Clips 12-10 in the Russ Era

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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#201 » by Optms » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:19 pm

Westbrook was holding the entire Lakers organization back. I can't believe one player had that much pull. Feels like taking a massive dump after being constipated for a couple years. Good pick up Clippers.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#202 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:27 pm

I can't believe people are pinning the clippers struggles on Westbrook. He's been good in 3 of 4 games and isn't close to a star player at this point. Their struggles are on Kawhi and Paul George.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#203 » by SeattleJazzFan » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:35 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:I can't believe people are pinning the clippers struggles on Westbrook. He's been good in 3 of 4 games and isn't close to a star player at this point. Their struggles are on Kawhi and Paul George.


kawhi has arguably been a top 5 player in the entire league the last 2 months. 27 ppg and shooting the **** out out the ball. he's been a 50/50/90 guy getting 27 ppg. that's nuts.

having said that, of course it's not ALL on Russ. he only contributes to the problems as the clippers have other issues, but none of it is on Kawhi.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#204 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 5:57 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:I can't believe people are pinning the clippers struggles on Westbrook. He's been good in 3 of 4 games and isn't close to a star player at this point. Their struggles are on Kawhi and Paul George.


kawhi has arguably been a top 5 player in the entire league the last 2 months. 27 ppg and shooting the **** out out the ball. he's been a 50/50/90 guy getting 27 ppg. that's nuts.

having said that, of course it's not ALL on Russ. he only contributes to the problems as the clippers have other issues, but none of it is on Kawhi.


Maybe his quiet, show up sometimes leadership style isn't elevating his roster. Yes he's scoring the ball well. Big deal. So is every other star player in the league. They haven't been anything but mediocre all season.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#205 » by og15 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:14 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:I can't believe people are pinning the clippers struggles on Westbrook. He's been good in 3 of 4 games and isn't close to a star player at this point. Their struggles are on Kawhi and Paul George.


kawhi has arguably been a top 5 player in the entire league the last 2 months. 27 ppg and shooting the **** out out the ball. he's been a 50/50/90 guy getting 27 ppg. that's nuts.

having said that, of course it's not ALL on Russ. he only contributes to the problems as the clippers have other issues, but none of it is on Kawhi.


Maybe his quiet, show up sometimes leadership style isn't elevating his roster. Yes he's scoring the ball well. Big deal. So is every other star player in the league. They haven't been anything but mediocre all season.
Clippers were 12-5 in the last 17 games Kawhi played before adding Westbrook. Kawhi was averaging 28/7/5 on 52/47/92.

The last 4 games he's averaging 30/6/3 on 60/64/84. Now Zubac has missed 3/4 of those games, that's a factor, sure. In the no Zubac games they gave up 136.9, 123.5 and 114.1 Ortg, and yes, two of those teams were Sacramento and Denver, two of the league's best offenses, so that's a factor.

This is actually more so on coaching and management for neglecting the effect of Westbrook disrupting the rotations, pecking order and chemistry that they were already showing post deadline and his lack of ability and impact to counteract those negatives.

If you already have a full roster and add a starter playing 27-30 mpg, you're adding some problems, whether any player clearly says it or not. The player better be high impact and good enough to justify that disruption. It's hard to argue that Westbrook in his current state is such for this specific team, and that's where you can have some issues.

Lue's plan seems to have been just throw Westbrook in and see how it all works with everything, fit, chemistry, overall roster intensity, etc, because, well maybe that could be his best lineup, so better get it tuned in now.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#206 » by Yinwest » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:31 pm

Jadoogar wrote:The clippers' struggles aren't all on Westbrook but it was clear from the start that he was a terrible fit on this team.

We are getting to a point that every team is a terrible fit for Westbrook.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#207 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:35 pm

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hardenASG13 wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
kawhi has arguably been a top 5 player in the entire league the last 2 months. 27 ppg and shooting the **** out out the ball. he's been a 50/50/90 guy getting 27 ppg. that's nuts.

having said that, of course it's not ALL on Russ. he only contributes to the problems as the clippers have other issues, but none of it is on Kawhi.


Maybe his quiet, show up sometimes leadership style isn't elevating his roster. Yes he's scoring the ball well. Big deal. So is every other star player in the league. They haven't been anything but mediocre all season.
Clippers were 12-5 in the last 17 games Kawhi played before adding Westbrook. Kawhi was averaging 28/7/5 on 52/47/92.

The last 4 games he's averaging 30/6/3 on 60/64/84. Now Zubac has missed 3/4 of those games, that's a factor, sure. In the no Zubac games they gave up 136.9, 123.5 and 114.1 Ortg, and yes, two of those teams were Sacramento and Denver, two of the league's best offenses, so that's a factor.

This is actually more so on coaching and management for neglecting the effect of Westbrook disrupting the rotations, pecking order and chemistry that they were already showing post deadline and his lack of ability and impact to counteract those negatives.

If you already have a full roster and add a starter playing 27-30 mpg, you're adding some problems, whether any player clearly says it or not. The player better be high impact and good enough to justify that disruption. It's hard to argue that Westbrook in his current state is such for this specific team, and that's where you can have some issues.

Lue's plan seems to have been just throw Westbrook in and see how it all works with everything, fit, chemistry, overall roster intensity, etc, because, well maybe that could be his best lineup, so better get it tuned in now.


I still don't under why they traded Reggie Jackson. It's not like he's really been struggling shooting 30% and committing 7 turnovers per game.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#208 » by TunaFish » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:54 pm

tamaraw08 wrote:
og15 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
Maybe his quiet, show up sometimes leadership style isn't elevating his roster. Yes he's scoring the ball well. Big deal. So is every other star player in the league. They haven't been anything but mediocre all season.
Clippers were 12-5 in the last 17 games Kawhi played before adding Westbrook. Kawhi was averaging 28/7/5 on 52/47/92.

The last 4 games he's averaging 30/6/3 on 60/64/84. Now Zubac has missed 3/4 of those games, that's a factor, sure. In the no Zubac games they gave up 136.9, 123.5 and 114.1 Ortg, and yes, two of those teams were Sacramento and Denver, two of the league's best offenses, so that's a factor.

This is actually more so on coaching and management for neglecting the effect of Westbrook disrupting the rotations, pecking order and chemistry that they were already showing post deadline and his lack of ability and impact to counteract those negatives.

If you already have a full roster and add a starter playing 27-30 mpg, you're adding some problems, whether any player clearly says it or not. The player better be high impact and good enough to justify that disruption. It's hard to argue that Westbrook in his current state is such for this specific team, and that's where you can have some issues.

Lue's plan seems to have been just throw Westbrook in and see how it all works with everything, fit, chemistry, overall roster intensity, etc, because, well maybe that could be his best lineup, so better get it tuned in now.


I still don't under why they traded Reggie Jackson. It's not like he's really been struggling shooting 30% and committing 7 turnovers per game.


In an around about way, the trade for Bone Hyland triggered the release of Reggie Jackson.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#209 » by Jadoogar » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:05 pm

Yinwest wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:The clippers' struggles aren't all on Westbrook but it was clear from the start that he was a terrible fit on this team.

We are getting to a point that every team is a terrible fit for Westbrook.


Honestly he was doing fine on the Lakers as a 6th man. The issue is his salary which the lakers were able to convert to 3 useful players. If he can accept a 6th man role and take the appropriate money, his next contract should be a lot better.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#210 » by chilluminati » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:18 pm

Eventually at this rate, it's gonna be Russ getting tossed around the league as every GM's scapegoat for failed roster construction.

Not giving Russ a pass, he still looks awkward on this team, but dang they need to look internally to see if all that depth is really necessary.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-2, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#211 » by AlexanderRight » Fri Mar 3, 2023 8:40 pm

NCHeels2008 wrote:
C3H6N6O6 wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Russ (14/7/10) looked great tonight in the loss to the Wolves. His playmaking is a new element for the Clips.

Rough night for Kawhi. His legs weren't there tonight.

Good game for the Wolves, who look revived after the DLo-for-Conley trade.

Clips now 0-3 in the Russ Era.

what are you talking about?
Wolves lost 3 straight before this game and the losses were against Charlotte, Wizards and Curry-less Warriors.


Have you not learned the first rule of Russ fans? The team results don't matter unless they win then its due to Russ

Sounds a lot like the Lebron rules…
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#212 » by ShootersShoot » Fri Mar 3, 2023 8:41 pm

Lol..i love how the title changes after every game

Did yall see how the warriors were defending wbrook last night? He is not fit to play big minutes as a starter anymore.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#213 » by Wolfgang630 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:12 pm

The Clippers wanted a floor general, but got a court jester.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#214 » by Homer38 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:16 pm

tamaraw08 wrote:
og15 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
Maybe his quiet, show up sometimes leadership style isn't elevating his roster. Yes he's scoring the ball well. Big deal. So is every other star player in the league. They haven't been anything but mediocre all season.
Clippers were 12-5 in the last 17 games Kawhi played before adding Westbrook. Kawhi was averaging 28/7/5 on 52/47/92.

The last 4 games he's averaging 30/6/3 on 60/64/84. Now Zubac has missed 3/4 of those games, that's a factor, sure. In the no Zubac games they gave up 136.9, 123.5 and 114.1 Ortg, and yes, two of those teams were Sacramento and Denver, two of the league's best offenses, so that's a factor.

This is actually more so on coaching and management for neglecting the effect of Westbrook disrupting the rotations, pecking order and chemistry that they were already showing post deadline and his lack of ability and impact to counteract those negatives.

If you already have a full roster and add a starter playing 27-30 mpg, you're adding some problems, whether any player clearly says it or not. The player better be high impact and good enough to justify that disruption. It's hard to argue that Westbrook in his current state is such for this specific team, and that's where you can have some issues.

Lue's plan seems to have been just throw Westbrook in and see how it all works with everything, fit, chemistry, overall roster intensity, etc, because, well maybe that could be his best lineup, so better get it tuned in now.


I still don't under why they traded Reggie Jackson. It's not like he's really been struggling shooting 30% and committing 7 turnovers per game.


But he kill the spacing and his defense is very poor
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#215 » by AlexanderRight » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:39 pm

Westbrook will perform better off the bench. What isn’t acceptable is the Clippers letting Reggie and Wall go without any other true PG playmakers to replace them.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#216 » by timO » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:49 pm

in the 4 games, 3 good games by Russ, one bad game.

Clips can go 3-1 on that.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#218 » by Airmiess » Fri Mar 3, 2023 9:53 pm

Imagine trying to learn how to play with Westbrook in the final stretch of the season. They should have traded Mann for FVV.
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#219 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 10:29 pm

chilluminati wrote:Eventually at this rate, it's gonna be Russ getting tossed around the league as every GM's scapegoat for failed roster construction.

Not giving Russ a pass, he still looks awkward on this team, but dang they need to look internally to see if all that depth is really necessary.


Wait, why would the GM have a scapegoat when he was the one who made the decision to acquire him, shouldn't the blame be totally on him?
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Re: Clips start the Russ Era 0-4, but the pickup looks like a steal 

Post#220 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 10:31 pm

Homer38 wrote:
tamaraw08 wrote:
og15 wrote:Clippers were 12-5 in the last 17 games Kawhi played before adding Westbrook. Kawhi was averaging 28/7/5 on 52/47/92.

The last 4 games he's averaging 30/6/3 on 60/64/84. Now Zubac has missed 3/4 of those games, that's a factor, sure. In the no Zubac games they gave up 136.9, 123.5 and 114.1 Ortg, and yes, two of those teams were Sacramento and Denver, two of the league's best offenses, so that's a factor.

This is actually more so on coaching and management for neglecting the effect of Westbrook disrupting the rotations, pecking order and chemistry that they were already showing post deadline and his lack of ability and impact to counteract those negatives.

If you already have a full roster and add a starter playing 27-30 mpg, you're adding some problems, whether any player clearly says it or not. The player better be high impact and good enough to justify that disruption. It's hard to argue that Westbrook in his current state is such for this specific team, and that's where you can have some issues.

Lue's plan seems to have been just throw Westbrook in and see how it all works with everything, fit, chemistry, overall roster intensity, etc, because, well maybe that could be his best lineup, so better get it tuned in now.


I still don't under why they traded Reggie Jackson. It's not like he's really been struggling shooting 30% and committing 7 turnovers per game.


But he kill the spacing and his defense is very poor


so Russ is not killing the spacing for the Clips? And his defense is better?

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