Steph Curry and the Gaslighting Campaign Against Him

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Post#201 » by WarriorGM » Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:04 am

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WolfAddict wrote:This is where it all falls apart in my opinion - No you don't have to, but when you throw out terms such as "gaslighting" you're going to get grilled over it because it's just hyperbole - Steph Curry is a great player, one of the best to ever play the modern game, can't we be happy with that? - You're the minority here bro so maybe you just take the L and move on


See this is what I'm talking about.

I'm in the minority so I should just move on?

Why is that again?

First of all I do not really know if I'm in the minority or not. The BSPN media machine amplifies the LeBron narrative but take a look at Youtube videos and take note of which games are the most watched and it is Curry who seems to be drawing the greater audience.

Even if I were to be in the minority why should I keep my views to myself? Are we part of some cult that disallows challenging the commonly held orthodoxy?

As for taking an L, tell that to the majority of people who doubted Curry in the Curry is exposed thread, not me. I've had too much fun reading stuff like that on here to take an L.

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Stoop this low? What underhanded dirty tactics am I supposed to have used now?

Yes, because you're obviously wrong with regards to Curry being underrated. This isn't some LBJ centric forum, there are a lot of opinions of him and Curry and all the other players - For Curry to "underrated" you'd have a unanimous opinion that he isn't as good as he really is, but we don't. We get a lot of variation in results so, yes, in this instance, the minority is wrong. Same as flat earthers but I digress.

The views on Youtube is your guiding factor? That's just silly in it's premise and in no way "underrates" Curry.

Ok, that's your call. For me, when I'm proven definitively wrong, I tend to have enough self-awareness to admit it.


You have avoided my question regarding underrating so let me present it again:

Is it reasonable for me to claim that Steph Curry is a greater player than LeBron James?

There is a poster above calling on mods to intervene because I am trolling for stating what he thinks is a minority view.

Why are you not calling him out?
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Post#202 » by WolfAddict » Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:15 am

WarriorGM wrote:
WolfAddict wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
See this is what I'm talking about.

I'm in the minority so I should just move on?

Why is that again?

First of all I do not really know if I'm in the minority or not. The BSPN media machine amplifies the LeBron narrative but take a look at Youtube videos and take note of which games are the most watched and it is Curry who seems to be drawing the greater audience.

Even if I were to be in the minority why should I keep my views to myself? Are we part of some cult that disallows challenging the commonly held orthodoxy?

As for taking an L, tell that to the majority of people who doubted Curry in the Curry is exposed thread, not me. I've had too much fun reading stuff like that on here to take an L.



Stoop this low? What underhanded dirty tactics am I supposed to have used now?

Yes, because you're obviously wrong with regards to Curry being underrated. This isn't some LBJ centric forum, there are a lot of opinions of him and Curry and all the other players - For Curry to "underrated" you'd have a unanimous opinion that he isn't as good as he really is, but we don't. We get a lot of variation in results so, yes, in this instance, the minority is wrong. Same as flat earthers but I digress.

The views on Youtube is your guiding factor? That's just silly in it's premise and in no way "underrates" Curry.

Ok, that's your call. For me, when I'm proven definitively wrong, I tend to have enough self-awareness to admit it.


You have avoided my question regarding underrating so let me present it again:

Is it reasonable for me to claim that Steph Curry is a greater player than LeBron James?

There is a poster above calling on mods to intervene because I am trolling for stating what he think is a minority view.

Why are you not calling him out?

Of course it is, and that's my point - You have an opinion, and that's fine, but so do other people and you need to accept that.

But to say that Curry is definitively "underrated" because a lot of posters don't agree with your rankings, is just plain silly and wrong, with many reasons already stated.

Because I don't have to respond to every post brother, and I have no inclination to jump into a debate to get Mods involved. Not my jam bro.
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Re: Re: 

Post#203 » by Iwasawitness » Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:15 am

WarriorGM wrote:
WolfAddict wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
See this is what I'm talking about.

I'm in the minority so I should just move on?

Why is that again?

First of all I do not really know if I'm in the minority or not. The BSPN media machine amplifies the LeBron narrative but take a look at Youtube videos and take note of which games are the most watched and it is Curry who seems to be drawing the greater audience.

Even if I were to be in the minority why should I keep my views to myself? Are we part of some cult that disallows challenging the commonly held orthodoxy?

As for taking an L, tell that to the majority of people who doubted Curry in the Curry is exposed thread, not me. I've had too much fun reading stuff like that on here to take an L.



Stoop this low? What underhanded dirty tactics am I supposed to have used now?

Yes, because you're obviously wrong with regards to Curry being underrated. This isn't some LBJ centric forum, there are a lot of opinions of him and Curry and all the other players - For Curry to "underrated" you'd have a unanimous opinion that he isn't as good as he really is, but we don't. We get a lot of variation in results so, yes, in this instance, the minority is wrong. Same as flat earthers but I digress.

The views on Youtube is your guiding factor? That's just silly in it's premise and in no way "underrates" Curry.

Ok, that's your call. For me, when I'm proven definitively wrong, I tend to have enough self-awareness to admit it.


You have avoided my question regarding underrating so let me present it again:

Is it reasonable for me to claim that Steph Curry is a greater player than LeBron James?

There is a poster above calling on mods to intervene because I am trolling for stating what he thinks is a minority view.

Why are you not calling him out?


Because he’s smart enough to realize that what you’re saying is stupid.
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Post#204 » by WarriorGM » Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:30 am

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WolfAddict wrote:Yes, because you're obviously wrong with regards to Curry being underrated. This isn't some LBJ centric forum, there are a lot of opinions of him and Curry and all the other players - For Curry to "underrated" you'd have a unanimous opinion that he isn't as good as he really is, but we don't. We get a lot of variation in results so, yes, in this instance, the minority is wrong. Same as flat earthers but I digress.

The views on Youtube is your guiding factor? That's just silly in it's premise and in no way "underrates" Curry.

Ok, that's your call. For me, when I'm proven definitively wrong, I tend to have enough self-awareness to admit it.


You have avoided my question regarding underrating so let me present it again:

Is it reasonable for me to claim that Steph Curry is a greater player than LeBron James?

There is a poster above calling on mods to intervene because I am trolling for stating what he think is a minority view.

Why are you not calling him out?

Of course it is, and that's my point - You have an opinion, and that's fine, but so do other people and you need to accept that.

But to say that Curry is definitively "underrated" because a lot of posters don't agree with your rankings, is just plain silly and wrong, with many reasons already stated.

Because I don't have to respond to every post brother, and I have no inclination to jump into a debate to get Mods involved. Not my jam bro.


I have no problem at all with people not agreeing with me in regard to how highly I think of Curry. I do have a problem though with how stating my opinion draws out accusations of how it is a minority view and because of that I need to keep quiet or that I am trolling.

Is Curry such an unaccomplished and bad player that comparing him to one who is regarded as Top 10 all-time insulting and trolling? If so then yes Curry is being underrated.

Moreover if that is how some people feel then I must question how that is and I point to my original post in this thread as probably providing part of the answer.
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Post#205 » by WolfAddict » Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:40 am

WarriorGM wrote:
WolfAddict wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
You have avoided my question regarding underrating so let me present it again:

Is it reasonable for me to claim that Steph Curry is a greater player than LeBron James?

There is a poster above calling on mods to intervene because I am trolling for stating what he think is a minority view.

Why are you not calling him out?

Of course it is, and that's my point - You have an opinion, and that's fine, but so do other people and you need to accept that.

But to say that Curry is definitively "underrated" because a lot of posters don't agree with your rankings, is just plain silly and wrong, with many reasons already stated.

Because I don't have to respond to every post brother, and I have no inclination to jump into a debate to get Mods involved. Not my jam bro.


I have no problem at all with people with not agreeing with me in regard to how highly I think of Curry. I do have a problem though with how stating my opinion draws out accusations of how it is a minority view and because of that I need to keep quiet or that I am trolling.

Is Curry such an unaccomplished and bad player that comparing him to one who is regarded as Top 10 all-time insulting and trolling? If so then yes Curry is being underrated.

Moreover if that is how some people feel then I must question how that is and I point to my original post in this thread as probably providing part of the answer.

Oh dear god... You're just arguing in circles now.

For the very last time because I have 5 kids to organise, you can have whatever **** opinion you want. But it is a minority opinion that I, and the majority of people here, think is completely and utterly wrong. So yeah, move the **** on. Or don't. Neither option even gets close to tickling my arse hairs so I really don't care.

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Post#206 » by WarriorGM » Tue Aug 13, 2024 4:45 am

WolfAddict wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
WolfAddict wrote:Of course it is, and that's my point - You have an opinion, and that's fine, but so do other people and you need to accept that.

But to say that Curry is definitively "underrated" because a lot of posters don't agree with your rankings, is just plain silly and wrong, with many reasons already stated.

Because I don't have to respond to every post brother, and I have no inclination to jump into a debate to get Mods involved. Not my jam bro.


I have no problem at all with people with not agreeing with me in regard to how highly I think of Curry. I do have a problem though with how stating my opinion draws out accusations of how it is a minority view and because of that I need to keep quiet or that I am trolling.

Is Curry such an unaccomplished and bad player that comparing him to one who is regarded as Top 10 all-time insulting and trolling? If so then yes Curry is being underrated.

Moreover if that is how some people feel then I must question how that is and I point to my original post in this thread as probably providing part of the answer.

Oh dear god... You're just arguing in circles now.

For the very last time because I have 5 kids to organise, you can have whatever **** opinion you want. But it is a minority opinion that I, and the majority of people here, think is completely and utterly wrong. So yeah, move the **** on. Or don't. Neither option even gets close to tickling my arse hairs so I really don't care.

Have a great night.


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Post#207 » by ghillphx » Tue Aug 13, 2024 5:28 am

WarriorGM wrote:
WolfAddict wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
See this is what I'm talking about.

I'm in the minority so I should just move on?

Why is that again?

First of all I do not really know if I'm in the minority or not. The BSPN media machine amplifies the LeBron narrative but take a look at Youtube videos and take note of which games are the most watched and it is Curry who seems to be drawing the greater audience.

Even if I were to be in the minority why should I keep my views to myself? Are we part of some cult that disallows challenging the commonly held orthodoxy?

As for taking an L, tell that to the majority of people who doubted Curry in the Curry is exposed thread, not me. I've had too much fun reading stuff like that on here to take an L.



Stoop this low? What underhanded dirty tactics am I supposed to have used now?

Yes, because you're obviously wrong with regards to Curry being underrated. This isn't some LBJ centric forum, there are a lot of opinions of him and Curry and all the other players - For Curry to "underrated" you'd have a unanimous opinion that he isn't as good as he really is, but we don't. We get a lot of variation in results so, yes, in this instance, the minority is wrong. Same as flat earthers but I digress.

The views on Youtube is your guiding factor? That's just silly in it's premise and in no way "underrates" Curry.

Ok, that's your call. For me, when I'm proven definitively wrong, I tend to have enough self-awareness to admit it.


You have avoided my question regarding underrating so let me present it again:

Is it reasonable for me to claim that Steph Curry is a greater player than LeBron James?

There is a poster above calling on mods to intervene because I am trolling for stating what he thinks is a minority view.

Why are you not calling him out?


You have so many enemies dude. You care way too much about Steph Curry. He is not paying you... he does not know who you are. Live your life.
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Post#208 » by WarriorGM » Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:43 am

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WolfAddict wrote:Yes, because you're obviously wrong with regards to Curry being underrated. This isn't some LBJ centric forum, there are a lot of opinions of him and Curry and all the other players - For Curry to "underrated" you'd have a unanimous opinion that he isn't as good as he really is, but we don't. We get a lot of variation in results so, yes, in this instance, the minority is wrong. Same as flat earthers but I digress.

The views on Youtube is your guiding factor? That's just silly in it's premise and in no way "underrates" Curry.

Ok, that's your call. For me, when I'm proven definitively wrong, I tend to have enough self-awareness to admit it.


You have avoided my question regarding underrating so let me present it again:

Is it reasonable for me to claim that Steph Curry is a greater player than LeBron James?

There is a poster above calling on mods to intervene because I am trolling for stating what he thinks is a minority view.

Why are you not calling him out?


You have so many enemies dude. You care way too much about Steph Curry. He is not paying you... he does not know who you are. Live your life.


Steph's given some of the most glorious and memorable moments that other fans could only wish for. It's the least that I can do.
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Re: Steph Curry and the Gaslighting Campaign Against Him 

Post#209 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Aug 13, 2024 8:37 am

A lot of men hate Steph.

It's fine that guys that are 6´6 or 6´10 dominate the sport they love. It's out of reach. But when a good-looking guy who looks like a regular civilian (like them) does it and grabs all the attention, folks get jealous and insecure. Especially the macho type. Defense mechanisms kick in.

It happened on a lesser scale with Linsanity too. A lot of guys resented how popular Lin was with kids and women. Same with Steph, but on a much broader scale.

The only way for them to "restore the equilibrium" is to diminish Steph and his accomplishments.

He's definitely underrated and prime-for-prime he definitely has a case over LeBron. Longevity is where LeBron has him beat.
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Post#210 » by ghillphx » Tue Aug 13, 2024 8:51 am

WarriorGM wrote:
ghillphx wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
You have avoided my question regarding underrating so let me present it again:

Is it reasonable for me to claim that Steph Curry is a greater player than LeBron James?

There is a poster above calling on mods to intervene because I am trolling for stating what he thinks is a minority view.

Why are you not calling him out?


You have so many enemies dude. You care way too much about Steph Curry. He is not paying you... he does not know who you are. Live your life.


Steph's given some of the most glorious and memorable moments that other fans could only wish for. It's the least that I can do.


I loved watching Steve Nash, and although I’m keenly aware that Curry is a better player, many fans think Nash didn’t deserve 2 mvps. Do I agree with them? Not necessarily, but I can see where they’re coming from. But frankly, I do not care what they think, and I don’t need to prove why he deserves them. I understand I’m a biased fan bc I watched Nash all through college and beyond. BIAS it’s real. You’re biased as hell, and unsatisfied.
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Re: Steph Curry and the Gaslighting Campaign Against Him 

Post#211 » by kwajo » Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:21 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:A lot of men hate Steph.

It's fine that guys that are 6´6 or 6´10 dominate the sport they love. It's out of reach. But when a good-looking guy who looks like a regular civilian (like them) does it and grabs all the attention, folks get jealous and insecure. Especially the macho type. Defense mechanisms kick in.

It happened on a lesser scale with Linsanity too. A lot of guys resented how popular Lin was with kids and women. Same with Steph, but on a much broader scale.

The only way for them to "restore the equilibrium" is to diminish Steph and his accomplishments.

He's definitely underrated and prime-for-prime he definitely has a case over LeBron. Longevity is where LeBron has him beat.


This can’t possibly be true, surely men aren’t that insecure about others being successful. It’s not like Steph is tiny either, he’s 6’3”-6’4” and nearly 200 lbs, that’s well above the size of the average man, or “regular civilian” in most countries.
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Post#212 » by NbaAllDay » Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:49 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:A lot of men hate Steph.

It's fine that guys that are 6´6 or 6´10 dominate the sport they love. It's out of reach. But when a good-looking guy who looks like a regular civilian (like them) does it and grabs all the attention, folks get jealous and insecure. Especially the macho type. Defense mechanisms kick in.

It happened on a lesser scale with Linsanity too. A lot of guys resented how popular Lin was with kids and women. Same with Steph, but on a much broader scale.

The only way for them to "restore the equilibrium" is to diminish Steph and his accomplishments.

He's definitely underrated and prime-for-prime he definitely has a case over LeBron. Longevity is where LeBron has him beat.


I'm sure the women and children hate Steph too.
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Post#213 » by NbaAllDay » Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:51 pm

This meltdown was worth the read ty.
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Post#214 » by WarriorGM » Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:21 pm

NbaAllDay wrote:This meltdown was worth the read ty.


Thank you for taking the time to read it and take potshots from the peanut gallery. I'm flattered.
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Post#215 » by brackdan70 » Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:26 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:A lot of men hate Steph.

It's fine that guys that are 6´6 or 6´10 dominate the sport they love. It's out of reach. But when a good-looking guy who looks like a regular civilian (like them) does it and grabs all the attention, folks get jealous and insecure. Especially the macho type. Defense mechanisms kick in.

It happened on a lesser scale with Linsanity too. A lot of guys resented how popular Lin was with kids and women. Same with Steph, but on a much broader scale.

The only way for them to "restore the equilibrium" is to diminish Steph and his accomplishments.

He's definitely underrated and prime-for-prime he definitely has a case over LeBron. Longevity is where LeBron has him beat.


This can’t possibly be true, surely men aren’t that insecure about others being successful. It’s not like Steph is tiny either, he’s 6’3”-6’4” and nearly 200 lbs, that’s well above the size of the average man, or “regular civilian” in most countries.

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Post#216 » by JN61 » Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:58 pm

That old picture where guy is crying behind the smiling mask. This thread in the nutshell
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Post#217 » by JN61 » Tue Aug 13, 2024 2:00 pm

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You have so many enemies dude. You care way too much about Steph Curry. He is not paying you... he does not know who you are. Live your life.


Steph's given some of the most glorious and memorable moments that other fans could only wish for. It's the least that I can do.


I loved watching Steve Nash, and although I’m keenly aware that Curry is a better player, many fans think Nash didn’t deserve 2 mvps. Do I agree with them? Not necessarily, but I can see where they’re coming from. But frankly, I do not care what they think, and I don’t need to prove why he deserves them. I understand I’m a biased fan bc I watched Nash all through college and beyond. BIAS it’s real. You’re biased as hell, and unsatisfied.

If Nash had won few championships with even remotely similar supporting cast as curry it wouldn't even be a debate who would be better player. Even now the gap is not that large
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Post#218 » by WarriorGM » Tue Aug 13, 2024 2:22 pm

JN61 wrote:That old picture where guy is crying behind the smiling mask. This thread in the nutshell


No need to be so grumpy. Just because you're under the weather doesn't mean I am. It's true though that seeing Steph going off and be electrifying in front of a large worldwide audience brings a smile to my face. Oh... so that the reason why you're under the weather. Oops!
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Post#219 » by NyKnicks1714 » Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:50 pm

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Is it reasonable for me to claim that Steph Curry is a greater player than LeBron James?


Is it a reasonable basketball opinion? No. But those are a dime a dozen here; it's not the issue.

The issue is you completely fabricating some grand media gaslighting conspiracy to downplay Curry when it does not exist in any way, shape, or form, and then claiming that your completely fabricated conspiracy is the reason people don't agree with you. It would be extremely insulting if people took you seriously enough to feel insulted. And a lot of what you say just screams delusion and obsession.
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Post#220 » by Pattycakes » Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:59 pm

WarriorGM wrote:All right so I hear there is an MVP for Olympics Basketball that was dormant but that the media revived. Predictably it goes to LeBron James. Unfortunately by predictably I don't mean that it was because he was the clearcut choice from the actual performances but more in the sense that ahead of time you know that certain movies that fit the Oscar bait mold will likely win the Oscar whatever the merits of the other movies nominated.

Look I get the argument for LeBron's selection and because I do I understand it can come off as petty to criticize it. My initial inclination therefore after rolling my eyes is to quietly move on.

But then I remember something.

This isn't an isolated incident.

Far from it. It is part of what appears to be a consistent pattern.

And the one who is being targeted and disadvantaged is Steph Curry.

I recognized Curry as a special player around 2016. Even after the loss in the finals I projected that he could be a top 5 player all-time. To me it was obvious that the signs were there. That's why I've been mystified ever since that there have been so many expressions of doubt or what I perceived to be low assessments of Steph's impact.

Why is it taking people so long to recognize just how incredible Steph Curry is?

I cannot help but escape the feeling that part of the reason is that the media has been manipulating and perverting opinions about him. Whenever he falls short, they are quick to write him off. Whenever he succeeds, they damn him with faint praise treating him like a precocious child who won a high school science project. And whenever a comparison is to be made they make the most underwhelming one they can get away with.

Case I
The Iguodala FMVP
Probably the most prominent early incident was the 2015 FMVP selection. There was an earlier notable media snub when Curry wasn't selected for an All-NBA team in 2013 but that was perhaps understandable with Curry just emerging as a force on the biggest stage but by the 2015 Finals Curry had just led his team to 67 wins and was named MVP.

Still when his team won, the FMVP was given to Iguodala. Curry looked lackluster and stymied for a lot of the series and a narrative built up that a change in the starting lineup suggested by a video guy to wide-eyed newbie coach Steve Kerr was the key to victory. The feel good story of a democratic team combined with Iguodala being the one guarding LeBron was enough to override the gaping scoring difference between Steph and Andre and the fact Steph exploding in the 4th quarters of the critical games is what sealed the championship win in 6 games. The media was clearly wed to the idea that LeBron was the reason for everything and reasoned that stopping him was all that mattered. Iguodala it is. Steph Curry? Good player but his success this year was probably a blip and he'll fade away and become just another passing season rival for LeBron like Paul George. Oh how wrong they were. But the end result in this case was still Curry's reputation being sacrificed to uphold the narrative that LeBron was unfairly overmatched by a great team effort.

Case II
The Durant FMVPs
After the thrilling but ultimately disappointing 2016 Durant comes to town. Media automatically starts treating KD like he's the best player on the team. Despite Curry having already led his team to a championship. Despite Curry having already led his team to two historic seasons. Despite Curry being the one and only unanimous MVP in NBA history. Despite Curry and the Warriors facing KD and the Thunder the previous year and emerging victorious. For some reason KD's the guy. I like KD. I think he's great. But the way the media was completely ignoring Curry was absolutely bizarre.

KD and the Warriors click. KD and Curry are brilliant together. When it's time to acknowledge them, however, the media instead of acting like journalists when they sold the Iguodala FMVP as a nod to the democratic nature of the team chooses to act like a drama instigator by awarding two FMVPs to KD despite lots and lots of room to take in the big picture that the lopsided finals victories provided. So instead of the story being two great players teaming up to dominate the league, the media story is KD takes over and is the best player. End result is Curry's now being portrayed as some secondary support player in a KD show. Meanwhile LeBron is still sitting pretty because the previous unfairly overmatched narrative is actually reasonable and with the media spotlight on KD the player with the actual best argument against LeBron's supremacy is being obscured.

Case III
MVPs 2017-2022
Curry in 2017 leads what is arguably the greatest NBA team of all-time to a 67-win record. Curry is 6th in MVP voting. What? Okay there are some understandable factors chiefly KD on the same team. But KD missed something like 14 games. Doesn't matter. As long as Curry and KD are together they're pretty much ruled out from MVP consideration. Mind you playing with Wade didn't stop LeBron from becoming MVP in 2012 or 2013 or being top 3 in MVP voting in their inaugural year.

I'll also make a quick note regarding Giannis' and Jokic's two MVPs each during this time. I've heard it argued based mainly on their MVPs that they are close to Steph in terms of career achievements. Sorry but they are still both faaar away. Even Jokic with his three MVPs doesn't yet come close to defining an era the way Steph has impacted his prime years. Steph in 2021 and 2022 presented two contrasting arguments for MVP, Jokic presented the same one. Steph did not get a benefit of the doubt that someone like Magic did.
End result is that even though Steph probably would have clearly overtaken LeBron for most people, media hid that behind Giannis and Jokic talk.

Case IV
The Obvious Debate
There are media talk shows that seem to do nothing but debate basketball. This forum is geared to debating nothing but basketball. So why is it that everyone avoids the most obvious comparison of the last decade in basketball? Namely LeBron vs. Steph.
Part of the reason I think some people are so resistant to accepting Steph as a top 10 player all-time is because it makes the comparison unavoidable. But with Steph entrenching himself ever more firmly in the public imagination as not just the greatest shooter of all-time but a top 10 greatest player of all-time it becomes ever more absurd the way the topic is avoided.

Media is clearly part of the reason this debate really hasn't come to pass. They've kept comparing LeBron to Jordan while comparing Curry to Lillard for as long as they could. How ridiculous is that? It's like comparing LeBron to DeMar DeRozan. But media has popularized such a comparison.

From the above one can see that there has been a pattern of gaslighting people into thinking less of Curry. Now I'm sure there are those who would object. They may accuse me of just being a crazy Curry fan. If only the implications were limited to Curry fandom. But think on it a little more and the implications might start getting wild. If media is gaslighting people about this, what else might they be gaslighting people about?—but that might be too scary to think about.


Okay I’m not reading all of that..

Curry is called the greatest shooter of all time, is universally loved and respected, is the face of under armor,

I’m really lost who a victim of what is here.
Somewhere trying not to offend Texas Chuck.

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