If Lebron is the GOAT then how did he allow younger star players to catch him in rings already in his era?

[NeutralObserver]

...finals 8 straight times like he did more impressive than winning multiple rings

...and there you have it, folks.

Losing is more impressive than winning. It takes them a while to get warmed up, but once you get them comfy, stuff like this reveals itself.

Good luck debating people like this.

[DimesandKnicks]

I didn't know Lakers played 4 on 5 since Shaq=2 stars. Bynum a star? What are you smoking, son?

You're right though - Kobe and LeBron aren't on the same level. Kobe's far greater.

I didn't know you wouldn't understand figurative language.

You must be a gen xers that just started watching basketball. Bynum was being talked about as arguably n the best Center in the league at the time, regardless of rather you were alive or not.

The bold is a GREAT EXAMPLE of something that never happened and created by a Lebron cultist hellbent on revisionist history.

You were born after the year 2000.

[DimesandKnicks]

Lebron stans in 2022:

Shannon Brown = Wade
DJ Mbenga = Bosh


"Look how much help Kobe had OFF THE BENCH. If Lebron played with Sasha Vujecic, he'd have 5 rings, too."

Remember when Kobe wanted to be traded from the Lakers after a few season's with a supporting cast that looked like Lebron's Fav's pre-heat?

[DimesandKnicks]

...finals 8 straight times like he did more impressive than winning multiple rings

...and there you have it, folks.

Losing is more impressive than winning. It takes them a while to get warmed up, but once you get them comfy, stuff like this reveals itself.

Good luck debating people like this.

Getting to the finals would imply winning.

[NeutralObserver]

I didn't know you wouldn't understand figurative language.

You must be a gen xers that just started watching basketball. Bynum was being talked about as arguably n the best Center in the league at the time, regardless of rather you were alive or not.

The bold is a GREAT EXAMPLE of something that never happened and created by a Lebron cultist hellbent on revisionist history.

No, it did happen, though not until a few years after L.A. won its last title. He was all-NBA second team in 2012, which means voters considered only Dwight to be a better center.

Nah. Show me multiple instances of people "talking about" Bynum being the "best center in league".

Thanks.

[NeutralObserver]

Kobe has zero argument for best player on his team for 3 of his championships, so stop right there.

And even if some players of Lebron have as many rings as he does, so what? The next tie breaker would be what? Probably either how many Finals overall you've lead your team to, or MVP Awards.
So who wins if we look at those stats next?

What a weak argument. LBJ wasn't best player for his first ring, either. He also needed TWO other stars to win 3 (Wade+Bosh in Miami, Love & Irving in Clevelad). Kobe only had 1 certified star for all 5 of his rings.

Shaq = 2 stars and Bynum and Gasol are two stars. Stop mentioning Kobe in the same breathe as Lebron. They are on different tiers.

Man. Lol. Before 2010, did you EVER think that someone would put Gasol, Bynum, and Shaq in the same sentence? Yikes.

The Kobe hate is real. Lol. Throwing everything but the kitchen sink, I see.

Imagine that, though. All the talk about how Kobe could've been EASILY replaced with 'player x' and Lakers would've won because they had Shaq.

Fast-forward, Kobe replaces the MOST DOMINANT PLAYER EVER with Pau Gasol and Bynum and EXPECTED to win

Humble pie is humble...

[PistolPeteJR]

LeBron has always stacked the deck ever since Miami, apart of the first year with the Lakers. So indeed.

Couldn’t trust himself to a FO to draft anyone even two tiers below a Pippen or a Rodman, so he took it into his own hands. Not like he joined the team that beat him, which also happens to be the same team to set the regular season record for wins that year.

You are trying to move your goal post and make new argument.

Not at all. One FO brought about success, the other didn’t. So one star took matters into their own hands, since they could, and the other didn’t. It’s simple.

[-Sammy-]

The bold is a GREAT EXAMPLE of something that never happened and created by a Lebron cultist hellbent on revisionist history.

No, it did happen, though not until a few years after L.A. won its last title. He was all-NBA second team in 2012, which means voters considered only Dwight to be a better center.

Nah. Show me multiple instances of people "talking about" Bynum being the "best center in league".

Thanks.

Bynum received 33 first-place all-NBA votes in 2012, which means 33 of the 112 voters had him as the league's best center that season.

You're more than welcome!

[IgorK]

I didn't know you wouldn't understand figurative language.

You must be a gen xers that just started watching basketball. Bynum was being talked about as arguably n the best Center in the league at the time, regardless of rather you were alive or not.

The bold is a GREAT EXAMPLE of something that never happened and created by a Lebron cultist hellbent on revisionist history.

No, it did happen, though not until a few years after L.A. won its last title. He was all-NBA second team in 2012, which means voters considered only Dwight to be a better center.

Bynum played great for about 3 years, and then quit after his knee injury. He was never a STAR PLAYER - making All-Star game once does not make him on the same tier as Bosh and Wade. Is this really that difficult of a concept to grasp?

[Gooner]

Lebron stans in 2022:

Shannon Brown = Wade
DJ Mbenga = Bosh


"Look how much help Kobe had OFF THE BENCH. If Lebron played with Sasha Vujecic, he'd have 5 rings, too."

It wouldn't shock me at all. They are that desperate.

[NeutralObserver]

No, it did happen, though not until a few years after L.A. won its last title. He was all-NBA second team in 2012, which means voters considered only Dwight to be a better center.

Nah. Show me multiple instances of people "talking about" Bynum being the "best center in league".

Thanks.

Bynum received 33 first-place all-NBA votes in 2012, which means 33 of the 112 voters had him as the league's best center that season.

You're more than welcome!

Lol. I admit, you guys chose "center" instead of "big man" for strategy.

Rofl @ Tyson Chandler being "in the discussion", too.

I'm sure you don't care, though. You proved your point.

[NeutralObserver]

Bizarre.

You ever think about why LeBron stans DON'T give Kobe credit for his numbers and success in the Western Conference playoffs (against better competition), but INSIST that we give LeBron the glory for his success against worst competition?

Look, players who've played in the West are just held to higher standards due to competition. It is what it is. This goes for Duncan, Kobe, Kawhi, KD, Westbrook, Curry, and Harden. This is why you have to respect these guys more for playing the majority of their career in the major leagues.

[NeutralObserver]

Before LeBron, what other player had a fanbase that wanted us to think that "making the finals" is an individual accomposhment, but winning a ring is a team accomplishment? Lol. In all honesty, can you think of one?

Listen to these guys. Just process what they're saying and pick them apart...

[JN61]

Couldn’t trust himself to a FO to draft anyone even two tiers below a Pippen or a Rodman, so he took it into his own hands. Not like he joined the team that beat him, which also happens to be the same team to set the regular season record for wins that year.

You are trying to move your goal post and make new argument.

Not at all. One FO brought about success, the other didn’t. So one star took matters into their own hands, since they could, and the other didn’t. It’s simple.

Argument was it's a team sport and winning is a lot about your team, I just pointed out that since 2010 no doubt James have had strongest supporting cast overall this decade. So don't downplay his teams, since he have had everything anyone could ever dream of in terms of teammates.

[freethedevil]

You are trying to move your goal post and make new argument.

Not at all. One FO brought about success, the other didn’t. So one star took matters into their own hands, since they could, and the other didn’t. It’s simple.

Argument was it's a team sport and winning is a lot about your team, I just pointed out that since 2010 no doubt James have had strongest supporting cast overall this decade. So don't downplay his teams, since he have had everything anyone could ever dream of in terms of teammates.

I'm sorry, do you judge supporting casts by looking at the top 3 players, assuming health, and ignoring everything else?

The supporting cast bit is really only arguable for 2011. Wade and bosh's injuries and missing games takes out 2012, 2013, or 2014 from the discussion, kyrie and lobe's injuries, take 2015 out from the discussion, and there's zero case he had the best cast post 2015.

[Jaebality]

how the hell did this thread that started off with such a ridiculous argument get to 11 pages...shoulda ended after the first reply

[freethedevil]

The bold is a GREAT EXAMPLE of something that never happened and created by a Lebron cultist hellbent on revisionist history.

No, it did happen, though not until a few years after L.A. won its last title. He was all-NBA second team in 2012, which means voters considered only Dwight to be a better center.

Bynum played great for about 3 years, and then quit after his knee injury. He was never a STAR PLAYER - making All-Star game once does not make him on the same tier as Bosh and Wade. Is this really that difficult of a concept to grasp?

You are aware lebron played with boash an dwade for only 4 seasons. And only one season before injuries?

[ProspectPark]

No, it did happen, though not until a few years after L.A. won its last title. He was all-NBA second team in 2012, which means voters considered only Dwight to be a better center.

Bynum played great for about 3 years, and then quit after his knee injury. He was never a STAR PLAYER - making All-Star game once does not make him on the same tier as Bosh and Wade. Is this really that difficult of a concept to grasp?

You are aware lebron played with boash an dwade for only 4 seasons. And only one season before injuries?

Bosh was injured too now?

[DimesandKnicks]

The bold is a GREAT EXAMPLE of something that never happened and created by a Lebron cultist hellbent on revisionist history.

No, it did happen, though not until a few years after L.A. won its last title. He was all-NBA second team in 2012, which means voters considered only Dwight to be a better center.

Bynum played great for about 3 years, and then quit after his knee injury. He was never a STAR PLAYER - making All-Star game once does not make him on the same tier as Bosh and Wade. Is this really that difficult of a concept to grasp?

There is no doubt in my mind now that your are a Gen Xer that wasn't alive at that time. HE WAS ALL NBA 2ND TEAM. That means he was considered the second best center in the league. This isn't debatable. Don't get snappy because YOU were playing in the sandbox when Bynum putting in work.

[DimesandKnicks]

The bold is a GREAT EXAMPLE of something that never happened and created by a Lebron cultist hellbent on revisionist history.

No, it did happen, though not until a few years after L.A. won its last title. He was all-NBA second team in 2012, which means voters considered only Dwight to be a better center.

Nah. Show me multiple instances of people "talking about" Bynum being the "best center in league".

Thanks.

Watch on YouTube

That's Shaquille O'neal. He was a center for the Lakers who dominated before you were born and is considered the most dominant player to ever play the game. This is a video of him saying Andrew Bynum is the best center in the league.