The irony: Lakers complain to league about calls

[Whole Truth]

Reaves was not a rookie last year,so you are 100% wrong.Reaves was also very good at drawing foul in college in his last 2 years.The 2022 lakers were just a awful team and they were old and slow like crazy and Davis was out for half of the season who is huge for our defense.Last year they were a entire different team after the trade deadline,the reason why the result was much better!

And,LeBron and AD have played both game vs Bulls last year so stop talking nonsense!

Basketball reference -

2p23 - 01 - 04 (Lakers vs Heat) Lakers win 112-109 --- Starting rotation = (Beverly, Bryant, Reaves, Schroeder, Toscano)

You also said both game against the Bulls....You were wrong on 90% of your post

I made a mistake mentioning the Bulls in my opening sentence I meant to say Heat. As you see by me finishing the sentence by saying over a healthy Heat team. The both reference was to Davis & Lebron not playing, not 2 games.

[MavsDirk41]

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Make sure you post this on every thread lol

[AussieCeltic]

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Still another +4 in the free throw disparity count while having the oppositions 2 stars in foul trouble all game.

[wco81]

Not only did the Lakers get a TO they didn't deserve, the ball only came loose because Reaves was flopping, trying to oversell contact, falling on the floor after a little bump.

If he stayed on his feet, he probably wouldn't have lost the ball.

So it's a double reward for the Lakers, a flop that wasn't called and then on the loose ball a bogus TO award4ed.

[zimpy27]

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This is amazing

[AussieCeltic]

For those playing at home. The stats for the Lakers are.

Games played - 22
Free Throw counts won - 18
Free Throw counts lost - 3 (-2 vs Heat and Cavs, -13 v Sixers)
Free Throw counts tied - 1

[zimpy27]

For those playing at home. The stats for the Lakers are.

Games played - 22
Free Throw counts won - 18
Free Throw counts lost - 3 (-2 vs Heat and Cavs, -13 v Sixers)
Free Throw counts tied - 1

The strategy works..

Celtics have the best 3 shooting disparity in the league. They take more than their opponent.

Their strategy works, it's not a conspiracy

[AussieCeltic]

For those playing at home. The stats for the Lakers are.

Games played - 22
Free Throw counts won - 18
Free Throw counts lost - 3 (-2 vs Heat and Cavs, -13 v Sixers)
Free Throw counts tied - 1

The strategy works..

Celtics have the best 3 shooting disparity in the league. They take more than their opponent.

Their strategy works, it's not a conspiracy

Oh yeh, this magical strategy that Lakers fans say..what is it again? oh, that "don't foul strategy" hahahahahhaha

[zimpy27]

For those playing at home. The stats for the Lakers are.

Games played - 22
Free Throw counts won - 18
Free Throw counts lost - 3 (-2 vs Heat and Cavs, -13 v Sixers)
Free Throw counts tied - 1

The strategy works..

Celtics have the best 3 shooting disparity in the league. They take more than their opponent.

Their strategy works, it's not a conspiracy

Oh yeh, this magical strategy that Lakers fans say..what is it again? oh, that "don't foul strategy" hahahahahhaha

It's not magical, it's pretty straight forward. The fact that you think it has to be magical or a conspiracy to pressure the rim and limit fouls around the rim is not as funny as you think it is.

[MavsDirk41]

The strategy works..

Celtics have the best 3 shooting disparity in the league. They take more than their opponent.

Their strategy works, it's not a conspiracy

Oh yeh, this magical strategy that Lakers fans say..what is it again? oh, that "don't foul strategy" hahahahahhaha

It's not magical, it's pretty straight forward. The fact that you think it has to be magical or a conspiracy to pressure the rim and limit fouls around the rim is not as funny as you think it is.

How about we watch the next Lakers game and count the missed calls on them?

[AussieCeltic]

The strategy works..

Celtics have the best 3 shooting disparity in the league. They take more than their opponent.

Their strategy works, it's not a conspiracy

Oh yeh, this magical strategy that Lakers fans say..what is it again? oh, that "don't foul strategy" hahahahahhaha

It's not magical, it's pretty straight forward. The fact that you think it has to be magical or a conspiracy to pressure the rim and limit fouls around the rim is not as funny as you think it is.

Every single team would have the same strategy bro.

Don't foul and put pressure on the rim.

Lakers near the top in blocks. Lakers top half in points allowed in the paint.

Even then, that's not the point. Some games, you guys foul a lot..Some times you don't. But whichever way it is, it doesn't matter. You're 81% more likely to have more free throws than the other team.

There's been games you've given up 24 free throws, but you've had 34.

Games you've only had 18 free throws, but the other team only has 10.

See what I mean. It's not whether you're fouling a lot or a little. It's the disparity in the count on each game.

I mean 2 out of the 3 times you've lost the count, it's been within 1, yes 1 trip to the free throw line. I'm sorry, it just doesn't happen without some sort of direction or assistance from the refs.

[zimpy27]

Oh yeh, this magical strategy that Lakers fans say..what is it again? oh, that "don't foul strategy" hahahahahhaha

It's not magical, it's pretty straight forward. The fact that you think it has to be magical or a conspiracy to pressure the rim and limit fouls around the rim is not as funny as you think it is.

Every single team would have the same strategy bro.

Don't foul and put pressure on the rim.

Lakers near the top in blocks. Lakers top half in points allowed in the paint.

Even then, that's not the point. Some games, you guys foul a lot..Some times you don't. But whichever way it is, it doesn't matter. You're 81% more likely to have more free throws than the other team.

There's been games you've given up 24 free throws, but you've had 34.

Games you've only had 18 free throws, but the other team only has 10.

See what I mean. It's not whether you're fouling a lot or a little. It's the disparity in the count on each game.

I mean 2 out of the 3 times you've lost the count, it's been within 1, yes 1 trip to the free throw line. I'm sorry, it just doesn't happen without some sort of direction or assistance from the refs.

They don't have that strategy though. Celtics don't pressure rim, they go for 3 pointers. Plenty of teams try defend rim and will foul on purpose to stop a 2. Plenty of teams.arent as good defensively. Plenty of teams don't have players that drive and try draw fouls.

Believing in magic and conspiracies is not a good basis for logical discussion. But I'd be interested to know how your theory explains Lakers having negative free throw disparity in previous years.

[AussieCeltic]

It's not magical, it's pretty straight forward. The fact that you think it has to be magical or a conspiracy to pressure the rim and limit fouls around the rim is not as funny as you think it is.

Every single team would have the same strategy bro.

Don't foul and put pressure on the rim.

Lakers near the top in blocks. Lakers top half in points allowed in the paint.

Even then, that's not the point. Some games, you guys foul a lot..Some times you don't. But whichever way it is, it doesn't matter. You're 81% more likely to have more free throws than the other team.

There's been games you've given up 24 free throws, but you've had 34.

Games you've only had 18 free throws, but the other team only has 10.

See what I mean. It's not whether you're fouling a lot or a little. It's the disparity in the count on each game.

I mean 2 out of the 3 times you've lost the count, it's been within 1, yes 1 trip to the free throw line. I'm sorry, it just doesn't happen without some sort of direction or assistance from the refs.

They don't have that strategy though. Celtics don't pressure rim, they go for 3 pointers. Plenty of teams try defend rim and will foul on purpose to stop a 2. Plenty of teams.arent as good defensively. Plenty of teams don't have players that drive and try draw fouls.

Believing in magic and conspiracies is not a good basis for logical discussion. But I'd be interested to know how your theory explains Lakers having negative free throw disparity in previous years.

Why did it magically turn around after the blown call on Lebron vs the Celtics last year? When Lebron and the Lakers organisation acted like children and cried about the treatment from refs?

You guys were negative free throw disparity before that and then all of a sudden, it changed to the record breaking all time disparity that has not slowed down.

There was a huge line in the sand moment and you guys have benefited ever since. Or are you going to say Ham just happened to implement his non fouling at the rim strategy? Why don;t the Hornets and Pistons have high free throw disparity counts when they attempt more field goals at the rim than the Lakers?

Once again, sometimes you guys do get fouled at a high rate and some times you don't. But that doesn't change the fact, in those games, whichever way that happens, the other team always (81% of time) has a worse free throw count.

[levon]

Why did it magically turn around after the blown call on Lebron vs the Celtics last year? When Lebron and the Lakers organisation acted like children and cried about the treatment from refs?

It didn't.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=2022-2023+free+throw+attempts+/+possession+by+team+up+in+november+2022

Here they are tied 1-6 in November, before they "acted like children". We got some real unbiased Celtics homer analysts on here. When's your fanfic going up on Amazon? It'll do numbers on here.

[VanWest82]

Lakers probably deserve their FT advantage. They're big, they play around the rim, and they have stars.

The problem is all the history. Lakers have benefitted from too many suspect officiating performances for fans to forget. The same goes for Lebron specifically who the next time he gets called for lightly shoving someone with his forearm as they're about to shoot will be his career first. And then you have impossible to justify things like Reaves going to the line every time he gets breathed on.

So in summary, both sides are probably right.

[AussieCeltic]

Why did it magically turn around after the blown call on Lebron vs the Celtics last year? When Lebron and the Lakers organisation acted like children and cried about the treatment from refs?

It didn't.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=2022-2023+free+throw+attempts+/+possession+by+team+up+in+november+2022

Here they are tied 1-6 in November, before they "acted like children". We got some real unbiased Celtics homer analysts on here. When's your fanfic going up on Amazon? It'll do numbers on here.

That's not free throw disparity and that's November only.

Why didn't you use December when they were 12th?

The Celtics game was the 28th January.

Welcome to my TED Talk

[levon]

Why did it magically turn around after the blown call on Lebron vs the Celtics last year? When Lebron and the Lakers organisation acted like children and cried about the treatment from refs?

It didn't.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=2022-2023+free+throw+attempts+/+possession+by+team+up+in+november+2022

Here they are tied 1-6 in November, before they "acted like children". We got some real unbiased Celtics homer analysts on here. When's your fanfic going up on Amazon? It'll do numbers on here.

That's not free throw disparity and that's November only.

The Celtics game was the 28th January.

Welcome to my TED Talk

I understand as much. You're welcome to do the rest of the labor by referencing all the months before January and opponent free throw attempts too. It's a healthy hobby I encourage.

[AussieCeltic]

It didn't.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=2022-2023+free+throw+attempts+/+possession+by+team+up+in+november+2022

Here they are tied 1-6 in November, before they "acted like children". We got some real unbiased Celtics homer analysts on here. When's your fanfic going up on Amazon? It'll do numbers on here.

That's not free throw disparity and that's November only.

The Celtics game was the 28th January.

Welcome to my TED Talk

I understand as much. You're welcome to do the rest of the labor by referencing all the months before January and opponent free throw attempts too. It's a healthy hobby I encourage.

12th in December.

[Edrees]

Lakers probably deserve their FT advantage. They're big, they play around the rim, and they have stars.

The problem is all the history. Lakers have benefitted from too many suspect officiating performances for fans to forget. The same goes for Lebron specifically who the next time he gets called for lightly shoving someone with his forearm as they're about to shoot will be his career first. And then you have impossible to justify things like Reaves going to the line every time he gets breathed on.

So in summary, both sides are probably right.

Probably the most non biased post in this thread.

[Jables]

If you watched the game last night you’d see how many times LeBron got hit with no call. He shot 4 free throws last night even though he was driving it in for the most part. He’s averaging a career low in FTA. You suggest he just suck it up and continue getting hit without complaining?

People have been saying this for nearly every single year of his career, Exaggerating contact doesn't mean he doesn't get enough calls. He's also had a history of elbowing people in the face and pushing them in dangerous situations and getting absolutely no consequenes.

You want to watch someone get no calls, watch prime Derrick Rose. That's what getting no calls looks like.