Let Danny Ainge Rot

[Nate505]

I think it's a bit silly to think that Utah has to deal with the Knicks. Someone will make an offer Danny likes, or he will decide to build around Mitchell. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Ainge, either - but we know how he operates and it doesn't involve capitulation when he thinks he's right.

The damage is already done. You as a GM can't shop around your superstar all offseason and then all of a sudden have a change of heart and decide to keep him. What is he gonna tell Mitchell? That he just changed his mind. Donovan is quiet now but he's gonna ask out if this continues thru the season. Especially since Ainge is planning to trade away all the other Utah vets.

He's under contract for three more years. So what if he wants out.

[Creativetran]

Magic could offer Suggs, Issac, Ross plus picks

They could but I wouldn't do that as a Magic fan, I'm assuming Jazz would want a few unprotected 1st as well. Thats too rich for a short none defense playing SG

[Creativetran]

Randle, Grimes, 4 or 5 first round picks... tell me how the Nets turn that down if they REALLY are looking to deal Durant?

Definitely would need a 3rd team, Randle has no value for the Nets if they trade KD. They want young cheap players for a tank.

[Creativetran]

going all in for donovan mitchell?

Read on Twitter

I mean he's the same as Steph!!! Kind of crazy seeing that and Poole is sooooooo high, very interesting chart.

I wouldn't go all in for Donovan

[OrangeBlueSkies]

Randle, Grimes, 4 or 5 first round picks... tell me how the Nets turn that down if they REALLY are looking to deal Durant?

Definitely would need a 3rd team, Randle has no value for the Nets if they trade KD. They want young cheap players for a tank.

Creativetran, you seem reasonable, is Randle a negative asset league-wide, ALA Westbrook? Or is there a third team out there that can use a Julius Rande?

[Grubie024]

Am I insane or is Donovan Mitchell maybe the most overrated player in the league. WTF lol

[Gert42]

I think the problem for a Randle deal right now is the drop from 2nd team All-NBA to last years production. If he’s back to closer to 20-21 (which probably wouldn’t happen anyway with Brunson handling the ball more), then the Knicks probably want to keep him, whereas if he doesn’t, the value is much lower and he’s seen as more of a neutral to negative asset.

[Ballerhogger]

if danny takes on westbrook for us hes hero my eyes!!!!!!

[Creativetran]

Creativetran, you seem reasonable, is Randle a negative asset league-wide, ALA Westbrook? Or is there a third team out there that can use a Julius Rande?

Honestly I'm not sure, he's definitely not a Westbrook level negative asset but I don't think he has that much positive value either, maybe some team will value what he offers. It's just his archetype isn't that popular currently.

[Darthlukey]

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

Im sure part of Trader Danny's strategy (be it right or wrong) is to take enough assets to ensure that the Knicks have nothing else to trade in a big move. That way the is a better chance future Knicks will be worth more (very long term - 7 years)

Yea, I just do not see this Knicks front office being that near-sighted. Their whole MO has been flexibility in terms of contracts and tradable assets.

It'd be ridiculous. I like Mitchell, but I dont see him as a 1a type player and paying that amount of picks is crippling, especially if it doesnt automatically make the team a contender

[OrangeBlueSkies]

Im sure part of Trader Danny's strategy (be it right or wrong) is to take enough assets to ensure that the Knicks have nothing else to trade in a big move. That way the is a better chance future Knicks will be worth more (very long term - 7 years)

Yea, I just do not see this Knicks front office being that near-sighted. Their whole MO has been flexibility in terms of contracts and tradable assets.

It'd be ridiculous. I like Mitchell, but I dont see him as a 1a type player and paying that amount of picks is crippling, especially if it doesnt automatically make the team a contender

I would love if Mitchell is brought over, Knicks start making some noise in the East as far as culture and what not.. and in 12-18 months Joel Embiid asks out?

[Darthlukey]

Creativetran, you seem reasonable, is Randle a negative asset league-wide, ALA Westbrook? Or is there a third team out there that can use a Julius Rande?

Honestly I'm not sure, he's definitely not a Westbrook level negative asset but I don't think he has that much positive value either, maybe some team will value what he offers. It's just his archetype isn't that popular currently.

Westbrook doesnt have a negative value as such. A giant expiring has loads of value. Where it becomes a negative is that they need to turn him into something productive for the lakers or they risk wasting a year of lebron.

[Bob Ross]

I'm on team let Ainge rot

[Drakeem]

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

how Knicks' fan thinks their assets look.



how Knicks assets really look.

Har har har.

If these assets weren't so valuable, why is Ainge so adamant about grabbing as many as he can?

Because if they're not as valuable, he needs more of them to compensate... You literally spelt it out for yourself.

[Drakeem]

Randle, Rose and a bunch of heavily protected FRPs for Durant? Sure. Brooklyn will be tripping over themselves to make that deal.

Why is there MSG real estate in your head? It shouldn't matter to you since we all know KD doesn't want to play with your squad. With or without Mitchell or KD the KNICKS>Raptors.

Ah yes, the Knicks have had so much more success than the Raptors the last 20 years.

[whatisacenter]

Am I insane or is Donovan Mitchell maybe the most overrated player in the league. WTF lol

some would say it is Gobert and your team just traded 5 FRP's and a pick swap for him.

[RHODEY]

Randle, Rose and a bunch of heavily protected FRPs for Durant? Sure. Brooklyn will be tripping over themselves to make that deal.

Why is there MSG real estate in your head? It shouldn't matter to you since we all know KD doesn't want to play with your squad. With or without Mitchell or KD the KNICKS>Raptors.

Ah yes, the Knicks have had so much more success than the Raptors the last 20 years.

We've had more success overall and more importantly win or lose we are more relevant. And that's why you raptor fans are so angry and fearful as we rise.

[ShootersShoot]

Randle, Rose and a bunch of heavily protected FRPs for Durant? Sure. Brooklyn will be tripping over themselves to make that deal.

Why is there MSG real estate in your head? It shouldn't matter to you since we all know KD doesn't want to play with your squad. With or without Mitchell or KD the KNICKS>Raptors.

Ah yes, the Knicks have had so much more success than the Raptors the last 20 years.

Raps fans arent allowed to give their input on knicks related topics I guess? Maybe only knicks fans are allowed to post in this thread.

[Darthlukey]

Why is there MSG real estate in your head? It shouldn't matter to you since we all know KD doesn't want to play with your squad. With or without Mitchell or KD the KNICKS>Raptors.

Ah yes, the Knicks have had so much more success than the Raptors the last 20 years.

We've had more success overall and more importantly win or lose we are more relevant. And that's why you raptor fans are so angry and fearful as we rise.

Is there an ETA on the rise at all, like even when it might commence? I think it would be good for the league (really good actually).

[taikibansei]

Two things can be true at the same time. E.g., KD can be (is) worth (much) more than "Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose." At the same time, Mitchell can be (is) worth (much) less than "six first round picks, Fournier, Toppin, Rose and/or Quickley."

Quite frankly, adding Mitchell when you have Brunson is like "upgrading" to a Toyota Camry when you already have a Kia Optima. Yes, there might be a slight improvement in performance--at least on offense (the defense will be absolutely awful...)--but you're still boring as **** and not getting any nearer to "the babe" (aka an NBA championship).