Nothin but Nets

[kamaze]

They were a 6 seed last year. Honestly 42 wins isn't a good record in the east the team just excelled better than everyone expected so fans are excited, sports needs fanatics.

In the west they wouldn't be as good but they're not so what's the point?

This year without Durant I expect Brooklyn to be about a 5th or 6 seed.

[kamaze]

That's if the team gels I can't see the chemistry being as good as last year despite them possibly having put together a better team on paper (I say possibly expecting Durant to be out for the season).

[Kampuchea]

And that’s exactly where you and others are misunderstanding the data I presented. The Nets were a 42 win team not because they had an average/above average starting unit, but because of their depth! I doubt Joe would disagree with that assessment.

The Nets had great depth but that's not the main reason why we won 42 games...

It was the improvement of guys like D Lo, Dinwiddie, Joe harris, which was a huge factor for us.

I’m beating a dead horse here but your starters would not have been regularly outscored if they were above average

This is it exactly. Not sure why it needs to be repeated and people still can't get that simple point. I suppose people cannot look at it objectively when it comes to the team they root for, may as well give up on the topic as it is just going in circles at this point.

[kamaze]

And that’s exactly where you and others are misunderstanding the data I presented. The Nets were a 42 win team not because they had an average/above average starting unit, but because of their depth! I doubt Joe would disagree with that assessment.

The Nets had great depth but that's not the main reason why we won 42 games...

It was the improvement of guys like D Lo, Dinwiddie, Joe harris, which was a huge factor for us.

I’m beating a dead horse here but your starters would not have been regularly outscored if they were above average

Last year's team wasn't a good defensive bunch they won by outscoring you. That's a concern bc the team has had that approach for years they just got good enough to make the playoffs this year.

The Brooklyn NeTS have to embrace defense if they're going to get the best out of these players.

[kamaze]

I keep pointing out over and over again..

Last year the Great All Mighty Nets, finished 1 game ahead of both the Magic & Pistons last season.

Also even with Irving and Jordan additions, if this team was in the WC?

75% of forum would not have them making the playoffs.

Of course Net fans are running from this...

I give you this, next year with KD watch out. This year 1st round playoff exit.

THEY"RE NOT IN THE WEST I'd like to see them get to the 2nd round but that's bc I'm a Nets fan haha. Either way it'll be fun to watch.

[Trader_Joe]

The Nets had great depth but that's not the main reason why we won 42 games...

It was the improvement of guys like D Lo, Dinwiddie, Joe harris, which was a huge factor for us.

I’m beating a dead horse here but your starters would not have been regularly outscored if they were above average

This is it exactly. Not sure why it needs to be repeated and people still can't get that simple point. I suppose people cannot look at it objectively when it comes to the team they root for, may as well give up on the topic as it is just going in circles at this point.

I've addressed that several times and no one has replied to my take on that. Tell me why the Nets can't replace two salary dumps (Carroll, Dudley) and do this year what they have with declining vets and unwanted scrubs (Dinwiddie, Harris) the last few years?

[MapleMamba]

I keep pointing out over and over again..

Last year the Great All Mighty Nets, finished 1 game ahead of both the Magic & Pistons last season.

Also even with Irving and Jordan additions, if this team was in the WC?

75% of forum would not have them making the playoffs.

Of course Net fans are running from this...

I give you this, next year with KD watch out. This year 1st round playoff exit.

THEY"RE NOT IN THE WEST I'd like to see them get to the 2nd round but that's bc I'm a Nets fan haha. Either way it'll be fun to watch.

Of course they are not in the WC.

That does not change the question of if they where?

But hey we all know the answer...

[MapleMamba]

yep, these dudes are hurting bad af right now. they can't stand what's happening. they try to convince themselves that RJ Barrett and their 10 PFs they signed while dumpster diving in free agency will yield fruit, but no one takes them seriously.

Typical Nets fan response. Avoid the question and run from it.

Some Net fans keep pointing to their 42 win
record last season. But it's only +1 better then both the Magic & Pistons record of last season. Yet you see it over and over again in this topic.

But when asked if they really believe, that they would make the playoffs in the WC? They again run from the question.

Step up and have some balls, answer the question.

We all know the answer and so do You.

Ok back to your Knick insults and avoiding the hard questions. By the way the forum not stupid, they understand your running from the question.

Not just one Net fan, but THREE have quoted me and refuse to answer.

What is the question and who is running from what?

Would the Nets make the playoffs in the West?
Who cares???
They play in the East.

Can we ask semi relevant questions?
Like, what if every Net player died would they still finish ahead of the Knicks?
Probably.

I will answer it for you, no you would not.

This team would not even come close to being a playoff contender in the WC.

In the WC you be on the outside looking in. Your team would be considered a easy game. Stars would rest Vs your team.

Your still no better then either the Pistons or the Magic. Heck all three of you, will be with in 3 wins of each other.

This is called a reality check...

[PrinceCliche]

They were a 6 seed last year. Honestly 42 wins isn't a good record in the east the team just excelled better than everyone expected so fans are excited, sports needs fanatics.

In the west they wouldn't be as good but they're not so what's the point?

This year without Durant I expect Brooklyn to be about a 5th or 6 seed.

I think the Nets will have a top 4 seed easy.

[Prokorov]

Just another butt hurt Knicks fan.

Maybe you will actually get the # 1 pick next year.

yep, these dudes are hurting bad af right now. they can't stand what's happening. they try to convince themselves that RJ Barrett and their 10 PFs they signed while dumpster diving in free agency will yield fruit, but no one takes them seriously.

Typical Nets fan response. Avoid the question and run from it.

Some Net fans keep pointing to their 42 win
record last season. But it's only +1 better then both the Magic & Pistons record of last season. Yet you see it over and over again in this topic.

But when asked if they really believe, that they would make the playoffs in the WC? They again run from the question.

Step up and have some balls, answer the question.

We all know the answer and so do You.

Ok back to your Knick insults and avoiding the hard questions. By the way the forum not stupid, they understand your running from the question.

Not just one Net fan, but THREE have quoted me and refuse to answer.

awnser what question exactly?

[Prokorov]

I keep pointing out over and over again..

Last year the Great All Mighty Nets, finished 1 game ahead of both the Magic & Pistons last season.

Also even with Irving and Jordan additions, if this team was in the WC?

75% of forum would not have them making the playoffs.

Of course Net fans are running from this...

I give you this, next year with KD watch out. This year 1st round playoff exit.

THEY"RE NOT IN THE WEST I'd like to see them get to the 2nd round but that's bc I'm a Nets fan haha. Either way it'll be fun to watch.

Of course they are not in the WC.

That does not change the question of if they where?

But hey we all know the answer...

Vegas has nets at 48 wins this year. i think that would get them in the playoffs in the west. i personally have them at 52 wins, with relative health (65 games from Kytrie, 55 from levert, 70 from harris)

[Trader_Joe]

Typical Nets fan response. Avoid the question and run from it.

Some Net fans keep pointing to their 42 win
record last season. But it's only +1 better then both the Magic & Pistons record of last season. Yet you see it over and over again in this topic.

But when asked if they really believe, that they would make the playoffs in the WC? They again run from the question.

Step up and have some balls, answer the question.

We all know the answer and so do You.

Ok back to your Knick insults and avoiding the hard questions. By the way the forum not stupid, they understand your running from the question.

Not just one Net fan, but THREE have quoted me and refuse to answer.

What is the question and who is running from what?

Would the Nets make the playoffs in the West?
Who cares???
They play in the East.

Can we ask semi relevant questions?
Like, what if every Net player died would they still finish ahead of the Knicks?
Probably.

I will answer it for you, no you would not.

This team would not even come close to being a playoff contender in the WC.

In the WC you be on the outside looking in. Your team would be considered a easy game. Stars would rest Vs your team.

Your still no better then either the Pistons or the Magic. Heck all three of you, will be with in 3 wins of each other.

This is called a reality check...

I'm glad you can see the future in your meaningless hypothetical of an alternate universe. I'll stop feeding the you know what now...

[GeorgeMarcus]

I’m beating a dead horse here but your starters would not have been regularly outscored if they were above average

This is it exactly. Not sure why it needs to be repeated and people still can't get that simple point. I suppose people cannot look at it objectively when it comes to the team they root for, may as well give up on the topic as it is just going in circles at this point.

I've addressed that several times and no one has replied to my take on that. Tell me why the Nets can't replace two salary dumps (Carroll, Dudley) and do this year what they have with declining vets and unwanted scrubs (Dinwiddie, Harris) the last few years?

How does that affect whether or not your starters were above or below average last year?

[GeorgeMarcus]

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I'm not replying to the 8 separate posts you quoted me in because that's ridiculous. But from the skimming I did you're still not getting it. For starters, I didn't use +/-. On/off and +/- are not the same. 2nd I never said anything about RHJ other than specifying the amount of minutes he played, which was significant. You're just not getting it so I'm bowing out. This is ridiculous

[kamaze]

I keep pointing out over and over again..

Last year the Great All Mighty Nets, finished 1 game ahead of both the Magic & Pistons last season.

Also even with Irving and Jordan additions, if this team was in the WC?

75% of forum would not have them making the playoffs.

Of course Net fans are running from this...

I give you this, next year with KD watch out. This year 1st round playoff exit.

THEY"RE NOT IN THE WEST I'd like to see them get to the 2nd round but that's bc I'm a Nets fan haha. Either way it'll be fun to watch.

Of course they are not in the WC.

That does not change the question of if they where?

But hey we all know the answer...

The answer can never be proven so I'm busting your balls.

[Trader_Joe]

This is it exactly. Not sure why it needs to be repeated and people still can't get that simple point. I suppose people cannot look at it objectively when it comes to the team they root for, may as well give up on the topic as it is just going in circles at this point.

I've addressed that several times and no one has replied to my take on that. Tell me why the Nets can't replace two salary dumps (Carroll, Dudley) and do this year what they have with declining vets and unwanted scrubs (Dinwiddie, Harris) the last few years?

How does that affect whether or not your starters were above or below average last year?

The bench has and will be a strength under Marks and Atkinson. 9 or 10 guys will play 20-30 minutes. Our bench will win us games like last year. We do you think these bench players are irreplaceable?

[Trader_Joe]

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I'm not replying to the 8 separate posts you quoted me in because that's ridiculous. But from the skimming I did you're still not getting it. For starters, I didn't use +/-. On/off and +/- are not the same. 2nd I never said anything about RHJ other than specifying the amount of minutes he played, which was significant. You're just not getting it so I'm bowing out. This is ridiculous

Your bowing out of your own bait/troll thread? Hilarious.

[Prokorov]

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I'm not replying to the 8 separate posts you quoted me in because that's ridiculous. But from the skimming I did you're still not getting it. For starters, I didn't use +/-. On/off and +/- are not the same. 2nd I never said anything about RHJ other than specifying the amount of minutes he played, which was significant. You're just not getting it so I'm bowing out. This is ridiculous

Smart... continuing to speak out of such ignorance on a team you admit barely watching last year making off the wall statements like Harris is avg and not the biggest piece to the nets offensive machine or that RHJ, Napier, Graham, dudley had some huge hand in the nets success will just continue to dig the hole you dug yourself into.

1) raw on/off with no context is useless
2) the nets 3rd stringers who had good on/off did so in low leverage minutes
3) RHJ was a complete non factor for the nets, or more accuraltely a negative one.
4) Joe harris was the nets most important player ourside russell

the nets imrpoved their bench and PG

[GeorgeMarcus]

I mean, 20 game sample size + obsessive knowledge of the stats is more than enough to speak about the topic intelligently.

missing 80% of nets games and not understanding how terrible a stat plus minus is leads to the ignorance you are spewing here.

i mean, it could not be more clear you know nothing about the nets to say harris is below avg or RHJ was a big part of the nets success, neither could be further from the truth

Basketball reference is a great site but when dudes use it to try and weave a narrative that they have very little understanding of they end up looking stupid.

Context always matters with the numbers. Like you can look at Russell's high usage rate and FGAs and try to say that he was a ball domineering chucker just based off of that when in reality he was the best playmaker on the team and ran the offense better than anyone else.

I only watched the 76ers when they were on national television and in the playoffs. I couldn't fathom sitting here and dictating to Sixers fans the ins and outs of their team just by using basketball reference as a tool. It would be an unbelievably ignorant thing to do, yet here we are being lectured about the Nets roster by a dude that watched "20 games", if that's even true. OP thought this thread would be cute but all it did was expose his own ignorance about the Nets and frankly, basketball statistics in general. Embarrassing.

Your ignorance is on full display. Even the most basic understanding of the stats presented would stop you from posting the things you're posting. Your idea about posting in the Nets forum would have no bearing on the numbers themselves. This isn't the kind of thing where "oh because we saw the games we can override the stark reality of what the numbers tell us". You can't. It just doesn't work that way. I'm sorry. Nothing else to be said though and no way am I going around in a circle again.

[kamaze]

I’m beating a dead horse here but your starters would not have been regularly outscored if they were above average

This is it exactly. Not sure why it needs to be repeated and people still can't get that simple point. I suppose people cannot look at it objectively when it comes to the team they root for, may as well give up on the topic as it is just going in circles at this point.

I've addressed that several times and no one has replied to my take on that. Tell me why the Nets can't replace two salary dumps (Carroll, Dudley) and do this year what they have with declining vets and unwanted scrubs (Dinwiddie, Harris) the last few years?

It can happen. I'll miss the team had last year though last year's team was tight.