Paul George: Doc Rivers tried to use me like JJ Redick + made no playoff adjustments.

[The Rebel]

All you guys jumping on PG are giving Doc too much credit, yes he has a ring, but please it's no secret he lacks making meaningful and timely adjustments. That's always been a huge flaw of his.

How is he going to adjust to his 2 stars playing worse as the games were going and his bench scorers having trouble scoring? What was he going to do? Kawhi, George, Harrell, and Williams did not do their jobs, that is not on the coach.

[ATRAIN53]

So this pod isn't up yet?

I went looking for it yesterday and the latest posed was their convo with Brandon Marshall-
(which is a good listen, I still love Marshall and salty how his Bears tenue ended)

I wanted to hear the whole thing. Is it out there and I just didn't see it?

[Homer38]

Doc is the most overrated coach there is.

No doubt. I hope Philly is his last chance to prove he's nothing more than a fraud. For years I've said that his 2008 championship was a product of an unprecedented collection of star talent combined with the best defensive assistant coach in the league at the time. His coaching had less to do with that title than people realize.

Not only that, but the 08 Celtics have the worst postseason record for a championship team ever, going 16-10 I believe and playing down to their competition several times.

and 3-9 on the road.

[Camping Fan]

But every star is nothing without good coaching. The coach is in a position to see the good and the ugly, so if Rivers didn't make any adjustments, he is to be blamed and I remember a lot of fans complaining about that... Its a legitimate point

Every star like who? We seen plenty stars with bad coaches .

Doc isn't shooting the ball off the side of the goal. Bad coaching got them up 3-1 and double digit leads in every loss ? Coaching wasn't great but PG have no business talking about coaching adjustments after his post season play.

Then lying about how he was used like video and stats don't exist lol

This is the thing. It looked like the Lakers were going to run out of gas in the bubble IMO and then you see the way they played in the last couple of rounds (not every game was pretty) and that is how a team that is together and wanting 1 thing, 1 common goal, plays.
I'm not saying coach Vogel isn't good because he clearly is, and IMO Doc Rivers is possibly the most overrated coach going around (motivational? Give me a break) but the Lakers' leadership was on another level. That started with the top and went all the way down to the bottom of the roster.
PG needs to just watch the entire POs, watch the effort that went into it, not just from the Lakers, but the Nuggets, Celtics and Heat too, and realize there is another gear leaders get to. Not just on the court, off the court, having the respect of your teammates and them knowing you have their best interests at heart too. It's a process and it doesn't just happen when you get to the 1st, 2nd round of the POs etc.
I don't see that type of commitment from PG, can anyone actually see that? KL is an assassin on the floor, but does he pull the team together when it matters? Will he have their back when the chips are down? Sometimes, sure. I put him in the same class. I get the feeling that in Toronto Lowry was much more important than we give credit for (Raptors fans excluded).
Long story short, PG and the Clippers will never, ever win a title with the attitude that exists amongst the playing ranks right now. It simply won't happen, they're not good enough in a series that will shift, which when you get to the pointy end, most will.
Here's hoping the Clippers can stop throwing everyone else under the bus and focus on one goal because when you play with one eye looking over your shoulder you don't have your eyes on the prize.

I've seen a few teams give up on their coach, and this was not the second time a team choked under Rivers. I thought from the beginning that Davis and Lebron was better than George and Leonard and I thought from the beginning, they both had the wrong attitudes. You could see it

[UNCBlue012]

PG is an ass.

[Biff]

No doubt. I hope Philly is his last chance to prove he's nothing more than a fraud. For years I've said that his 2008 championship was a product of an unprecedented collection of star talent combined with the best defensive assistant coach in the league at the time. His coaching had less to do with that title than people realize.

Agreed. That Boston team was so damn good. Only injuries derailed a dynasty. No offense to you guys but had KG been able to stay healthy, I think Boston definitely would have won at least 1 more ring, if not 2 more. They took that Magic team you faced in the finals to 7 games without KG in 2009. And while he played in 2010, he definitely had lost a bit since 2008. He just never looked the same after those knee injuries.

Injuries are part of the game. Most champions were benefactors of an injury on the opposing team. That's just the way it is.

I do think KG went all-in in 2008 and was never the same after. That was the ultimate "super nova" season I've ever witnessed in league history from a superstar.

100%. Which is why you guys won in 09 and 10 and not them. But still, as you said, KG in 08 was just nuts. Obviously you don't mind having those 2 more banners in the rafters but as a third party, I really wish KG could have stayed healthy and we would have been able to see that team at full health for another season or two.

[NZB2323]

Doc is the only coach to ever blow 3 3-1 leads. No other coach has blown 2. What series has doc made proper adjustments or had a good offensive system?

Orlando: let T-Mac do his thing
Boston: worst record in the league, didn’t get Durant, but got the big 3, just let Thibbs practice defense in practice because the offense would come. They won the championship but also let the Hawks take them to 7 in the first round.
Clippers: despite having CP3 and Blake never make the Conference Finals, then he doesn’t make the conference finals with Kawhi and PG13.

I think the 76ers will be better next year because they can’t be worse and their roster first better, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they blow a lead in the 2nd round.

[IgorK]

Agreed. That Boston team was so damn good. Only injuries derailed a dynasty. No offense to you guys but had KG been able to stay healthy, I think Boston definitely would have won at least 1 more ring, if not 2 more. They took that Magic team you faced in the finals to 7 games without KG in 2009. And while he played in 2010, he definitely had lost a bit since 2008. He just never looked the same after those knee injuries.

Injuries are part of the game. Most champions were benefactors of an injury on the opposing team. That's just the way it is.

I do think KG went all-in in 2008 and was never the same after. That was the ultimate "super nova" season I've ever witnessed in league history from a superstar.

100%. Which is why you guys won in 09 and 10 and not them. But still, as you said, KG in 08 was just nuts. Obviously you don't mind having those 2 more banners in the rafters but as a third party, I really wish KG could have stayed healthy and we would have been able to see that team at full health for another season or two.

Yeah and I wish Karl Malone doesn't mess up his knee in '04. Or Worthy in '91. Or Wilkes in '84. You get the point.

[OkcSinceSGA]

PG in his presser today said the following:

"I am to blame in this situation just as much as anybody else". Basically clearing air that it came off the wrong way, and that he takes full responsibility for the team choking the 3-1 lead and his comments about the team not making adjustments was just a part of the issue, not in place of the players themselves failing to perform.

"I'm my toughest critic, at the end of the day. I know what's not good and what's not acceptable. Last year was an unacceptable year for me. I know that".

[alebaba]

You lose each game the same way it’s clearly something done wrong. I don’t see see other coaches getting 3-1 beat this often

The wrong is your stars going ice cold in the 4th 3 games in a row.

But every star is nothing without good coaching. The coach is in a position to see the good and the ugly, so if Rivers didn't make any adjustments, he is to be blamed and I remember a lot of fans complaining about that... Its a legitimate point

Stars dont need a coach to put the ball in the bucket, you think Jordan was having trouble scoring before Phil Jackson?

[Camping Fan]

The wrong is your stars going ice cold in the 4th 3 games in a row.

But every star is nothing without good coaching. The coach is in a position to see the good and the ugly, so if Rivers didn't make any adjustments, he is to be blamed and I remember a lot of fans complaining about that... Its a legitimate point

Stars dont need a coach to put the ball in the bucket, you think Jordan was having trouble scoring before Phil Jackson?

How many championships did he win without Phil Jackson?

Answer:. Zero

[John Murdoch]

Has Reddick commented on this at all on his podcast?

[Tim Kempton]

PG in his presser today said the following:

"I am to blame in this situation just as much as anybody else". Basically clearing air that it came off the wrong way, and that he takes full responsibility for the team choking the 3-1 lead and his comments about the team not making adjustments was just a part of the issue, not in place of the players themselves failing to perform.

"I'm my toughest critic, at the end of the day. I know what's not good and what's not acceptable. Last year was an unacceptable year for me. I know that".

That's nice but he kinda buried the lede. He should've led with that instead of laying it all on Doc and ultimately being proven to be a liar.

Not excusing Doc from lack of adjustments. I think PG is telling the truth on that one. But the rest is complete BS. He's an infant who only takes responsibility when he is backed into a corner. Him and Kawhi have to be the most unlikable pair of "stars" in the league.

[xinxin]

Injuries are part of the game. Most champions were benefactors of an injury on the opposing team. That's just the way it is.

I do think KG went all-in in 2008 and was never the same after. That was the ultimate "super nova" season I've ever witnessed in league history from a superstar.

100%. Which is why you guys won in 09 and 10 and not them. But still, as you said, KG in 08 was just nuts. Obviously you don't mind having those 2 more banners in the rafters but as a third party, I really wish KG could have stayed healthy and we would have been able to see that team at full health for another season or two.

Yeah and I wish Karl Malone doesn't mess up his knee in '04. Or Worthy in '91. Or Wilkes in '84. You get the point.

yeah & like you, I will keep pointing out that the 2008 Lakers didnt have its starting center, Andrew bynum and its starting SF , Trevor Ariza, in the line up.. people keep ignoring that.. but always quick to point out how great the 2008 Celtics team was & how it could have won more if they stayed healthy... you can say the same for the Kobe -Pau lakers team, had they stayed healthy, we could be looking at a 3-peat for them and not just a back to back...

[xinxin]

PG in his presser today said the following:

"I am to blame in this situation just as much as anybody else". Basically clearing air that it came off the wrong way, and that he takes full responsibility for the team choking the 3-1 lead and his comments about the team not making adjustments was just a part of the issue, not in place of the players themselves failing to perform.

"I'm my toughest critic, at the end of the day. I know what's not good and what's not acceptable. Last year was an unacceptable year for me. I know that".

good for the clippers PR machine to prepare a statement for its No. 2 star..

but then again, which is more credible, what he said in a very casual manner, while talking to fellow NBA players or this BS that he probably had to read from a sheet of paper.?

we all know what PG thinks of himself.. "Playoff P".. "it's not a win or bust season". "I wasn't used properly".. those are top of mind statements coming from him... not something he had to be coached about what to say...

the new season is a few days away, we're going to find out soon if PG has really learned his lesson and owned up to his own failures.

[Baski]

At this point it's pretty obvious that Paul George is a compulsive liar who will say whatever makes him look good at the moment. No idea why anyone including Clippers fans would feel the need to defend him for this. In this very thread he's been outed as a liar yet again. What exactly are you defending here?

[TheNewEra]

PG in his presser today said the following:

"I am to blame in this situation just as much as anybody else". Basically clearing air that it came off the wrong way, and that he takes full responsibility for the team choking the 3-1 lead and his comments about the team not making adjustments was just a part of the issue, not in place of the players themselves failing to perform.

"I'm my toughest critic, at the end of the day. I know what's not good and what's not acceptable. Last year was an unacceptable year for me. I know that".

That's nice but he kinda buried the lede. He should've let with that instead of laying it all on Doc and ultimately being proven to be a liar.

Not excusing Doc from lack of adjustments. I think PG is telling the truth on that one. But the rest is complete BS. He's an infant who only takes responsibility when he is backed into a corner. Him and Kawhi have to be the most unlikable pair of "stars" in the league.

Beauty of the PG13 presser was he didn’t take back what he said he just added again that he is also greatly at fault for what happen. Respect it even more he said he respects Doc as a coach but he meant what he said

People continue to forget he said he was at fault for his play during the 2K event but the headlines won’t pick up that or this because it won’t do click. PG13 took accountability and the narrative was spun why does he want to talk about getting better and improving his ratings.

That’s why I get why players say f the media and social media narratives.

[TheNewEra]

PG in his presser today said the following:

"I am to blame in this situation just as much as anybody else". Basically clearing air that it came off the wrong way, and that he takes full responsibility for the team choking the 3-1 lead and his comments about the team not making adjustments was just a part of the issue, not in place of the players themselves failing to perform.

"I'm my toughest critic, at the end of the day. I know what's not good and what's not acceptable. Last year was an unacceptable year for me. I know that".

good for the clippers PR machine to prepare a statement for its No. 2 star..

but then again, which is more credible, what he said in a very casual manner, while talking to fellow NBA players or this BS that he probably had to read from a sheet of paper.?

we all know what PG thinks of himself.. "Playoff P".. "it's not a win or bust season". "I wasn't used properly".. those are top of mind statements coming from him... not something he had to be coached about what to say...

the new season is a few days away, we're going to find out soon if PG has really learned his lesson and owned up to his own failures.

He owned it before the Matt Barnes interview but people like to spin headlines regardless. I’m glad he took nothing back but said again he needed to play better again