NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

[LordCovington33]

Jokic already has 3 MVPs as far as im concerned. Embiids dont count.

lol

Guess what … it does count, and to think otherwise, is delusional.

[_NoMas]

Strong start from Embiid. His defence and play making have started off huge this year

He could average 40,15,5 and the voters wouldn’t take the same risk of him failing in the playoffs. Despite this being a regular season award.

You might be right, but both Giannis and Jokic won 2 MVPs before winning a title, so I think he will be in consideration. It won’t be the impressive scoring that gives him the best chance though (he will always have the great box score numbers), it’s being in the DPOY conversation aswell as a top 2 seed (with the narrative of his co star going awol)

[FinnTheHuman]

Strong start from Embiid. His defence and play making have started off huge this year

He could average 40,15,5 and the voters wouldn’t take the same risk of him failing in the playoffs. Despite this being a regular season award.

You might be right, but both Giannis and Jokic won 2 MVPs before winning a title, so I think he will be in consideration. It won’t be the impressive scoring that gives him the best chance though (he will always have the great box score numbers), it’s being in the DPOY conversation aswell as a top 2 seed (with the narrative of his co star going awol)

The fact that he's averaging 7 assists is another notable thing to me. If he can average 6, it's a big leap from last year's 4. Embiid's biggest leap in impact can be in the playmaking department. He's been slow-brained there so we'll see if this is sustainable, but if it is, it's a game changer. As I said before the season started, Jokic and Embiid are going top 2 barring injuries.

[Cubbies2120]

If Embiid is going to average what he's averaging now statistically for the whole season while playing enough games, the MVP is deservedly his, unless somebody is doing even better.

Problem is there are multiple "somebody"s doing better right now.

Embiid's playmaking has taken strides though, he's finally playing w/o it being "let me get mine first" every time...

[Cubbies2120]

Jokic already has 3 MVPs as far as im concerned. Embiids dont count.

lol

Guess what … it does count, and to think otherwise, is delusional.

Absolutely counts in the record books, sucks for Embiid that 99% of non-Sixers fans think it was awarded to the wrong guy though. History will remember it like the Rose MVP, where it was given to a great player, but very clearly not the most valuable / best in the league.

[B-easy]

For me most likely to win (even before start of season)
1. Luka
2. Jokic
3. Embiid
But if nuggets bench isn't terrible and win 60+ games, Jokic MVP.

[Ambrose]

Strong start from Embiid. His defence and play making have started off huge this year

He could average 40,15,5 and the voters wouldn’t take the same risk of him failing in the playoffs. Despite this being a regular season award.

If Embiid is going to average what he's averaging now statistically for the whole season while playing enough games, the MVP is deservedly his, unless somebody is doing even better.

There is zero excuse to give it to somebody else in that case. His impact on winning in the regular season is undeniable and his playoff woes should be counted only if it's very close between him and his closest MVP candidate rival imo.

Embiid shouldn't be penalized for the voters' mistake of putting him in the 1st place last year, instead of 2nd place. It was not a gigantic fail by the voters anyway, he was after all a top 2 regular season player last season.

There is nothing Embiid can do that would make him more deserving than Jokic though.

[Doctor MJ]

I think folks making cases for guys other than Jokic tend to be not factoring in the context of last year's robbery/chip.

If Jokic has a Jokic year, and his team has the best record in the league, he's going to win the MVP. Period.

Now obviously if Jokic has a clearly down year that opens the door. Beyond that, if other teams have better records than the Nuggets there's room for players on those better teams to take the MVP over him. If Jokic has a Jokic season, he's not going to lose out to guys on less successful teams.

Additionally, there's going to be massive negative winds blowing against another MVP for Embiid. Basically if it's close between Embiid and anyone else, people will vote for "anyone else" this year and this will likely continue until Embiid's team makes a major leap forward in the playoffs. This, incidentally, was basically what Jokic was facing last year - so it's nothing personal against Embiid, it's just how voters tend to react to playoffs that don't reinforce their previous votes.

[Exp0sed]

For me most likely to win (even before start of season)
1. Luka
2. Jokic
3. Embiid
But if nuggets bench isn't terrible and win 60+ games, Jokic MVP.

no1 is winning 60 games imo

[FinnTheHuman]

If Embiid is going to average what he's averaging now statistically for the whole season while playing enough games, the MVP is deservedly his, unless somebody is doing even better.

Problem is there are multiple "somebody"s doing better right now.

Embiid's playmaking has taken strides though, he's finally playing w/o it being "let me get mine first" every time...

On a bigger sample size, barring injuries, only Jokic and Embiid will likely have an MVP case from the stats + record standpoint. I am a Jokic stan and all, but I can imagine Embiid having a better case statistically, because he truly is a dominant force in the regular season.

In my opinion, it would be unfair to him to lose the MVP in such a scenario, just because of the last playoffs' occurrences.

The MVP award should serve as an incentive for the superstars to bring their A game to their regular season games, so taking away MVP's based on past playoff success shouldn't be a thing, even tho it is.

[KamikazeK]

I think it's kinda crazy to even be speculating 3 games into the season but discussion boards gotta discuss I guess. Like if you're picking MVPs already it basically is just going into the season with your decision already made. Which is kinda... Lame? I guess?

[Wolfgang630]

I think it's kinda crazy to even be speculating 3 games into the season but discussion boards gotta discuss I guess. Like if you're picking MVPs already it basically is just going into the season with your decision already made. Which is kinda... Lame? I guess?

It’s not that big of a deal like you’re making it out to be. It’s not like it hurts anything and everyone knows we’re only a few games in.

We have betting for MVP’s before the season even starts.

[GeorgeSears]

It's imperative that the Mavs get off to a great start for Luka to launch his MVP campaign. The last couple of seasons, they've just slogged through the first 20 games, and it's usually the early impression on voters that matters.

There's a big matchup with Denver on Friday. Luka could make an MVP statement early on if they win.

Embiid getting off to a good start is also important for his chances as well.

[Raonak]

If the dubs keep playing well, and curry keeps making insane shots, I could see it going to him.
Injuries will probably just derail it like always.

[Cubbies2120]

If the dubs keep playing well, and curry keeps making insane shots, I could see it going to him.
Injuries will probably just derail it like always.

The only way he gets it is if they get the #1 seed somehow, which won't happen.

Jokic & Luka have significantly better odds from just his own conference, and with good reason.

[Raonak]

If the dubs keep playing well, and curry keeps making insane shots, I could see it going to him.
Injuries will probably just derail it like always.

The only way he gets it is if they get the #1 seed somehow, which won't happen.

Jokic & Luka have significantly better odds from just his own conference, and with good reason.

#1 seed doesn't mean a MVP.

I think curry and the warriors are go on a tear anyway. They're substantially better than last year.

[Wolfgang630]

Some of these guys weren’t in MVP discussion these past few years because they got off to a slow start unlike Joker, Embiid and Giannis who were playing great since day 1. This was an Achilles for Luka and Tatum.

It’s important to be great from day 1. If we get so many candidates great from day 1 to end, then seeding and record only become that much more important.

[Exp0sed]

He could average 40,15,5 and the voters wouldn’t take the same risk of him failing in the playoffs. Despite this being a regular season award.

If Embiid is going to average what he's averaging now statistically for the whole season while playing enough games, the MVP is deservedly his, unless somebody is doing even better.

There is zero excuse to give it to somebody else in that case. His impact on winning in the regular season is undeniable and his playoff woes should be counted only if it's very close between him and his closest MVP candidate rival imo.

Embiid shouldn't be penalized for the voters' mistake of putting him in the 1st place last year, instead of 2nd place. It was not a gigantic fail by the voters anyway, he was after all a top 2 regular season player last season.

There is nothing Embiid can do that would make him more deserving than Jokic though.

this is actually a pretty hillarious scenario.
the couple of posters who were constantly pushing Embiid, opening threads etc., their main (convoluted) argument as to why Jokic shouldn't win his back to back MVP was that he hasn't accomplished enough in the postseason

despite being told a billions times that MVP was a rs award, they remained adamant in their stance

wouldn't it be hillarious if Embiid has a great year and we'll get to see those same posters clamoring for Embiid to win back to back, despite obviously accomplishing nothing in the PS?

I think that'd be pretty funny, i'd like to see it personally haha

[draftbarnes]

Curry seems like a good buy low candidate- 2%...

[Wolfgang630]

Luka, Jokic and Curry are the top 3 for mvp