prokorov » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:03 am

Vae Victus wrote:Hahahaha... oh man, DLo developing this fast WASNT supposed to happen THIS year.

Im 100% sure the BRK plan was to tank (since they have their pick), low key develop DLo, yank around his mins to keep his stats low, and then try to keep him on some value deal like 5/75 if BRK whiffs on FAs. Then when DLo is under a value contract, develop him fully to be a future cornerstone piece or good trade bait on a value deal. Instead DLo developed faster than anyone expected, helping the team win games, and basically forcing the issue on being forced to pay top dollar to retain him.


lol tank? hold a player back? DELUSIONAL!

tanking is what you do when you have a 30 year old lin as a PG, not a 22 year old russell all-star PG
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Re: D-Lo's max for the Nets is 5/156...do you pay it? 

Post#202 » by Prokorov » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:09 am

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DaPessimist wrote:Hell no. He's a solid starting PG who plays no defense. Don't let making an All-Star game in the Leastern Conference cloud your view.


^again, you can tell the folks who haven't watched him play a single minute this season by the ones who immediately use the lazy "no defense" analysis.

He's not going to get 31 million dollars a season, but he definitely will get fair market value, whatever that may be.



I admit I don't watch a lot of Nets games. But I watched him play with the Lakers enough to know he will never be a good defender. I don't think he's a lazy defender, he just has concrete feet.


lol... he became a good defender late last year. he has been above average this year... and outstanding when we go zone, which is pretty often, sometimes entire games
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Post#203 » by HEAT33 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:25 am

Give him 80m and then 40 in cash, I’m sure he won’t open his mouth about it.
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Post#204 » by LakersSoul » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:49 pm

HEAT33 wrote:Give him 80m and then 40 in cash, I’m sure he won’t open his mouth about it.


Are you sure? His forever nickname is the “snitch”.

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Post#205 » by kamaze » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:55 pm

Prokorov wrote:
DaPessimist wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
^again, you can tell the folks who haven't watched him play a single minute this season by the ones who immediately use the lazy "no defense" analysis.

He's not going to get 31 million dollars a season, but he definitely will get fair market value, whatever that may be.



I admit I don't watch a lot of Nets games. But I watched him play with the Lakers enough to know he will never be a good defender. I don't think he's a lazy defender, he just has concrete feet.


lol... he became a good defender late last year. he has been above average this year... and outstanding when we go zone, which is pretty often, sometimes entire games


Lies he was a bad defender last year. He's better this year.
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Post#206 » by Prokorov » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:48 pm

kamaze wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
DaPessimist wrote:

I admit I don't watch a lot of Nets games. But I watched him play with the Lakers enough to know he will never be a good defender. I don't think he's a lazy defender, he just has concrete feet.


lol... he became a good defender late last year. he has been above average this year... and outstanding when we go zone, which is pretty often, sometimes entire games


Lies he was a bad defender last year. He's better this year.


every piece of statistical evidence that exsists disagrees with you.

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Post#207 » by Paradise » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:52 pm

GYK wrote:he probably would garner as much as Victor Oladipo. personally would try to sign and trade him to the Suns for picks.

Umm...he’s having an overall better season than Oladipo. What sense would that make?
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Post#208 » by GYK » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:43 pm

Paradise wrote:
GYK wrote:he probably would garner as much as Victor Oladipo. personally would try to sign and trade him to the Suns for picks.

Umm...he’s having an overall better season than Oladipo. What sense would that make?

I would say certainly better contract year. but it makes sense. he's having one season of star level play. there's no reason to offer the max. he proved in the last hour he was worth an extension and now worth the max because a injury all star berth?
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Post#209 » by Laimbeer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:50 pm

It would put him in the middle of this group in salary

3 Russell Westbrook
4 LeBron James
5 Blake Griffin
6 Gordon Hayward
7 Kyle Lowry
8 Paul George
9 Mike Conley
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Post#210 » by Paradise » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:59 pm

GYK wrote:
Paradise wrote:
GYK wrote:he probably would garner as much as Victor Oladipo. personally would try to sign and trade him to the Suns for picks.

Umm...he’s having an overall better season than Oladipo. What sense would that make?

I would say certainly better contract year. but it makes sense. he's having one season of star level play. there's no reason to offer the max. he proved in the last hour he was worth an extension and now worth the max because a injury all star berth?

So, now we’re running with the contract year excuse? He’s 22 Years Old. This is what they do when they mature. Is it impossible that he has figured it out?

You don’t follow the Nets to see his value on and off the court therefore, I wouldn’t expect a casual fan to understand or comprehend how valuable he is to Jarrett Allen, Kurucs, Joe Harris and their breakout seasons or how invested the kid is into the Brooklyn community. He’s embraced more than any ‘star’ has ever been in Brooklyn (Deron Williams) and he is the youngest ever to 500 threes. That isn’t due to being in a contract season. I

He a consensus pick to be an all-star by every fan and media personality including TNT. We all know he was more deserving of a spot than Lowry, Vuecvic. Silver putting him in was doing the right thing. Not doing a good deed of service.

Trying to shoehorn and shorten the respect level of his all-star birth by calling him an injury replacement is quite silly when he still was having an overall better season than the man he is replacing.

We can simply start his salary at $21m since that is his cap hold and negotiate a deal around 5/120 before the summer or after we sign a couple max or B-Tier players this summer and just go over the cap to keep him.

Do casual fans really think we are going to try and swing for elite FAs without locking up a 22 year old all-star? Strange logic. It feels like people still want him to be considered something of a failure.
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Post#211 » by NotaHypeJob » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:16 pm

What's up with the increasing number of fans on this board that only look at TS% and scoring efficiency to decide if a player is good or not? It's not like anyone's watching actual games anymore and just pulls up bbal reference and looks up 3 stats to form their opinion.

Just by watching him you can tell that he has total command of the Brooklyn offense. Even just looking at how much he's approved his assists totals from this year to last, he increased his assists by 1.4 apg and dropped his TO's by 0.1 per game. But I guess that doesn't count as becoming a more efficient offensive player.
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Post#212 » by GYK » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:32 pm

Paradise wrote:
GYK wrote:
Paradise wrote:Umm...he’s having an overall better season than Oladipo. What sense would that make?

I would say certainly better contract year. but it makes sense. he's having one season of star level play. there's no reason to offer the max. he proved in the last hour he was worth an extension and now worth the max because a injury all star berth?

So, now we’re running with the contract year excuse? He’s 22 Years Old. This is what they do when they mature. Is it impossible that he has figured it out?

You don’t follow the Nets to see his value on and off the court therefore, I wouldn’t expect a casual fan to understand or comprehend how valuable he is to Jarrett Allen, Kurucs, Joe Harris and their breakout seasons or how invested the kid is into the Brooklyn community. He’s embraced more than any ‘star’ has ever been in Brooklyn (Deron Williams) and he is the youngest ever to 500 threes. That isn’t due to being in a contract season. I

He a consensus pick to be an all-star by every fan and media personality including TNT. We all know he was more deserving of a spot than Lowry, Vuecvic. Silver putting him in was doing the right thing. Not doing a good deed of service.

Trying to shoehorn and shorten the respect level of his all-star birth by calling him an injury replacement is quite silly when he still was having an overall better season than the man he is replacing.

We can simply start his salary at $21m since that is his cap hold and negotiate a deal around 5/120 before the summer or after we sign a couple max or B-Tier players this summer and just go over the cap to keep him.

Do casual fans really think we are going to try and swing for elite FAs without locking up a 22 year old all-star? Strange logic. It feels like people still want him to be considered something of a failure.

you are coming in hot. I don't care enough to argue this. if they believed it and weren't angling to match they would have already offered an max extension. no what it's like to be apart of a battered fanbase but chill. it's a short stint at quasi all star level and that's it. if you feel he's improved yearly and his potential deserves the max fine. others feel he's proved to be someone who deserves less. he should get as much as he can for himself tho.
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Post#213 » by LakersSoul » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:34 pm

NotaHypeJob wrote:What's up with the increasing number of fans on this board that only look at TS% and scoring efficiency to decide if a player is good or not? It's not like anyone's watching actual games anymore and just pulls up bbal reference and looks up 3 stats to form their opinion.

Just by watching him you can tell that he has total command of the Brooklyn offense. Even just looking at how much he's approved his assists totals from this year to last, he increased his assists by 1.4 apg and dropped his TO's by 0.1 per game. But I guess that doesn't count as becoming a more efficient offensive player.


Anyone knowledgeable will say he has improved. He is an All-Star. The question is: Is he worth near the max?

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Post#214 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:40 pm

drekwins wrote:
ballup wrote:Shouldn't it be 25% and not 30%? He is coming off his rookie contract without any MVPs or All NBAs

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Yes. Assuming 109M Cap and 5% raises:

Year 1 - 27,250,000
Year 2 - 28,612,500
Year 3 - 30,043,125
Year 4 - 31,545,281

4 Years, $117,450,906

Nets can offer:

Year 1: 27,250,000
Year 2: 29,430,000
Year 3: 31,784,400
Year 4: 34,327,152
Year 5: 37,073,324

4 Years, 122,791,552 or 5 Years, 159,864,876

DLo wants to stay, and the Nets want him to stay. Somebody will be willing to offer him a 4 year max, and the Nets would match it.

My guess is he takes a discount and locks in to a 5/$125mil deal with the Nets. Nets will frontload it as much as they can, similar to what Orlando did with Gordon.
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Post#215 » by Trader_Joe » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:53 pm

Prokorov wrote:
DaPessimist wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
^again, you can tell the folks who haven't watched him play a single minute this season by the ones who immediately use the lazy "no defense" analysis.

He's not going to get 31 million dollars a season, but he definitely will get fair market value, whatever that may be.



I admit I don't watch a lot of Nets games. But I watched him play with the Lakers enough to know he will never be a good defender. I don't think he's a lazy defender, he just has concrete feet.


lol... he became a good defender late last year. he has been above average this year... and outstanding when we go zone, which is pretty often, sometimes entire games

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Post#216 » by jonjames » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:56 pm

If Devin Booker is considered a max player then yes you pay him the max. Dlo>Booker
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Post#217 » by DeRoma » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:59 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:
drekwins wrote:
ballup wrote:Shouldn't it be 25% and not 30%? He is coming off his rookie contract without any MVPs or All NBAs

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Yes. Assuming 109M Cap and 5% raises:

Year 1 - 27,250,000
Year 2 - 28,612,500
Year 3 - 30,043,125
Year 4 - 31,545,281

4 Years, $117,450,906

Nets can offer:

Year 1: 27,250,000
Year 2: 29,430,000
Year 3: 31,784,400
Year 4: 34,327,152
Year 5: 37,073,324

4 Years, 122,791,552 or 5 Years, 159,864,876

DLo wants to stay, and the Nets want him to stay. Somebody will be willing to offer him a 4 year max, and the Nets would match it.

My guess is he takes a discount and locks in to a 5/$125mil deal with the Nets. Nets will frontload it as much as they can, similar to what Orlando did with Gordon.


I hope this happens but I'd guess we still need to find a way to keep that cap hold if this do happen so we can go over the cap and do other things with the cap space.
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Post#218 » by kamaze » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:25 pm

Prokorov wrote:
kamaze wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
lol... he became a good defender late last year. he has been above average this year... and outstanding when we go zone, which is pretty often, sometimes entire games


Lies he was a bad defender last year. He's better this year.


every piece of statistical evidence that exsists disagrees with you.

which isnt a suprise since you hate stats and facts, openly admint to not knowing anything about the cap but dont let it stop you from proposing scenarios that arent close to working within the CBA, and have hated on russell since the day he was traded here and are even more mad now that he took your binky jeremy lins job


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Post#219 » by kamaze » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:44 pm

LakersSoul wrote:I doubt Dlo is willing to take less to stay in Brooklyn. I never knew taking less to stay in Brooklyn was a thing.


Based off of these 2 signings it is. I hope he'll settle for less than expect the same contract his boy Devin Booker got

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Post#220 » by TreyKincade » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:31 am

DLo is having a breakout year. But I’d be worried about a player that all of sudden “figures it out“ ina contract year.
He’s not a max player. But I think the Nets will have to overpay to keep him

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