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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#201 » by FNQ » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:29 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Only thing allegedly keeping Ball back when he was drafted was his shooting. He's hitting 39% of his 3s on almost 8 attempts a game this season. Once he gets stronger so he can finish better watch out.

That being said Edwards is a good player and will make a few all star teams.


I think this, plus being a better on-ball defender, could elevate him into a true top option on a winner. But he's certainly benefit from having a tremendous BBIQ the second he walked into the league, which is rare for rookies. But - and this is only via looking at SS' tracking numbers - he needs to shore up his efficiency between driving/3pt shooting, which is pretty poor at this stage. Either that or try and take less shots at that range, as he's taking about 6 spg from 5 ft+ (2pters) and is shooting 36% with those shots.

Now that could be due to offensive system problems or lack of help - typically is - but the Hornets have a nice offensive team, so I tend to believe its more of a personal issue that some strength could help with. For example - maybe he's less of a midrange/floater guy if he feels confident in absorbing contact at the rim, where he's shooting 55% (not great either and down from last year)

My whole point is that I think Edwards/Ball is a lot closer than people think, and both still have big questions before we grant them the stardom that their potential might realize
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#202 » by NRSV » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:34 pm

Every morning I wake up, I say my Hail Marys, and I thank God that the Warriors did not draft LaMelo Ball.
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#203 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:43 pm

NRSV wrote:Every morning I wake up, I say my Hail Marys, and I thank God that the Warriors did not draft LaMelo Ball.


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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#204 » by KembaWalker » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:01 pm

NRSV wrote:Every morning I wake up, I say my Hail Marys, and I thank God that the Warriors did not draft LaMelo Ball.


Yeah it would suck if the Warriors window was extended another 10 years. We need some new blood
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#205 » by FinnTheHuman » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:10 pm

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FNQ wrote:I know people love his tools and point to his flurries as a reason to be excited.. but Jordan Poole is kinda in the same mold (less athleticism/more shooting) and I wouldnt bet on a #1/2 in his future either, at least not on a winning team. Is it possible for both of them? Sure, plenty of tools. But the efficiency has to come a long way from what it is now. And Poole needs help defensively, so Ant has that on him too, but point still remains


If Ant and Poole are in the same mold, then every young and promising guard in the league is in the same mold as Ant. No, Jordan Poole is not in the same mold :lol:

Jordan Poole is 195lbs, Ant is 235lbs+, they are nothing alike. Ant projects to be an elite slasher first and foremost, Poole looks more like some Jordan Clarkson type, he's 2 years older than Ant and Ant is already outplaying him. You should refrain from comparing the players from your team to the other players in the league, because then you come off as delusional. I get that you're high on your guys, but there's levels to this ****


Would do very well to take your own advice, and I'm so so happy to do this after the way youve talked to people in this thread.

Oh they weigh different? They're different ages? Very cool. So different. Very relevant to the styles they play!

Also, as much as you hope Edwards becomes a legitimate #1/2 on a winner, he isnt one yet. He's below average efficiency on a losing/middle of the road team.

Edwards: 3.0 / 8.7 3PT/game (35%)
Poole: 3.3 /9.5 3PT/game (35%)

Edwards: 2.8 FG inside 5 ft/36 (64%)
Poole: 1.9 FG inside 5 ft/36 (75%)

Man, that's pretty similar isnt it? And Poole's finishing better? I guess Poole's better and more frequent finisher than you thought.. but hey that tradeoff of 1 drive for 1 3pter a game, it sure means a lot..

Now you can go ahead and hope that Edwards becomes more efficient - despite how crazily entitled some fans have acted about him, I am still rooting for the guy - but its exactly like the Warriors fanbase of old: find a high upside guy and deny any flaws, swat away and comparisons, and angrily argue about things that are easily looked up. Probably oughta do that next time... because I bet you assumed Poole was just a perimeter guy, right?

Edwards dunks more (27-6), so there's that. Averages slightly under 1 dunk per game (minutes regularized) than Poole. Makes up the difference in terms of their interior shots per 36 too.. but weird how they are pretty close in terms of 3s taken and drives per game.. not equal, but pretty close. A lot closer than you pompously proclaimed, for sure


Damn, that's a lot of cherry-picked stats stripped of context and right there. Where's the arguments about defense, rebounding?

First of all, my Poole comparison, Clarkson, is not only an only-perimeter guy either, so you just put words into my mouth there. Poole attacks the rim the same way Clarkson does, with speed and looking to avoid contact. That projects him into always remaining only a situational slasher, he won't ever put high volume in slashing because he doesn't have enough tools to do it.

Anthony Edwards averages 22.1 ppg, Poole averages 18.5 ppg on the similar efficiency as Edwards with one of the GOAT offensive players opening up the floor for him. So Edwards simply has a bigger load to carry, on a team that can't help him out offensively nearly as much as the team can help Poole.

And don't get me started on defense/rebounding aspect of the whole story. Because Edwards is destroying Poole in those aspects, while their assist rate is around the same.

And again, 20yo vs 22yo, compare the speed of progress and all will be clearer to you.

The two players are nothing alike, sorry that you can't see it, but it's just the way it is. One is a Jordan Clarkson type, the other is DWade/Donovan Mitchell type.
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#206 » by Wolveswin » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:12 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Only thing allegedly keeping Ball back when he was drafted was his shooting. He's hitting 39% of his 3s on almost 8 attempts a game this season. Once he gets stronger so he can finish better watch out.

That being said Edwards is a good player and will make a few all star teams.

If you add qualifiers, you can watch out for almost any player.

Edwards who is already stronger, once he is more consistent at rim - which will come with more calls - and improves his efficiency- which will come with more shots at rim - watch out.
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#207 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:13 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Only thing allegedly keeping Ball back when he was drafted was his shooting. He's hitting 39% of his 3s on almost 8 attempts a game this season. Once he gets stronger so he can finish better watch out.

That being said Edwards is a good player and will make a few all star teams.

If you add qualifiers, you can watch out for almost any player.

Edwards who is already stronger, once he is more consistent at rim - which will come with more calls - and improves his efficiency- which will come with more shots at rim - watch out.


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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#208 » by Wolveswin » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:18 pm

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If Ant and Poole are in the same mold, then every young and promising guard in the league is in the same mold as Ant. No, Jordan Poole is not in the same mold :lol:

Jordan Poole is 195lbs, Ant is 235lbs+, they are nothing alike. Ant projects to be an elite slasher first and foremost, Poole looks more like some Jordan Clarkson type, he's 2 years older than Ant and Ant is already outplaying him. You should refrain from comparing the players from your team to the other players in the league, because then you come off as delusional. I get that you're high on your guys, but there's levels to this ****


Would do very well to take your own advice, and I'm so so happy to do this after the way youve talked to people in this thread.

Oh they weigh different? They're different ages? Very cool. So different. Very relevant to the styles they play!

Also, as much as you hope Edwards becomes a legitimate #1/2 on a winner, he isnt one yet. He's below average efficiency on a losing/middle of the road team.

Edwards: 3.0 / 8.7 3PT/game (35%)
Poole: 3.3 /9.5 3PT/game (35%)

Edwards: 2.8 FG inside 5 ft/36 (64%)
Poole: 1.9 FG inside 5 ft/36 (75%)

Man, that's pretty similar isnt it? And Poole's finishing better? I guess Poole's better and more frequent finisher than you thought.. but hey that tradeoff of 1 drive for 1 3pter a game, it sure means a lot..

Now you can go ahead and hope that Edwards becomes more efficient - despite how crazily entitled some fans have acted about him, I am still rooting for the guy - but its exactly like the Warriors fanbase of old: find a high upside guy and deny any flaws, swat away and comparisons, and angrily argue about things that are easily looked up. Probably oughta do that next time... because I bet you assumed Poole was just a perimeter guy, right?

Edwards dunks more (27-6), so there's that. Averages slightly under 1 dunk per game (minutes regularized) than Poole. Makes up the difference in terms of their interior shots per 36 too.. but weird how they are pretty close in terms of 3s taken and drives per game.. not equal, but pretty close. A lot closer than you pompously proclaimed, for sure


Damn, that's a lot of cherry-picked stats stripped of context and right there. Where's the arguments about defense, rebounding?

First of all, my Poole comparison, Clarkson, is not only an only-perimeter guy either, so you just put words into my mouth there. Poole attacks the rim the same way Clarkson does, with speed and looking to avoid contact. That projects him into always remaining only a situational slasher, he won't ever put high volume in slashing because he doesn't have enough tools to do it.

Anthony Edwards averages 22.1 ppg, Poole averages 18.5 ppg on the similar efficiency as Edwards with one of the GOAT offensive players opening up the floor for him. So Edwards simply has a bigger load to carry, on a team that can't help him out offensively nearly as much as the team can help Poole.

And don't get me started on defense/rebounding aspect of the whole story. Because Edwards is destroying Poole in those aspects, while their assist rate is around the same.

And again, 20yo vs 22yo, compare the speed of progress and all will be clearer to you.

The two players are nothing alike, sorry that you can't see it, but it's just the way it is. One is a Jordan Clarkson type, the other is DWade/Donovan Mitchell type.

Poole was almost out of the league 3 years ago. Which means his floor was very low. He made an amazing improvement and great strides no doubt. He is farther along in his development curve.

Edwards floor is much higher. Watching his development curve - stinky to start his rookie reason (plenty of reasons why) - his ceiling is amazing high compared to Poole. Give him time to hit his stride - like Poole has - and compare players when closer matched in development curve.
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#209 » by FNQ » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:19 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:Poole attacks the rim the same way Clarkson does, with speed and looking to avoid contact. That projects him into always remaining only a situational slasher, he won't ever put high volume in slashing because he doesn't have enough tools to do it.

Yet he has only 1 less shot at the rim than Edwards.

Anthony Edwards averages 22.1 ppg, Poole averages 18.5 ppg on the similar efficiency as Edwards with one of the GOAT offensive players opening up the floor for him. So Edwards simply has a bigger load to carry, on a team that can't help him out offensively nearly as much as the team can help Poole.


Poole runs the backup squad and plays every minute that Curry doesn't. Their efficiency is similar... how? .588 TS vs .535 is similar? Stretching that word to its maximum.

And don't get me started on defense/rebounding/playmaking aspect of the whole story. And again, 20yo vs 22yo, compare the speed of progress and all will be clearer to you.


So, like I said earlier, Edwards is a much better defender, even though Poole is trending up a lot this year and actually grades out higher in metrics currently. Playmaking actually favors Poole as well. I compared who they were right now as a basis for their futures, not saying that they are on the same trajectory. Perhaps if you asked, instead of obnoxiously calling it delusional because you had to interpret it in the worst way, I wouldn't have to show you that these two guys shoot and pass pretty similarly, even though Edwards has more weight and can go further with driving while Poole can go further with shooting (which again, was initially acknowledged).

The two players are nothing alike, sorry that you can't see it, but it's just the way it is. One is a Jordan Clarkson type, the other is DWade/Donovan Mitchell type.


Yet they are taking a nearly identical amount of shots from different ranges. Scoring 2 guards with playmaking ability. But because they dont do it the exact same way, arent the exact same weight, arent the exact same age, you somehow took issue with that and got childish with it. That is the way it is
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#210 » by FNQ » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:29 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Poole was almost out of the league 3 years ago. Which means his floor was very low. He made an amazing improvement and great strides no doubt. He is farther along in his development curve.

Edwards floor is much higher. Watching his development curve - stinky to start his rookie reason (plenty of reasons why) - his ceiling is amazing high compared to Poole. Give him time to hit his stride - like Poole has - and compare players when closer matched in development curve.


Poole was in college 3 years ago

And this is fine, I dont disagree that Edwards has more of a window to improve, time-wise. The point is that right now, they are similar enough in usage, and where they take their shots, that there is a comparison that's viable. Poole drives almost as much, Edwards shoots from deep just as much.. Poole has more efficiency by a lot, but Edwards has a higher shot share on his team (20.6% to 17.2%).

It was never meant to be Poole vs. Edwards, only showing why I'd be hesitant to think Edwards is a winning #1/2 on a team, which I said was probably a top 15-20 player.

But this was also framed a very certain way. Poole was "out of the league" 3 years ago, not 'stinky to start his rookie season (plenty of reasons why)' as if both of them weren't basically a top 2 scoring option on a depleted team for their rookie seasons. If Edwards has a much higher ceiling because of his flurries flashing his potential, why does Poole not get credit for the same? Both can be true with Edwards still having a longer window for improvement..
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#211 » by FinnTheHuman » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:30 pm

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The two players are nothing alike, sorry that you can't see it, but it's just the way it is. One is a Jordan Clarkson type, the other is DWade/Donovan Mitchell type.


Yet they are taking a nearly identical amount of shots from different ranges. Scoring 2 guards with playmaking ability. But because they dont do it the exact same way, arent the exact same weight, arent the exact same age, you somehow took issue with that and got childish with it. That is the way it is


No, what's childish is you coming and trying to take some of Ant's shine in the topic where people are discussing his future stardom, and applying that shine on a guy that plays on your team and that's looking nothing like Ant. It would be the same if I jumped into some Kuminga topic and started comparing him to a guy like Cameron Johnson, as if they were the same age/player type, just because they're playing a similar position and right now their impact can be compared by laying out some stats. I'd just come off as delusional, just like you come off here.
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#212 » by Wolveswin » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:33 pm

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Wolveswin wrote:Poole was almost out of the league 3 years ago. Which means his floor was very low. He made an amazing improvement and great strides no doubt. He is farther along in his development curve.

Edwards floor is much higher. Watching his development curve - stinky to start his rookie reason (plenty of reasons why) - his ceiling is amazing high compared to Poole. Give him time to hit his stride - like Poole has - and compare players when closer matched in development curve.


Poole was in college 3 years ago

And this is fine, I dont disagree that Edwards has more of a window to improve, time-wise. The point is that right now, they are similar enough in usage, and where they take their shots, that there is a comparison that's viable. Poole drives almost as much, Edwards shoots from deep just as much.. Poole has more efficiency by a lot, but Edwards has a higher shot share on his team (20.6% to 17.2%).

It was never meant to be Poole vs. Edwards, only showing why I'd be hesitant to think Edwards is a winning #1/2 on a team, which I said was probably a top 15-20 player.

But this was also framed a very certain way. Poole was "out of the league" 3 years ago, not 'stinky to start his rookie season (plenty of reasons why)' as if both of them weren't basically a top 2 scoring option on a depleted team for their rookie seasons. If Edwards has a much higher ceiling because of his flurries flashing his potential, why does Poole not get credit for the same? Both can be true with Edwards still having a longer window for improvement..

Um isn’t this is 3rd season? Yes.
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#213 » by FNQ » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:38 pm

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Wolveswin wrote:Poole was almost out of the league 3 years ago. Which means his floor was very low. He made an amazing improvement and great strides no doubt. He is farther along in his development curve.

Edwards floor is much higher. Watching his development curve - stinky to start his rookie reason (plenty of reasons why) - his ceiling is amazing high compared to Poole. Give him time to hit his stride - like Poole has - and compare players when closer matched in development curve.


Poole was in college 3 years ago

And this is fine, I dont disagree that Edwards has more of a window to improve, time-wise. The point is that right now, they are similar enough in usage, and where they take their shots, that there is a comparison that's viable. Poole drives almost as much, Edwards shoots from deep just as much.. Poole has more efficiency by a lot, but Edwards has a higher shot share on his team (20.6% to 17.2%).

It was never meant to be Poole vs. Edwards, only showing why I'd be hesitant to think Edwards is a winning #1/2 on a team, which I said was probably a top 15-20 player.

But this was also framed a very certain way. Poole was "out of the league" 3 years ago, not 'stinky to start his rookie season (plenty of reasons why)' as if both of them weren't basically a top 2 scoring option on a depleted team for their rookie seasons. If Edwards has a much higher ceiling because of his flurries flashing his potential, why does Poole not get credit for the same? Both can be true with Edwards still having a longer window for improvement..

Um isn’t this is 3rd season? Yes.


I dont want to go into how math works, but even if we use your way (2 years ago, actually) then you're saying he was almost out of the league in his 1st year after being a first round pick, in a season where Curry & Klay were out all but 4 games out of a possible 130, after Poole was starting to close the season after we dealt Burks/DLo/GR3

Dont buy that, but ok
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#214 » by SFrush » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:46 pm

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Would do very well to take your own advice, and I'm so so happy to do this after the way youve talked to people in this thread.

Oh they weigh different? They're different ages? Very cool. So different. Very relevant to the styles they play!

Also, as much as you hope Edwards becomes a legitimate #1/2 on a winner, he isnt one yet. He's below average efficiency on a losing/middle of the road team.

Edwards: 3.0 / 8.7 3PT/game (35%)
Poole: 3.3 /9.5 3PT/game (35%)

Edwards: 2.8 FG inside 5 ft/36 (64%)
Poole: 1.9 FG inside 5 ft/36 (75%)

Man, that's pretty similar isnt it? And Poole's finishing better? I guess Poole's better and more frequent finisher than you thought.. but hey that tradeoff of 1 drive for 1 3pter a game, it sure means a lot..

Now you can go ahead and hope that Edwards becomes more efficient - despite how crazily entitled some fans have acted about him, I am still rooting for the guy - but its exactly like the Warriors fanbase of old: find a high upside guy and deny any flaws, swat away and comparisons, and angrily argue about things that are easily looked up. Probably oughta do that next time... because I bet you assumed Poole was just a perimeter guy, right?

Edwards dunks more (27-6), so there's that. Averages slightly under 1 dunk per game (minutes regularized) than Poole. Makes up the difference in terms of their interior shots per 36 too.. but weird how they are pretty close in terms of 3s taken and drives per game.. not equal, but pretty close. A lot closer than you pompously proclaimed, for sure


Damn, that's a lot of cherry-picked stats stripped of context and right there. Where's the arguments about defense, rebounding?

First of all, my Poole comparison, Clarkson, is not only an only-perimeter guy either, so you just put words into my mouth there. Poole attacks the rim the same way Clarkson does, with speed and looking to avoid contact. That projects him into always remaining only a situational slasher, he won't ever put high volume in slashing because he doesn't have enough tools to do it.

Anthony Edwards averages 22.1 ppg, Poole averages 18.5 ppg on the similar efficiency as Edwards with one of the GOAT offensive players opening up the floor for him. So Edwards simply has a bigger load to carry, on a team that can't help him out offensively nearly as much as the team can help Poole.

And don't get me started on defense/rebounding aspect of the whole story. Because Edwards is destroying Poole in those aspects, while their assist rate is around the same.

And again, 20yo vs 22yo, compare the speed of progress and all will be clearer to you.

The two players are nothing alike, sorry that you can't see it, but it's just the way it is. One is a Jordan Clarkson type, the other is DWade/Donovan Mitchell type.

Poole was almost out of the league 3 years ago. Which means his floor was very low. He made an amazing improvement and great strides no doubt. He is farther along in his development curve.

Edwards floor is much higher. Watching his development curve - stinky to start his rookie reason (plenty of reasons why) - his ceiling is amazing high compared to Poole. Give him time to hit his stride - like Poole has - and compare players when closer matched in development curve.


That's not even remotely true.
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Post#215 » by Wolveswin » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:52 pm

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Damn, that's a lot of cherry-picked stats stripped of context and right there. Where's the arguments about defense, rebounding?

First of all, my Poole comparison, Clarkson, is not only an only-perimeter guy either, so you just put words into my mouth there. Poole attacks the rim the same way Clarkson does, with speed and looking to avoid contact. That projects him into always remaining only a situational slasher, he won't ever put high volume in slashing because he doesn't have enough tools to do it.

Anthony Edwards averages 22.1 ppg, Poole averages 18.5 ppg on the similar efficiency as Edwards with one of the GOAT offensive players opening up the floor for him. So Edwards simply has a bigger load to carry, on a team that can't help him out offensively nearly as much as the team can help Poole.

And don't get me started on defense/rebounding aspect of the whole story. Because Edwards is destroying Poole in those aspects, while their assist rate is around the same.

And again, 20yo vs 22yo, compare the speed of progress and all will be clearer to you.

The two players are nothing alike, sorry that you can't see it, but it's just the way it is. One is a Jordan Clarkson type, the other is DWade/Donovan Mitchell type.

Poole was almost out of the league 3 years ago. Which means his floor was very low. He made an amazing improvement and great strides no doubt. He is farther along in his development curve.

Edwards floor is much higher. Watching his development curve - stinky to start his rookie reason (plenty of reasons why) - his ceiling is amazing high compared to Poole. Give him time to hit his stride - like Poole has - and compare players when closer matched in development curve.


That's not even remotely true.

Did he not have G league stints? Struggling to keep roster spot with a poor Warriors roster?
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#216 » by SFrush » Thu Dec 2, 2021 10:19 pm

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Wolveswin wrote:Poole was almost out of the league 3 years ago. Which means his floor was very low. He made an amazing improvement and great strides no doubt. He is farther along in his development curve.

Edwards floor is much higher. Watching his development curve - stinky to start his rookie reason (plenty of reasons why) - his ceiling is amazing high compared to Poole. Give him time to hit his stride - like Poole has - and compare players when closer matched in development curve.


That's not even remotely true.

Did he not have G league stints? Struggling to keep roster spot with a poor Warriors roster?


and? It's not like he's the only rookie that's spent some time in the G-League before. Besides he was recalled and still averaged over 20 minutes and played 57 games his rookie season. That's hardly my definition of almost being completely out of the league.
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#217 » by magicman1978 » Thu Dec 2, 2021 10:38 pm

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In which direction?

Because.. I kinda like Ant both ways there.


If you think Ant is better than LaMelo now I can only chalk that up to residual salt seeing the GSW avatar


Sure. Couldn't be anything logical right? You aren't on the radar in terms of rivalry, I'm just giving my opinion on it. Doesnt help that I have no interest in your team opposed to MIN, and each time we see LaMelo, he either does poorly or cedes control to someone else (Bridges and Martin won the game, with an assist from Oubre by getting ejected)

I think Ant is a better player on a worse team - or at least, worse supporting cast - who plays better defense (especially on-ball). They have roughly the same efficiency, but Melo gets the metrics boost for being the team's primary ballhandler. But I'll absolutely take the elite direction-changing athlete with the better pull-up 3pt shot if I'm building a team now. Way harder to find that kind of player off-ball than lead guards.


Your first paragraph makes me think you haven't been watching Melo much at all. Melo is easily the Hornets best player - I don't think you can say the same for Ant. I don't think the Hornet's cast is that much better (metrics grade them out pretty evenly). Also, Melo shoots 35.4% on 3.3 pull up 3s per game vs 34.3% on 4.6 for Ant. Catch and shoot - Melo is 41.8% on 3.8 shot per game vs 35.6% for Ant on 4.1 per game. I don't see any advantage for Ant there.

Ant definitely has the higher ceiling to me, but I don't believe he's at Melo's level right now (and the impact metrics don't either).
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#218 » by AbeVigodaLive » Thu Dec 2, 2021 10:50 pm

Any non-Warriors-centric fans willing to chime in on the Poole vs. Edwards comparison?
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#219 » by FNQ » Thu Dec 2, 2021 10:59 pm

magicman1978 wrote:
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If you think Ant is better than LaMelo now I can only chalk that up to residual salt seeing the GSW avatar


Sure. Couldn't be anything logical right? You aren't on the radar in terms of rivalry, I'm just giving my opinion on it. Doesnt help that I have no interest in your team opposed to MIN, and each time we see LaMelo, he either does poorly or cedes control to someone else (Bridges and Martin won the game, with an assist from Oubre by getting ejected)

I think Ant is a better player on a worse team - or at least, worse supporting cast - who plays better defense (especially on-ball). They have roughly the same efficiency, but Melo gets the metrics boost for being the team's primary ballhandler. But I'll absolutely take the elite direction-changing athlete with the better pull-up 3pt shot if I'm building a team now. Way harder to find that kind of player off-ball than lead guards.


Your first paragraph makes me think you haven't been watching Melo much at all. Melo is easily the Hornets best player - I don't think you can say the same for Ant. I don't think the Hornet's cast is that much better (metrics grade them out pretty evenly). Also, Melo shoots 35.4% on 3.3 pull up 3s per game vs 34.3% on 4.6 for Ant. Catch and shoot - Melo is 41.8% on 3.8 shot per game vs 35.6% for Ant on 4.1 per game. I don't see any advantage for Ant there.

Ant definitely has the higher ceiling to me, but I don't believe he's at Melo's level right now (and the impact metrics don't either).


Definitely not saying that Melo isn't their best player, I was clearly stating what happened when we've played the Hornets this year.

I missed Melo in the rankings on that, yes he's got the edge there. But I do disagree that the Hornets arent better, and metrics do agree with me there. And even if not, just on paper.. we're talking about Gordon Hayward, Terry Rozier, Mikal Bridges, PJ Washington, Martin.. all above or around positive net ratings. The lowest rated player they have who has 500 minutes this year is Kelly Oubre, and he's not terrible (-1.7 BPM). Meanwhile the Wolves have two heavy minutes players with way, way worse numbers: McDaniels (-5.2) and Beasley (-3.1). Ant has the best player next to him (KAT) but also has to deal with a guy like DLo running the point (no idea how he's a positive OBPM with .511 TS% but player tracking *hates* him)

I dont think its particularly close, I'd much rather have the rest of the Hornets roster than the Wolves if I wanted to win now. I actually really like the Hornets roster, aside from their top draft pick this season and Kelly Oubre. The Wolves - who I've watched for 1.5 years now and really root for - have a really poorly put together roster by a deservedly fired GM. That said, if Vanderbilt ever becomes tradeable... give the W's a call :thumbsup:
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Re: Anthony Edwards is going to be a star 

Post#220 » by FNQ » Thu Dec 2, 2021 11:01 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:Any non-Warriors-centric fans willing to chime in on the Poole vs. Edwards comparison?


Agreed, we need more people to talk about weight, age and future prospects

fortunately the numbers cannot lie

EDIT: FWIW, the comparison was borne from asking whether or not Edwards would be a winning #1/2 option, IE a top 15-20 player, and then citing Poole's efficiency, and their similar shot selection, as why I'm hesitant. The direct comparisons to each other are some off-chute of anger from me not buying Edwards as a bonafide, guaranteed star, right now

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