HighFlyer23 wrote:It's Hakeem
Dirk faced lebron in the finals ... If he faced a legit challenge I'd pick dirk
This might be the worst trolling attempt I’ve ever seen on this site.
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HighFlyer23 wrote:It's Hakeem
Dirk faced lebron in the finals ... If he faced a legit challenge I'd pick dirk
LakerLegend wrote:LeBron was literally more athletic at 35 than he was at 20
Iwasawitness wrote:MavsDirk41 wrote:Iwasawitness wrote:
The Celtics had multiple injuries and the Bulls matched up terribly against the Heat. Their 12-3 record in the playoffs prior doesn’t hold much weight. The fact is the Heat had a losing record against teams with a .500 or above record (and Dallas themselves won both regular season meetings against the Heat that year). A lot of their 58 wins came against lower tier teams.
The heat definitely had an unbalanced roster. They lacked both depth and a cohesive starting five. It constantly changed throughout the season and they couldn’t find anything that clicked with the big three at PG and C. They were a deeply flawed team.
Their offensive/defensive ratings for the 2010/2011 2011/2012 are very similar. They added Battier and Birdman? They were top heavy no doubt. But most teams with 3 all star players in their prime are top heavy. Yea their roster wasnt perfect but they blew a 2-1 series lead and a double digit lead going into the 4th quarter of game 4. They blew the series. Plain and simple. The Mavs were blown out of the water against GS in the 07 playoffs. It was embarrassing. Stuff like this happens. But i dont think Miami should get a pass. They made it to the finals, won 58 games, and waltzed to the finals. Mavs loss Caron Butler during the season. Adversity happens.
I can agree with them blowing the series but we have to keep something in mind, and that’s that Dallas had their number from the beginning. Miami had flaws that could be exploited by the better teams in the league and that happened frequently throughout the season. They were much better equipped to deal with the better teams in 2012-2014.
Oh and I think you’re getting games 4 and 2 mixed up.

art_tatum wrote:Lebron has had some good carry jobs on the cavs team but imo carry jobs to win the chip should be above that. I have no idea how lebron is leading when none of his titles were carry jobs. Tho 07? When he beat the pistons was probably his best carry job. I thought the 2018 run was a little overrated bc of how weak the East was and that his team was title ready but changed kyrie with a still prime IT. 07 is more impressive.
But I'd rank these above:
Obviously dirk
Duncan 03
Hakeem
Maybe Curry 22
but there are many other older ones
Warspite wrote:Billups was a horrible scorer who could only score with an open corner 3 or a FT.
Klomp wrote:One_and_Done wrote:You never want your team to be starting Hassell or Ervin Johnson, but I think Wolves fans are inclined to see their flaws more than their virtues. They were not terrible starters. What's the difference between Ervin and Rasho/Elson, or between Hassell and Udoka? Not much to be honest.
There was a significant difference between Johnson and Nesterovic, let's be honest.
Nesterovic, just one season earlier, averaged 11 points and 6 rebounds as Minnesota's starting center in 30 mpg. The 2003-04 center rotation of Johnson and Olowokandi averaged 8.4 points and 9.2 rebounds COMBINED in 36 minutes per game. The round mound of Oliver Miller also contributed 2.5 points and 2.7 rebounds in 10 minutes per game
NZB2323 wrote:I would also say that Jordan in 98 deserves an honorable mention. The 98 Bulls are the oldest team to ever win it all. Rodman was an aging alcoholic who did WWE instead of practicing during the finals who washed out of the league afterwards, Pippen only played 44 games during the regular season and had a migraine in game 6, which is the only game in Finals history where 1 player(Jordan) outscored all of his teammates.
Homer38 wrote:Iwasawitness wrote:MavsDirk41 wrote:
Their offensive/defensive ratings for the 2010/2011 2011/2012 are very similar. They added Battier and Birdman? They were top heavy no doubt. But most teams with 3 all star players in their prime are top heavy. Yea their roster wasnt perfect but they blew a 2-1 series lead and a double digit lead going into the 4th quarter of game 4. They blew the series. Plain and simple. The Mavs were blown out of the water against GS in the 07 playoffs. It was embarrassing. Stuff like this happens. But i dont think Miami should get a pass. They made it to the finals, won 58 games, and waltzed to the finals. Mavs loss Caron Butler during the season. Adversity happens.
I can agree with them blowing the series but we have to keep something in mind, and that’s that Dallas had their number from the beginning. Miami had flaws that could be exploited by the better teams in the league and that happened frequently throughout the season. They were much better equipped to deal with the better teams in 2012-2014.
Oh and I think you’re getting games 4 and 2 mixed up.
I could also said that the 2006 finals was even a bigger upset and collapse by the Mavs!
They had completely dominate the heat in the regular season,up 2-0 in the finals,up by 13 points with like 6 minutes left,but huge collapse at the end with Dirk(a 90% free throw shooter) missing a free throw to tie the game at the end....The mavs were even a bigger favorite in 2006 that the heat were in 2011 before the finals according to the odds too!
One_and_Done wrote:art_tatum wrote:Lebron has had some good carry jobs on the cavs team but imo carry jobs to win the chip should be above that. I have no idea how lebron is leading when none of his titles were carry jobs. Tho 07? When he beat the pistons was probably his best carry job. I thought the 2018 run was a little overrated bc of how weak the East was and that his team was title ready but changed kyrie with a still prime IT. 07 is more impressive.
But I'd rank these above:
Obviously dirk
Duncan 03
Hakeem
Maybe Curry 22
but there are many other older ones
A carry job doesn't need to result in a title, and even if it did the 2016 Cavs would qualify when you consider the quality of their opponent, and how the Cavs fared once Lebron left.
MavsDirk41 wrote:Homer38 wrote:Iwasawitness wrote:
I can agree with them blowing the series but we have to keep something in mind, and that’s that Dallas had their number from the beginning. Miami had flaws that could be exploited by the better teams in the league and that happened frequently throughout the season. They were much better equipped to deal with the better teams in 2012-2014.
Oh and I think you’re getting games 4 and 2 mixed up.
I could also said that the 2006 finals was even a bigger upset and collapse by the Mavs!
They had completely dominate the heat in the regular season,up 2-0 in the finals,up by 13 points with like 6 minutes left,but huge collapse at the end with Dirk(a 90% free throw shooter) missing a free throw to tie the game at the end....The mavs were even a bigger favorite in 2006 that the heat were in 2011 before the finals according to the odds too!
- 2011 Mavs added Marion, Chandler, and Kidd (although Kidd was old)
- 2006 Dirk is not the same as 2011 Dirk in the playoffs
- Mavs could never handle prime Wade. He is the one superstar player who always got the best of them
- 2011 Miami Heat had 3 all star players in their prime. Not a great bench or not, they crapped the bed in the finals. Especially James. But yea, Mavs should have won in 06 but i wouldnt call them losing to Miami a worse choke job compared to Miami in 2011 but you do you.
MavsDirk41 wrote:One_and_Done wrote:art_tatum wrote:Lebron has had some good carry jobs on the cavs team but imo carry jobs to win the chip should be above that. I have no idea how lebron is leading when none of his titles were carry jobs. Tho 07? When he beat the pistons was probably his best carry job. I thought the 2018 run was a little overrated bc of how weak the East was and that his team was title ready but changed kyrie with a still prime IT. 07 is more impressive.
But I'd rank these above:
Obviously dirk
Duncan 03
Hakeem
Maybe Curry 22
but there are many other older ones
A carry job doesn't need to result in a title, and even if it did the 2016 Cavs would qualify when you consider the quality of their opponent, and how the Cavs fared once Lebron left.
2018 Cleveland Cavs
James
Love
Smith
Korver
George Hill
2018/2019 Cleveland Cavs
Love played 22 games
Smith 11 games
Korver 16 games
Most of the games played were:
Osman 23 years old
Collin Sexton 20 years old
Nance Jr. 26 years old
Clarkson 26 years old
Hood 26 years old
Maybe they wanted to rebuild?
Homer38 wrote:MavsDirk41 wrote:One_and_Done wrote:A carry job doesn't need to result in a title, and even if it did the 2016 Cavs would qualify when you consider the quality of their opponent, and how the Cavs fared once Lebron left.
2018 Cleveland Cavs
James
Love
Smith
Korver
George Hill
2018/2019 Cleveland Cavs
Love played 22 games
Smith 11 games
Korver 16 games
Most of the games played were:
Osman 23 years old
Collin Sexton 20 years old
Nance Jr. 26 years old
Clarkson 26 years old
Hood 26 years old
Maybe they wanted to rebuild?
How many time that a team won a playoffs series when the other team had 5 of the 6 best scorer in the serie?!...It was almost the same thing vs pacers in the first round that year.J.R Smith was washed like crazy in 2018,Love was on decline and Korver was old....George Hill was their second best player who was not young too
Homer38 wrote:MavsDirk41 wrote:Homer38 wrote:
I could also said that the 2006 finals was even a bigger upset and collapse by the Mavs!
They had completely dominate the heat in the regular season,up 2-0 in the finals,up by 13 points with like 6 minutes left,but huge collapse at the end with Dirk(a 90% free throw shooter) missing a free throw to tie the game at the end....The mavs were even a bigger favorite in 2006 that the heat were in 2011 before the finals according to the odds too!
- 2011 Mavs added Marion, Chandler, and Kidd (although Kidd was old)
- 2006 Dirk is not the same as 2011 Dirk in the playoffs
- Mavs could never handle prime Wade. He is the one superstar player who always got the best of them
- 2011 Miami Heat had 3 all star players in their prime. Not a great bench or not, they crapped the bed in the finals. Especially James. But yea, Mavs should have won in 06 but i wouldnt call them losing to Miami a worse choke job compared to Miami in 2011 but you do you.
Both were major choke job....At least the heat won the title the year after....The mavs won 67 regular season game the year after their choke job in 2006 but they had even a bigger choke job in 2007 against the 8th seed warriors in the first round.....
MavsDirk41 wrote:Homer38 wrote:MavsDirk41 wrote:
2018 Cleveland Cavs
James
Love
Smith
Korver
George Hill
2018/2019 Cleveland Cavs
Love played 22 games
Smith 11 games
Korver 16 games
Most of the games played were:
Osman 23 years old
Collin Sexton 20 years old
Nance Jr. 26 years old
Clarkson 26 years old
Hood 26 years old
Maybe they wanted to rebuild?
How many time that a team won a playoffs series when the other team had 5 of the 6 best scorer in the serie?!...It was almost the same thing vs pacers in the first round that year.J.R Smith was washed like crazy in 2018,Love was on decline and Korver was old....George Hill was their second best player who was not young too
Lol you know Boston was missing Irving and Gordon Hayward right? Tatum was a rookie and Brown was in his second year. Terry Rozier starting? Im not overly impressive with that Boston team considering the injuries they had especially.
Alright pal it was stil impressive but not Jordan vs Birds Celtics in 86 playoffs impressive.