Suns complain about Giannis FT attempts after hacking him all night. Footage included.

[ReddoverKobe]

Lol this dude obsessed with legal guarding position and completely ignoring dropping the shoulder into the chest.

This isn't just a Giannis problem it's a league problem...

To me what Giannis does is no different than flopping. Where some guys drive and flop to sell contact Gianni drops his shoulder and seeks contact which should be a charge.

It's disgusting basketball and the league needs to do something bit we all know they won't...

The way offense is favored over defense is a joke. As a player it would be very frustrating.

What other unfair rules do just the suns face? I mean because they dont have quality backup centers its unfair other teams do right? So no more backup centers are allowed to play against the suns. You guys have any other suggestions so no one hurts the suns feel feels?

I would say give booker 8 fouls but they already did that and it did not matter in the finals, maybe he gets 10 fouls this time?

[Hitachi77]

So in other words, Giannis sent Craig flying forward, yet Craig was on the side? Just trying to understand the argument.

Note that if someone is standing sideways, and someone barrels into them, that’s still a charge.

[mademan]

So in other words, Giannis sent Craig flying forward, yet Craig was on the side? Just trying to understand the argument.

Note that if someone is standing sideways, and someone barrels into them, that’s still a charge.

Giannis is allowed to go straight to the rim and the defender has to be in legal guarding position to prevent it. That is the rule. Giannis doesnt attack craig, he goes to the rim and Craig tries to guard him without being in legal position. The contact created results in a foul on the defender.

If you are debating the rule and saying it shouldnt exist, thats one thing. But you guys arent. Youre saying the refs called it wrong, which they absolutely didnt.

[Hitachi77]

So in other words, Giannis sent Craig flying forward, yet Craig was on the side? Just trying to understand the argument.

Note that if someone is standing sideways, and someone barrels into them, that’s still a charge.

Giannis is allowed to go straight to the rim and the defender has to be in legal guarding position to prevent it. That is the rule. Giannis doesnt attack craig, he goes to the rim and Craig tries to guard him without being in legal position. The contact created results in a foul on the defender.

If you are debating the rule and saying it shouldnt exist, thats one thing. But you guys arent. Youre saying the refs called it wrong, which they absolutely didnt.

I am talking physics. It’s very difficult for Craig to fly forward if he was bumped from the side.

[ReddoverKobe]

So in other words, Giannis sent Craig flying forward, yet Craig was on the side? Just trying to understand the argument.

Note that if someone is standing sideways, and someone barrels into them, that’s still a charge.

Giannis is allowed to go straight to the rim and the defender has to be in legal guarding position to prevent it. That is the rule. Giannis doesnt attack craig, he goes to the rim and Craig tries to guard him without being in legal position. The contact created results in a foul on the defender.

If you are debating the rule and saying it shouldnt exist, thats one thing. But you guys arent. Youre saying the refs called it wrong, which they absolutely didnt.

I am talking physics. It’s very difficult for Craig to fly forward if he was bumped from the side.

This thread only gets better lol.

[UglyBugBall]

It's always hilarious when coaches/players/fans cry about how many free throws Giannis shoots when 75% of the time he's fouled it's intentional because Giannis is not a good free throw shooter.

Teams before the game: Foul Giannis, don't let him get anything easy. Make him have to make free throws.

Teams after the game, after playing hack-a-Giannis after they lose: This is so unfair, he shoots so many free throws.

The problem isnt how many fouls Giannis shot, but that the Bucks and Suns didn't shoot equal amounts. The refs job is to make sure the number is relatively balanced between the two teams and they failed to do that here. Wasn't even close.

The **** are you talking about?

Complete nonsense.

The Bucks shot way more free throws. Look at the box score. The refs were asleep and not doing their job.

[chuck_wagon44]

This reminds of when the Rockets (Morey) complained publicly about the officiating and included audits of the games

[darmani]

So in other words, Giannis sent Craig flying forward, yet Craig was on the side? Just trying to understand the argument.

Note that if someone is standing sideways, and someone barrels into them, that’s still a charge.

Apparently not if it's Giannis. He plays by his own set of rules.

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[skones]

I am talking physics. It’s very difficult for Craig to fly forward if he was bumped from the side.

It's almost as if Craig had momentum in a direction, and then force was applied. That doesn't make him in front. If you think it does, I'd suggest brushing up on "physics." If he was in front, he would have fallen back in Giannis's direct path, which he did not.

[jimmybones]

It's mind bending that anyone can think Giannis - a physical freak who plays with a relenting urge to get to the rim - and the Suns shooting mid range jump shots should get an equal amount of free throws.

The Suns do go to the basket quite a bit and still don't get calls. THAT is the problem and the reason why Williams is upset. Just admit to not watching the Suns play often and get your pass, dude. Seriously.

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I don't watch Suns games often. I did watch the specific game in question and I didn't see a single instance of an egregious non call on Booker. I did see him play with a pouty, whiny demeanor of someone who just had their lunch stolen by Jrue Holiday in the 4th quarter. Did you watch that Suns game?

[Dangit]

I don't care about the fouls as much as I care about how many times the guy changes his pivot foot on every post up. The refs just let him travel over and over.

[Ayt]

The problem isnt how many fouls Giannis shot, but that the Bucks and Suns didn't shoot equal amounts. The refs job is to make sure the number is relatively balanced between the two teams and they failed to do that here. Wasn't even close.

The **** are you talking about?

Complete nonsense.

The Bucks shot way more free throws. Look at the box score. The refs were asleep and not doing their job.

How did you get it into your head that the job of the refs is to balance free throw attempts between teams?

[JayMKE]

I remember back in the day being pissed Kobe or Wade shot so many FTs, how unfair those athletic freaks get to the line every time! Pure sour grapes. Giannis gets fouled harder than those guys did 10+ years ago thats for sure, another thing people have to keep in mind that Giannis doesn't fake contact or flop like almost every other star play does so Giannis could potentially get to the line even more if he played like Embiid did.

[Packbuckman]

Booker aint wrong, Giannis does get away with a lot of offensive foul, same goes for Lebron.

Giannis : 12.78 FTA per game
Lebron: 6.3 FTA per game

This is like saying "Steph curry makes a lot of 3 pointers. So does Steven Adams"

Lebron James isn't in the same conversation of drawing fouls this season as Giannis. Giannis is #1 and Lebron is outside the Top 15

That’s this yr LeBron don’t drive to the basket like he use to and sure don’t like Giannis does. Look how many free throws Embiid gets and he don’t drive to the basket as much as Giannis he’s always in attack mode.

[nikster]

So in other words, Giannis sent Craig flying forward, yet Craig was on the side? Just trying to understand the argument.

Note that if someone is standing sideways, and someone barrels into them, that’s still a charge.

Apparently not if it's Giannis. He plays by his own set of rules.

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Holy, that first one is shockingly bad.

2nd isn't that bad for a charge call for the rules as they are, but I feel league needs to change the rules. Giannis is clearly dropping his shoulder with the intention of going straight through Craig. I don't care if he isn't in proper defensive position that should be offensive

[chilluminati]

Cry more Phoenix, we haven't had a physical force in this league like that since Shaq. Except this Shaq is a faceup 4. Go back and watch how teams endlessly struggled with Shaq, having all their bigs in foul trouble just trying to slow the man down.

If anything, they shouldn't cry about Giannis, they need to be crying about the technicalities within calling an offensive foul.

[Packbuckman]

So in other words, Giannis sent Craig flying forward, yet Craig was on the side? Just trying to understand the argument.

Note that if someone is standing sideways, and someone barrels into them, that’s still a charge.

Apparently not if it's Giannis. He plays by his own set of rules.

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Holy, that first one is shockingly bad.

2nd isn't that bad for a charge call for the rules as they are, but I feel league needs to change the rules. Giannis is clearly dropping his shoulder with the intention of going straight through Craig. I don't care if he isn't in proper defensive position that should be offensive

Wtf what is he supposed to lead with running at full speed his ass lmfao
Players constantly cut in front of him if he wasn’t so big and fast they would hurt him but since he is it’s the other way around I sure am not going to feel sorry for them like you.

[Pachinko_]

2nd isn't that bad for a charge call for the rules as they are, but I feel league needs to change the rules. Giannis is clearly dropping his shoulder with the intention of going straight through Craig. I don't care if he isn't in proper defensive position that should be offensive

Υeah but keep in mind if you change it for Giannis you have to change it for everybody.
If you say "I don't care about proper defensive position" people will start throwing body parts in front of people dribbling and it will be an offensive foul every time

I'll say it again: all those written or unwritten rules that people are talking about, "beat your man to the spot, set your feet, square up" etc have always existed in basketball for a reason. And the reason is that without them it's way too easy for an athlete to just throw himself on an offensive player as soon as he starts moving, and then he can't go anywhere.

In basketball both the offensive and defensive player are trying to occupy the same spot, there needs to be rules who this spot belongs to and exactly how we define "who got there first".

You can't just be running backwards or sideways as a defender and then all those spots are yours and nobody can touch them, that would be **** basketball to watch.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Monty Williams is doing a slow clap like the janitor in Rudy right now with Giannis's four fouls

[DB23]

So the defender needs to just let Giannis pass him by?

How exactly do you defend someone that big charging full speed at you? I've seen the exact same play being called a charge on players not named Giannis because they aren't former MVPs that won a championship.

If Shaq was still in the league he would even more damn near impossible to guard since he could just get downhill with a bit of steam and just plow through multiple defenders.

Okogie is so far out of position, it’s a clear blocking foul.

Now if Giannis extends his arm or pushes off then fair enough but this call doesn’t look remotely close.

Not going to get into all the ridiculousness that is this thread.

But he not only dropped his shoulder but you can see his right arm also pushes the defender.

And if he was so far out of position how did he take the shoulder in his chest?.

This isn't the 80s, you don't have to be stopped and flat footed to take a charge any more.

Your feet don’t need to be still but they are not irrelevant to your cylinder either. I wouldn’t even say he hits him in the chest, looks more shoulder in the clip.

If he moved his feet better, got across and got hit square in the chest then fair enough. But he wasn’t.