Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ) 

Post#201 » by Swish1906 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-brazil-favela-overcrowded-deaths-rio-de-janiero-a9416986.html

‘It will kill a lot of people’: Brazil’s overcrowded favelas brace for coronavirus

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-brazil-favela-overcrowded-deaths-rio-de-janiero-a9416986.html?jwsource=cl



The people living in the favelas are pretty young in terms of median age of population, so hopefully it doesn't do that much damage.


You ever visited one and the people living in it?
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Post#202 » by bondom34 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:44 pm

I'm learning more and more the idea of infectious disease seems pretty foreign to many (not really here but elsewhere). The idea of only quarantining the most at risk is the most insanely risky and harmful idea to pursue and we've gone from "this won't be bad" to "this is bad but we need to get to work in the morning and this is inconvenient"
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Post#203 » by bravor » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:49 pm

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LKN wrote:HAHAHAHA - you got me :-)

(My wife went not me btw).

And hey - I've deleted a lot of my own posts :-)


Serious reminder.


France --- you also have to sign a form from what I read. There's a curfew. You can't be outside.


I offer myself to walk humans during the quarantine.


Curfew is not generalized (yet). It has been implemented in areas/cities where some poeple - minority, but in situation it's a major problem - thought they could outsmart the contingement rules. Fines being extremely expensive, stubborn a**holes should be less and less a matter of concern.

The main issue we have is with some areas with 'bad' clusters (basically retirement homes where some 'visitors' contaminated some old patients) even though our medical employees & doctors are starting to pay a heavy toll like what happened with our neighbours and originally with China. Mostly because of the lack of tests/masks & other protecting devices.

And quarantine is used to slower the contamination spread so that equipment can be dispatched where the people need it the most. Keep in mind that a vast majority of people get cured, a lot without even knowing they had been contaminated.
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Post#204 » by Optimus_Steel » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:52 pm

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EH15 wrote:Why isn't Florida in lock down? What are they waiting for?
They are in denial that we have a problem. It's so hard to get tested. Pretty much all businesses are still open.

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This is my guess from following Florida politics, our politicians do anything for big business. Big business wants something they get it, no questions asked. They want a law removed or added, it's done. They want tax cuts, despite the fact that Florida has very low corporate taxes they get it. The mantra is Florida is open for business.
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Post#205 » by basketballRob » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:52 pm

DowJones wrote:FEMA is distributing 8 million N95 masks and 13.3 million surgical masks, with NY and Washington getting a larger share of them. That is great news as masks are something that is badly needed on the front lines.
That's a great start, they'll need 3.5 billion of them.

I also heard them say any American that wants a test, can have a test. That was a few weeks ago and still people can't get tested.


https://www-washingtonpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/19/change-us-law-will-make-millions-more-masks-available-doctors-nurses-white-house-says/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&outputType=amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15850037914993&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fbusiness%2F2020%2F03%2F19%2Fchange-us-law-will-make-millions-more-masks-available-doctors-nurses-white-house-says%2F

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Post#206 » by Bandit King » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:57 pm

And I’m waiting for that stimulus check from the government
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Post#207 » by Stillwater » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:57 pm

bondom34 wrote:I'm learning more and more the idea of infectious disease seems pretty foreign to many (not really here but elsewhere). The idea of only quarantining the most at risk is the most insanely risky and harmful idea to pursue and we've gone from "this won't be bad" to "this is bad but we need to get to work in the morning and this is inconvenient"

Meanwhile the majority of CEO's are MIA to the eyes of the hourly rats and bees , of course that is almost always the case anyway so noone notices or knows where or why.
Until enough people are dead from all walks of life , nothing will be done that hasn't already be done and we will just have to fend for ourselves like we already are. It's the people whos essential jobs that are not actually essential that wont be there to come back to if they stay home
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Post#208 » by Optimus_Steel » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:01 pm

bondom34 wrote:I'm learning more and more the idea of infectious disease seems pretty foreign to many (not really here but elsewhere). The idea of only quarantining the most at risk is the most insanely risky and harmful idea to pursue and we've gone from "this won't be bad" to "this is bad but we need to get to work in the morning and this is inconvenient"
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Post#209 » by Courtside » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:02 pm

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Putting my cynic hat on for a moment...

I can guarantee you that insurance and government actuaries have run the numbers many times over. It's their job. There is no doubt that they know how much downstream money is saved for every senior or health care reliant citizen that dies. Spending now is offset by savings later. If millions die, it could be 100s of billions or even trillions saved for every year that they are no longer alive, since they are net negatives to the economic function of society.

Our entire taxation and pension structures are pyramid schemes, requiring constant population growth at the bottom of the pyramid (taxpayers from 20 to 65) to pay for those at the top, who are living longer than ever and draining coffers for many more years than the system was designed for. People's bodies often live longer than their minds, or beyond their quality of life, when prior to the 19th century, they would have been purged from the population at at earlier stage. Nature just handed mankind an opportunity to correct the numbers a bit and stave off a collapse of the pyramid.

Further, this is more or less going to knock back our pollution and carbon emissions back to 60s levels for a few years, maybe more. The actions needed to combat global warming have just been forced on us by nature. The financial savings of not having to go through all the struggles and offset costs have been handled for us by nature. The benefit to the world in terms of the environment will be massive, unfortunately it will be the developed nations that benefit from these savings and the harder hit developing nations that were counting of carbon offset money to come in will be left in ruin.

Imagine for a moment if the WHO made the decision to delay action *on purpose* to allow this to happen? Imagine if over a period of 3-5 years this removes 5-10 percent of the (mostly) weakest among us? It's insane to imagine, but nature will have done for us what we would be unwilling to do ourselves. Then if you take that further, and think some in the government or CDC may have had a similar thought and decided that a delay in action could cause these things to cascade into a place that would ultimately be for the good of the world (in their mind, of course).

As stupid as he was to say it the way he did, Trump is not actually wrong when he says that millions die in car accidents every year and the world does not stop turning. It could be they are simply trying to find the balancing point between short term anti-COVID measures with an attempt at normalcy while *allowing* COVID to slowly cull the weakest from the human herd.

It's as though nature has decided to go Thanos on humanity and do things we would never be allow ourselves to do.

I'm not in any way condoning this, but consider it a thought experiment, if nothing else.

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Post#210 » by Ayt » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:06 pm

Je K wrote:
LKN wrote:Uh, Where's Fauci? Isn't that 2 days in a row now?

Yeah he wasn't there yesterday either. Kind of disappointing because he's been the main reason I watch these.


But Mr. Trump has become frustrated with Dr. Fauci’s blunt approach at the briefing lectern, which often contradicts things the president has just said, according to two people familiar with the dynamic.

Mr. Trump knows that Dr. Fauci is seen as credible with a large swath of the public and with journalists, and so he has given him more leeway to contradict him than he has other officials. But the president has also resisted portraying the virus as an existential threat in a way that the public health experts have.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-restrictions.html
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Post#211 » by bigfnjoe96 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:14 pm

Watching Contagion right now. So prophetic it ain't even funny
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Post#212 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:14 pm

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MagicBagley18 wrote:The list of essential places to remain open in my state is weird- literally harder to find places that aren’t deemed essential than those that are. I’m not joking and I’m seriously want to be educated here but how is “bicycle repair shop” an essential place of business ?


any other examples? bicycle shops are open so people can use bikes as forms of exercise with social distancing as well as transportation.


Yeah, grocery store workers may ride their bike. Most repair shops should be open.
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Post#213 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:14 pm

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basketballRob wrote:
EH15 wrote:Why isn't Florida in lock down? What are they waiting for?
They are in denial that we have a problem. It's so hard to get tested. Pretty much all businesses are still open.

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This is my guess from following Florida politics, our politicians do anything for big business. Big business wants something they get it, no questions asked. They want a law removed or added, it's done. They want tax cuts, despite the fact that Florida has very low corporate taxes they get it. The mantra is Florida is open for business.


Apologize if this has already been posted. I imagine its stuff like this (not just in Florida but anywhere with slow response):
https://www.newsweek.com/lake-worth-beach-omari-hardy-covid-19-1493607?amp=1

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Post#214 » by Hook_Em » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:18 pm

According to the Dr at the press conference more than 99% of deaths in Europe are over the age of 50 and the victims had 3 or more preexisting health problems.
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Post#215 » by zimpy27 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:18 pm

bondom34 wrote:I'm learning more and more the idea of infectious disease seems pretty foreign to many (not really here but elsewhere). The idea of only quarantining the most at risk is the most insanely risky and harmful idea to pursue and we've gone from "this won't be bad" to "this is bad but we need to get to work in the morning and this is inconvenient"


There's a "Chinese virus" joke in here.

But yes, the thought process would have to be: "people most at risk need to stay isolated" > "people at risk are considered at risk because they have health problems" > "most of those health problems need help in monitoring and treating" > "that requires people seeing them to help them" > "anyone working with at risk people should also isolate" > "most helpers are working for money for their family" > "family of health workers should also isolate"... and so forth.

Most people stop thinking at step one or two.
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Post#216 » by Courtside » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:20 pm

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Optimus_Steel wrote:
basketballRob wrote:They are in denial that we have a problem. It's so hard to get tested. Pretty much all businesses are still open.

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This is my guess from following Florida politics, our politicians do anything for big business. Big business wants something they get it, no questions asked. They want a law removed or added, it's done. They want tax cuts, despite the fact that Florida has very low corporate taxes they get it. The mantra is Florida is open for business.


Apologize if this has already been posted. I imagine its stuff like this (not just in Florida but anywhere with slow response):
https://www.newsweek.com/lake-worth-beach-omari-hardy-covid-19-1493607?amp=1



That guy just pushed himself to the front of the line to be their next mayor. Good on him for calling that **** out.
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Post#217 » by LKN » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:20 pm

Hook_Em wrote:According to the Dr at the press conference more than 99% of deaths in Europe are over the age of 50 and the victims had 3 or more preexisting health problems.


The bad news is that Americans have tons of pre-existing health problems.

Obesity, diabetes, hypertension, etc
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Post#218 » by Hook_Em » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:21 pm

LKN wrote:
Hook_Em wrote:According to the Dr at the press conference more than 99% of deaths in Europe are over the age of 50 and the victims had 3 or more preexisting health problems.


The bad news is that Americans have tons of pre-existing health problems.

Obesity, diabetes, hypertension, etc


Yep. I overheard two smokers bitching about it yesterday. I wanted to say you’re already killing yourselves.
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Post#219 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:21 pm

LKN wrote:Uh, Where's Fauci? Isn't that 2 days in a row now?


He got fired after laughing at Trump a couple days ago...or making that face and covering his face.
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Post#220 » by Zenzibar » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:23 pm

Je K wrote:
LKN wrote:Uh, Where's Fauci? Isn't that 2 days in a row now?

Yeah he wasn't there yesterday either. Kind of disappointing because he's been the main reason I watch these.



Dr. Fauci has a responsibility beyond agreeing with the President. It's obvious he's has had a fallout and cannot back Trump's lifting of these regulations so early. It's for Wall Street and not for the People who support them.

Guys wake the fk up. This new decision by Trump is not about us the People.

This is going to be a super heavyweight fight between Trump and Governor Cuomo.
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