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Re: Report: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas After Their Media Rights Expire in 2024 

Post#201 » by Cactus Jack » Thu May 26, 2022 9:06 pm

ISB wrote:Isn't that just the rennovated Key Arena where the sonics played though?..

It's practically a brand new building. In the same location. The project cost $1.2 Billion. It's 2x the size of the old arena.

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Re: Report: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas After Their Media Rights Expire in 2024 

Post#202 » by timO » Thu May 26, 2022 9:48 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
ISB wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:The team will play at Seattle Center. The new arena is called "Climate Pledge Arena".

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Isn't that just the rennovated Key Arena where the sonics played though?..

It's practically a brand new building. In the same location. The project cost $1.2 Billion. It's 2x the size of the old arena.


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"woke arena" :lol:
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas 

Post#203 » by timO » Thu May 26, 2022 9:50 pm

KingFox wrote:Good. I don't like the Thunder having all of the Supersonic accomplishments in their vault. It's weird


well sonics could trade a couple of FRP for his 79 title :lol:
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Re: Report: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas After Their Media Rights Expire in 2024 

Post#204 » by Cactus Jack » Thu May 26, 2022 9:51 pm

timO wrote:"woke arena" :lol:

Amazon bought the naming rights. That was the name they settled on lol.
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas 

Post#205 » by Cactus Jack » Thu May 26, 2022 9:56 pm

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KingFox wrote:Good. I don't like the Thunder having all of the Supersonic accomplishments in their vault. It's weird


well sonics could trade a couple of FRP for his 79 title :lol:

The Larry O'Brien trophy actually never left Seattle. It's still here.
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas After Their Media Rights Expire in 2024 

Post#206 » by Pointgod » Thu May 26, 2022 11:34 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:You can't just cherry-pick Divisions though. Right now teams play their Non-Division Conference opponents an average of 3.6 times, so you'd just have weight them differently and add a 0.9 multiplier to those teams. After expansion that number would presumably go down slightly, so call it 0.85. You can't ignore them though and just worry about Divisions. Plus there would likely be Division realignment anyway.

But really, in the end, this is all so inconsequential. I could only find data from a couple of years ago, but the Timberwolves total flight distance was about 9000 miles more than the NBA average. That sounds like a lot, but it represents something like 18 hours over 6 months. 3 hours of extra flight time per month. Considering they're not exactly flying economy, that's nothing.

Hah, we're not trying to "cherry-pick divisions". We're trying to figure out the best conferences/divisions geographically.

For example, if Minnesota goes to the East, you could have 4 divisions of 4 teams in each conference:

East 1: Chicago, Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota
East 2: Cleveland, Detroit, Toronto, Washington
East 3: Boston, Brooklyn, New York, Philly
East 4: Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Orlando

Isn't that nice and clean? Or compress East 1 & 2 and East 3 & 4 into 2 divisions of 8 teams. Either way (4x4 or 2x8), Minnesota's travel will be cut down if they play more games against their division rivals than against other teams... the same goes for teams in the West who would otherwise need to travel to Minnesota.

Not sure why you think this makes less sense than keeping Minnesota in the West (which is when you then have to cherry-pick divisions after discarding geographical proximity).


Bingo. 4 divisions of 4 makes the most sense. This probably gives the NBA a reason to cut down the games played as well from 82
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas 

Post#207 » by SNPA » Fri May 27, 2022 12:27 am

nomansland wrote:
SNPA wrote:Expansion is about money. Owners want to recoup COVID losses. This means new teams will -all things being roughly equal both immediate and long term- go to the highest bidders.

Seattle and Vegas have no inside track. This isn’t a fan sentimentality decision. It’s about billionaires making money. I’m a Kings fan that lived through the relocation dramas, you should listen..this is solely about money.

They don’t care about the Sonics.

They don’t care about Las Vegas.

Money. They care about money.


It's true they don't care about the Sonics or fans in Seattle.

But there is *a lot* of money in Seattle. That + any emotional attachment and good PR for the league makes it an attractive destination.

There are counter arguments here. Lots of cities will have billionaires trying to buy into the league. And there’s been a thought that Seattle not getting a team back is beneficial to owners in certain markets where they want/it’s feasible to get public financing for an arena. Seattle is the cautionary tale, there’s value in that. It certainly worked in Sac.

I’m not against Seattle or Vegas getting a team, I’m just more clear eyed about it than a lot of posters are indicating they are in this thread.
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas After Their Media Rights Expire in 2024 

Post#208 » by amcoolio » Fri May 27, 2022 12:32 am

Pointgod wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:You can't just cherry-pick Divisions though. Right now teams play their Non-Division Conference opponents an average of 3.6 times, so you'd just have weight them differently and add a 0.9 multiplier to those teams. After expansion that number would presumably go down slightly, so call it 0.85. You can't ignore them though and just worry about Divisions. Plus there would likely be Division realignment anyway.

But really, in the end, this is all so inconsequential. I could only find data from a couple of years ago, but the Timberwolves total flight distance was about 9000 miles more than the NBA average. That sounds like a lot, but it represents something like 18 hours over 6 months. 3 hours of extra flight time per month. Considering they're not exactly flying economy, that's nothing.

Hah, we're not trying to "cherry-pick divisions". We're trying to figure out the best conferences/divisions geographically.

For example, if Minnesota goes to the East, you could have 4 divisions of 4 teams in each conference:

East 1: Chicago, Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota
East 2: Cleveland, Detroit, Toronto, Washington
East 3: Boston, Brooklyn, New York, Philly
East 4: Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Orlando

Isn't that nice and clean? Or compress East 1 & 2 and East 3 & 4 into 2 divisions of 8 teams. Either way (4x4 or 2x8), Minnesota's travel will be cut down if they play more games against their division rivals than against other teams... the same goes for teams in the West who would otherwise need to travel to Minnesota.

Not sure why you think this makes less sense than keeping Minnesota in the West (which is when you then have to cherry-pick divisions after discarding geographical proximity).


Bingo. 4 divisions of 4 makes the most sense. This probably gives the NBA a reason to cut down the games played as well from 82


Divisions are antiquated. Best thing is two conferences of 16, top 6 make it, play-in for 7,8,9,10. Nice and clean when viewing the standings.

If you want to go the NFL route, I wouldn't mind. Like an NBC and an ABC with 8 teams in the east and west in each conference. NBA would likely never do it though
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas 

Post#209 » by LakerLegend » Fri May 27, 2022 12:40 am

SNPA wrote:
nomansland wrote:
SNPA wrote:Expansion is about money. Owners want to recoup COVID losses. This means new teams will -all things being roughly equal both immediate and long term- go to the highest bidders.

Seattle and Vegas have no inside track. This isn’t a fan sentimentality decision. It’s about billionaires making money. I’m a Kings fan that lived through the relocation dramas, you should listen..this is solely about money.

They don’t care about the Sonics.

They don’t care about Las Vegas.

Money. They care about money.


It's true they don't care about the Sonics or fans in Seattle.

But there is *a lot* of money in Seattle. That + any emotional attachment and good PR for the league makes it an attractive destination.

There are counter arguments here. Lots of cities will have billionaires trying to buy into the league. And there’s been a thought that Seattle not getting a team back is beneficial to owners in certain markets where they want/it’s feasible to get public financing for an arena. Seattle is the cautionary tale, there’s value in that. It certainly worked in Sac.

I’m not against Seattle or Vegas getting a team, I’m just more clear eyed about it than a lot of posters are indicating they are in this thread.


Everyone knows what you're saying, it isn't some insightful deduction.

Seattle and Vegas have the inside track because they have brand new buildings that haven't cost the NBA a dime.
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas After Their Media Rights Expire in 2024 

Post#210 » by Ruma85 » Fri May 27, 2022 12:45 am

Pointgod wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:You can't just cherry-pick Divisions though. Right now teams play their Non-Division Conference opponents an average of 3.6 times, so you'd just have weight them differently and add a 0.9 multiplier to those teams. After expansion that number would presumably go down slightly, so call it 0.85. You can't ignore them though and just worry about Divisions. Plus there would likely be Division realignment anyway.

But really, in the end, this is all so inconsequential. I could only find data from a couple of years ago, but the Timberwolves total flight distance was about 9000 miles more than the NBA average. That sounds like a lot, but it represents something like 18 hours over 6 months. 3 hours of extra flight time per month. Considering they're not exactly flying economy, that's nothing.

Hah, we're not trying to "cherry-pick divisions". We're trying to figure out the best conferences/divisions geographically.

For example, if Minnesota goes to the East, you could have 4 divisions of 4 teams in each conference:

East 1: Chicago, Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota
East 2: Cleveland, Detroit, Toronto, Washington
East 3: Boston, Brooklyn, New York, Philly
East 4: Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Orlando

Isn't that nice and clean? Or compress East 1 & 2 and East 3 & 4 into 2 divisions of 8 teams. Either way (4x4 or 2x8), Minnesota's travel will be cut down if they play more games against their division rivals than against other teams... the same goes for teams in the West who would otherwise need to travel to Minnesota.

Not sure why you think this makes less sense than keeping Minnesota in the West (which is when you then have to cherry-pick divisions after discarding geographical proximity).


Bingo. 4 divisions of 4 makes the most sense. This probably gives the NBA a reason to cut down the games played as well from 82

Hard to see the league cutting down games from 82 a season.
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas 

Post#211 » by SNPA » Fri May 27, 2022 12:48 am

LakerLegend wrote:
SNPA wrote:
nomansland wrote:
It's true they don't care about the Sonics or fans in Seattle.

But there is *a lot* of money in Seattle. That + any emotional attachment and good PR for the league makes it an attractive destination.

There are counter arguments here. Lots of cities will have billionaires trying to buy into the league. And there’s been a thought that Seattle not getting a team back is beneficial to owners in certain markets where they want/it’s feasible to get public financing for an arena. Seattle is the cautionary tale, there’s value in that. It certainly worked in Sac.

I’m not against Seattle or Vegas getting a team, I’m just more clear eyed about it than a lot of posters are indicating they are in this thread.


Everyone knows what you're saying, it isn't some insightful deduction.

Seattle and Vegas have the inside track because they have brand new buildings that haven't cost the NBA a dime.

It’s like you didn’t even read it. The NBA doesn’t pay for arenas (loans at most to teams I believe, but they don’t actually pay outright). There are NBA owners who want public financing for arenas, letting in teams that don’t have public financed arenas isn’t in their interests.
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas After Their Media Rights Expire in 2024 

Post#212 » by Pointgod » Fri May 27, 2022 2:22 am

amcoolio wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:Hah, we're not trying to "cherry-pick divisions". We're trying to figure out the best conferences/divisions geographically.

For example, if Minnesota goes to the East, you could have 4 divisions of 4 teams in each conference:

East 1: Chicago, Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota
East 2: Cleveland, Detroit, Toronto, Washington
East 3: Boston, Brooklyn, New York, Philly
East 4: Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Orlando

Isn't that nice and clean? Or compress East 1 & 2 and East 3 & 4 into 2 divisions of 8 teams. Either way (4x4 or 2x8), Minnesota's travel will be cut down if they play more games against their division rivals than against other teams... the same goes for teams in the West who would otherwise need to travel to Minnesota.

Not sure why you think this makes less sense than keeping Minnesota in the West (which is when you then have to cherry-pick divisions after discarding geographical proximity).


Bingo. 4 divisions of 4 makes the most sense. This probably gives the NBA a reason to cut down the games played as well from 82


Divisions are antiquated. Best thing is two conferences of 16, top 6 make it, play-in for 7,8,9,10. Nice and clean when viewing the standings.

If you want to go the NFL route, I wouldn't mind. Like an NBC and an ABC with 8 teams in the east and west in each conference. NBA would likely never do it though


I like the idea of getting rid of divisions. Also how about they borrow from the NFL and the two top teams get a first round bye. I guess you’d maybe need to get rid of the play in or extend the play in to teams 11 and 12 and have a best of 3 first round. I think the top of the conference needs to mean something so teams don’t sit their players.
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas After Their Media Rights Expire in 2024 

Post#213 » by LAL1947 » Fri May 27, 2022 2:39 am

Pointgod wrote:Bingo. 4 divisions of 4 makes the most sense. This probably gives the NBA a reason to cut down the games played as well from 82

Well they could reduce it easily even now but they're not because owners and players both want the revenue.

What I'd like to see is a format that makes sense with no arbitrary stuff. Like playing 3 games against some conference rivals and 4 against others... why does that need to be? It would be great to see something more consistent with the format set in stone.

So if we have 32 teams, 16 in each conference, 4 divisions of 4...
- each team plays their inter-conference rivals 2 times (home and away)
- each team plays their intra-conference rivals 3 times (home team for 3rd game alternates every year)

This gives us 62 + 15 = 77 games.

If the league wants to keep it closer to 82 games...
- then each team can play a total of 4 games against intra-divisional teams.

This gives us 77 + 3 = 80 games.

Or if we have 2 divisions of 8 instead of 4 divisions of 4, it gives 77 + 7 = 84 games.
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Re: Report: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas After Their Media Rights Expire in 2024 

Post#214 » by Pennebaker » Fri May 27, 2022 2:53 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
ISB wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:The team will play at Seattle Center. The new arena is called "Climate Pledge Arena".

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Isn't that just the rennovated Key Arena where the sonics played though?..

It's practically a brand new building. In the same location. The project cost $1.2 Billion. It's 2x the size of the old arena.


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The window at the one end is a cool addition. The old Key Arena was kind of claustrophobic and dark to me. Apparently fans can watch games from the outside like Tiny Tim peering in through a toy store window.

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Post#215 » by LAL1947 » Fri May 27, 2022 2:54 am

Do you guys really need to include every picture of the stadium when quoting that post?
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas 

Post#216 » by LAL1947 » Fri May 27, 2022 3:24 am

Pointgod wrote:
amcoolio wrote:Divisions are antiquated. Best thing is two conferences of 16, top 6 make it, play-in for 7,8,9,10. Nice and clean when viewing the standings.

If you want to go the NFL route, I wouldn't mind. Like an NBC and an ABC with 8 teams in the east and west in each conference. NBA would likely never do it though

I like the idea of getting rid of divisions. Also how about they borrow from the NFL and the two top teams get a first round bye. I guess you’d maybe need to get rid of the play in or extend the play in to teams 11 and 12 and have a best of 3 first round. I think the top of the conference needs to mean something so teams don’t sit their players.

Personally, I feel removing divisions favors the larger markets (or "desirable" living locations) and teams with the richest owners. So I would like to keep divisions and make them more meaningful by rewarding divisional winners.

For example: if we have 4 divisions of 4 teams in each conference, with the Top 2 in each division progressing to the playoffs... winners of divisions are seeded 1-4, seeds 5-8 are decided by win-loss record, etc. Every regular season game and series would have more meaning. We wouldn't need the silly play-in game either.

Where I hope to see this really helping, is in removing incentives for super-teams/stacked teams to form in Cali and the east coast. Like GSW has spent $350m on their roster this season. They are able to do this confidently because they have less chance of missing the playoffs as one of the best 8 teams in the West... and most importantly, they know this excessive spending will be covered by the playoff revenue and sponsorship. Is this really fair to other teams/players/fans though? What happens if GSW have to compete with LAL and LAC every year for a playoff berth and have more chance to miss out? Will they be as keen to spend that much money knowing they could very well not make the playoffs? I think not.
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Post#217 » by Ray Donovan » Sun May 29, 2022 3:11 am

HangTime wrote:They should get the same stipulation that the the Raptors and Grizzlies had for years 2, 3, and 4, which was No chance at the first overall pick.
.....I don't think I like that rule, maybe for one year but that's enuf. NBA has too many 'side' rules the way it is now
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Re: Rumor: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas 

Post#218 » by HangTime » Sun May 29, 2022 10:41 pm

Ray Donovan wrote:
HangTime wrote:They should get the same stipulation that the the Raptors and Grizzlies had for years 2, 3, and 4, which was No chance at the first overall pick.
.....I don't think I like that rule, maybe for one year but that's enuf. NBA has too many 'side' rules the way it is now


I don't know why they made that rule.

My only thought is that Tim Duncan was draft eligible in years 2 and 3, and they didn't want to risk him ending up in Toronto or Vancouver. Year 4 was to not make it seem so obvious.

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I also feel like the teams should not be eligible for top 3 picks, in back to back years (with their own picks). If the pick was previously traded, then it can be slotted in the top 3.
Ifa top 3 team's combination is drawn, they'll be slotted 4th, 5th, 6th.

So this seasons order would look like this, just one swap in the top 5.

1) Orlando
2) Oklahoma City
3) Sacramento
4) Houston

5) Detroit
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Re: Report: NBA Expected to Announce Expansion Teams in Seattle and Las Vegas After Their Media Rights Expire in 2024 

Post#219 » by chyau.00 » Mon May 30, 2022 5:47 am

ISB wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
ISB wrote:
How good were the renovations at that place? I know at one point the NBA considered that arena unsalvageable.

The team will play at Seattle Center. The new arena is called "Climate Pledge Arena".


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Isn't that just the rennovated Key Arena where the sonics played though?..


yes it is.. renovating is underselling it though. Pretty much all they kept was the hole and parts of the top.
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Post#220 » by God Squad » Mon May 30, 2022 7:32 am

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