2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt. 3)

[baldur]

who do you think will be the rookie of the year? castle or ware?

[Bornstellar]

who do you think will be the rookie of the year? castle or ware?

Right now it's Castle. But Mitch Johnson benching him to stupidly start CP3 and Fox isn't doing him any favors going forward. If the staff evaluates the roster during the break and (correctly) decides that Fox/Castle should be the starting backcourt then he's gonna run away with it. If he's coming off the bench the rest of the year I think the field is pretty open still

[FarBeyondDriven]

who do you think will be the rookie of the year? castle or ware?

Right now it's Castle. But Mitch Johnson benching him to stupidly start CP3 and Fox isn't doing him any favors going forward. If the staff evaluates the roster during the break and (correctly) decides that Fox/Castle should be the starting backcourt then he's gonna run away with it. If he's coming off the bench the rest of the year I think the field is pretty open still

I thought the same but he's actually done really well off the bench as sort of the 2nd unit's driving force when either Fox or CP3 is resting so he's producing like he was as a starter. I think the fact that he's the one guy of the three that can play off the ball and defend at a high level is keeping his minutes and usage up. I'd probably go with Castle at this point until further notice only because he's been producing all season and Ware sat a lot in the beginning.

[7seventynine9]

who do you think will be the rookie of the year? castle or ware?

Ware is probably too far behind too catch up, barring an incredibly strong 2nd half. He's been pretty inconsistent, too.

It's Castle's atm, but it's definitely more than a 2 man race. Risacher, Sarr and Wells are still in the mix.

There are some darkhorses too like Carrington and Collier, mostly because they get big minutes. Carrington has been playing extremely well since the Kuzma trade (16.0 points, 4.8 rebounds, 6.0 assists, .569/.500/1.000 shooting over his last 5) Collier is averaging 12.6 points, 8.8 assists, 4.2 rebounds on .473/.296/.742 shooting over the last 15. Neither are very likely to win the award but another month of good play could put them in the conversation.

I think it will ultimately come down to who finishes the year strongest.

[wemby]

who do you think will be the rookie of the year? castle or ware?

Ware is probably too far behind too catch up, barring an incredibly strong 2nd half. He's been pretty inconsistent, too.

It's Castle's atm, but it's definitely more than a 2 man race. Risacher, Sarr and Wells are still in the mix.

There are some darkhorses too like Carrington and Collier, mostly because they get big minutes. Carrington has been playing extremely well since the Kuzma trade (16.0 points, 4.8 rebounds, 6.0 assists, .569/.500/1.000 shooting over his last 5) Collier is averaging 12.6 points, 8.8 assists, 4.2 rebounds on .473/.296/.742 shooting over the last 15. Neither are very likely to win the award but another month of good play could put them in the conversation.

I think it will ultimately come down to who finishes the year strongest.

There's closer to one third of the season left rather than one half. I don't think there's time for anyone other than Wells, Edey, Sarr and Ware to catch up. It'd take some extraordinary leap from anyone outside that top 5 to win ROY IMO.

[ItsDanger]

Should be Castle at this moment. Everyone else just hasn't played enough or performed well enough to beat him.

[wemby]

Also, Castle raised his profile enough at the ASG (both in the games and in the dunk contest) that, if in doubt, he'll get the nod.

So somebody is going to have to clearly take it from him for Castle not to win ROY.

[jasonxxx102]

Ware would have had a chance if he played more early in the season but now it's too late without some insane surge.

Sarr & Risacher are possibilities just by virtue of being top picks & a crazy hot month might be all it takes at this point.

Without an injury Wells is probably too far behind and isn't gonna get the minutes

Outside of that nobody else is even worth discussing

[jasonxxx102]

I'd say that Castle is probably the only option worth betting now.

Usage is gonna go way up with no wemby

[jasonxxx102]

I'm ready to start accepting apologies from everyone who flamed me about my (100% correct) Edey takes.

Not sure how anyone can watch this guy and think he's an impact NBA player or some future starter. Big, slow, clumsy, no hands, and useless outside of 3ft.

[7seventynine9]

I'm ready to start accepting apologies from everyone who flamed me about my (100% correct) Edey takes.

Not sure how anyone can watch this guy and think he's an impact NBA player or some future starter. Big, slow, clumsy, no hands, and useless outside of 3ft.

And where are these people who think he'll be an impact player? Seems the vast majority of people think he's a 20-25 minute bench player who will play more or less depending on match ups. He'll have an Enes Kanter type of career. He could definitely be a "future starter" but I don't think that really means anything because technically he's a starter right now. He could be one of those 22 minute starters who starts the game but doesn't finish it. It's basically how he's being used now.

You can definitely do worse than having Edey as your back up big on a rookie contract. He may even offer value on his 2nd contract unless some team gets stupid. I don't get your hate for the guy. It makes you see things that aren't there, like anyone calling him an impact player. I mean, I guess before the season started there was a little hype but there really hasn't been any buzz around him since November. He will get mentioned in this thread from time time to time but it's a rookie discussion thread and this rookie class is one of the worst ever.

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[Catchall]

Cody Williams' perimeter defense looks to be good enough to keep him in the league. He made Jalen Green give up the ball on several possessions tonight and blocked one of Green's 3PAs. He's also starting to find a few ways to score--drives, floater, spot-ups.

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He probably should have been the #1 pick.

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[jasonxxx102]

I'm ready to start accepting apologies from everyone who flamed me about my (100% correct) Edey takes.

Not sure how anyone can watch this guy and think he's an impact NBA player or some future starter. Big, slow, clumsy, no hands, and useless outside of 3ft.

And where are these people who think he'll be an impact player? Seems the vast majority of people think he's a 20-25 minute bench player who will play more or less depending on match ups. He'll have an Enes Kanter type of career. He could definitely be a "future starter" but I don't think that really means anything because technically he's a starter right now. He could be one of those 22 minute starters who starts the game but doesn't finish it. It's basically how he's being used now.

You can definitely do worse than having Edey as your back up big on a rookie contract. He may even offer value on his 2nd contract unless some team gets stupid. I don't get your hate for the guy. It makes you see things that aren't there, like anyone calling him an impact player. I mean, I guess before the season started there was a little hype but there really hasn't been any buzz around him since November. He will get mentioned in this thread from time time to time but it's a rookie discussion thread and this rookie class is one of the worst ever.

They all ran away and tucked their tail. Just pull up his draft thread if you want to see the insane takes. There were people comping the guy to Yao.

I got flamed for months into the draft, and into the season when I talked about how big, slow, and a poor fit for the modern NBA Edey was.

[RRR3]

This dude honestly tried to claim he's not obsessed with Edey Also what you're saying isn't even true, both EPM and LEBRON show Edey as having a positive impact (and it's unlikely he never improves from his rookie season), and he's playing limited minutes and not really being featured on offense. This is more of a case of you being unwilling to admit you were wrong saying he'd be a terrible player, no one is saying he's going to be an all-star, but looks like a Zubac or Steven Adams level player perhaps.

[HotelVitale]

I'm ready to start accepting apologies from everyone who flamed me about my (100% correct) Edey takes.

Not sure how anyone can watch this guy and think he's an impact NBA player or some future starter. Big, slow, clumsy, no hands, and useless outside of 3ft.

And where are these people who think he'll be an impact player? Seems the vast majority of people think he's a 20-25 minute bench player who will play more or less depending on match ups. He'll have an Enes Kanter type of career. He could definitely be a "future starter" but I don't think that really means anything because technically he's a starter right now. He could be one of those 22 minute starters who starts the game but doesn't finish it. It's basically how he's being used now.

You can definitely do worse than having Edey as your back up big on a rookie contract. He may even offer value on his 2nd contract unless some team gets stupid. I don't get your hate for the guy. It makes you see things that aren't there, like anyone calling him an impact player. I mean, I guess before the season started there was a little hype but there really hasn't been any buzz around him since November. He will get mentioned in this thread from time time to time but it's a rookie discussion thread and this rookie class is one of the worst ever.

They all ran away and tucked their tail. Just pull up his draft thread if you want to see the insane takes. There were people comping the guy to Yao.

I got flamed for months into the draft, and into the season when I talked about how big, slow, and a poor fit for the modern NBA Edey was.

Eh, there are always weirdo takes in draft threads. Good posters who liked Edey and advocated for him being taken where he was had pretty modest expectations, maybe be a solid starter soon into his career. Always better to talk with the better posters and consider them a barometer of how right or wrong your take was, especially with draft stuff and prospects.

[cupcakesnake]

who do you think will be the rookie of the year? castle or ware?

Ware is probably too far behind too catch up, barring an incredibly strong 2nd half. He's been pretty inconsistent, too.

It's Castle's atm, but it's definitely more than a 2 man race. Risacher, Sarr and Wells are still in the mix.

There are some darkhorses too like Carrington and Collier, mostly because they get big minutes. Carrington has been playing extremely well since the Kuzma trade (16.0 points, 4.8 rebounds, 6.0 assists, .569/.500/1.000 shooting over his last 5) Collier is averaging 12.6 points, 8.8 assists, 4.2 rebounds on .473/.296/.742 shooting over the last 15. Neither are very likely to win the award but another month of good play could put them in the conversation.

I think it will ultimately come down to who finishes the year strongest.

There's closer to one third of the season left rather than one half. I don't think there's time for anyone other than Wells, Edey, Sarr and Ware to catch up. It'd take some extraordinary leap from anyone outside that top 5 to win ROY IMO.

No extraordinary leap is needed to surpass a guy averaging 12ppg on 41/28/72 shooting splits. I love Castle, love his playmaking and defense, but this race is pretty open to anyone making a campaign.

Any rookie currently averaging over 20mpg that has played at least 50 games is still in this. To be fair that's only 7 rookies, lol. Stephon Castle is more of a default place holder than a front runner. If someone like Rissacher got hot, or Missi started piling up numbers in a way that caught people's attention, they'd be right in this. Edey would probably just need a few weeks of Memphis upping his minutes to get into the driver's seat of this race.

This isn't Castle hate. He's probably my favorite rookie. I just don't think it's realistic to imagine there's any real substantial distance in this rookie race.

[jasonxxx102]

This dude honestly tried to claim he's not obsessed with Edey Also what you're saying isn't even true, both EPM and LEBRON show Edey as having a positive impact (and it's unlikely he never improves from his rookie season), and he's playing limited minutes and not really being featured on offense. This is more of a case of you being unwilling to admit you were wrong saying he'd be a terrible player, no one is saying he's going to be an all-star, but looks like a Zubac or Steven Adams level player perhaps.

You clearly do not understand how to use these metrics or what they mean if you think them being positive means that they show he is having a positive impact. He's 9th on his own team in EPM....

He's playing limited minutes because he's not good. He can't guard anyone, he stays getting cooked on defense every single game and Jenkins pulls him because the grizzlies want to win.

Why would I admit I'm wrong when the guy is no good?? I've been 100% correct about Edey. If you want to die on this hill, it will just be funnier in the end.

Just tell me where he's going to improve? Are his hands going to magically become soft and he will start catching passes? Is he going to somehow get faster and more agile to allow him to not have to play deep drop and get absolutely cooked on the perimeter? Is he going to stop fumbling the ball when he dribbles more than twice?

He's 39th percentile in rim differential, 11th percentile in defensive shot quality influence, he offers 0 playmaking or passing skill, he turns the ball over too much for his usage, and can't score except for lobs and putbacks. He will get passed the ball on the block, take 1 dribble and pass it back out.

The only thing you can hide behind is his low minutes and low offensive involvement. You never considered that maybe there's a reason for that?