Luka Doncic is now 270 pounds

[celtics543]

I think you can have two separate opinions on this trade:

1. The Mavs didn't get enough and basically gave Luka away.

2. Luka is a younger version of James Harden and won't be winning a title at any point because he doesn't take care of himself and he plays no defense. His lack of taking care of his body will catch up with him as he ages and this will be his peak.

Those are not mutually exclusive opinions to have.

This take is mutually exclusive with being smart.

I didn't say they were correct takes. Just that they can both be true. I wouldn't have traded Luka for that pu pu platter either.

[Handlez]

Oh and it's hilarious people think the Mavs are contenders now.

LMAO.

Just wait. That team is FINISHED.

No. AD, Kyrie, Lively, Washington, Thompson is too good of a squad and works.

Lol okay.

They are not sniffing the finals again.

Absurd to believe they will.

[NDaATL]

I think you can have two separate opinions on this trade:

1. The Mavs didn't get enough and basically gave Luka away.

2. Luka is a younger version of James Harden and won't be winning a title at any point because he doesn't take care of himself and he plays no defense. His lack of taking care of his body will catch up with him as he ages and this will be his peak.

Those are not mutually exclusive opinions to have.

This take is mutually exclusive with being smart.

I didn't say they were correct takes. Just that they can both be true. I wouldn't have traded Luka for that pu pu platter either.

Harden would've won a chip in Houston if Chris Paul doesn't get hurt and they didn't miss like 30+ threes in a row in Game 7. Over the KD Warriors also.

He also would've won in Brooklyn IMO. Harden and Irving both getting hurt in the playoffs killed them, and they still took the champs to game 7 and were one inch away from beating them.

There is a lot of luck in winning a championship with injuries, etc and sometimes your teammates have to step up.

[cgf]

Mbappe is about the same age as Luka and is still arguably the a top 3 striker in the world, many would argue he's the best

I mean, if that's him not trying to get better..any team would be happy to have a world class player

Besides, I don't buy into Luka not being competitive or competitive enough. he may not be professional enough but that's different than competitiveness

5 years ago Mbappe looked like the next Ronaldo/Messi tier GOAT contender, who would be in a tier of his own with Haaland for a decade+. Now he's not even Real's key man. He's still an amazing talent, but he's just one of the best right now along with Wirtz / Musiala / Haaland / Bellingham / Vini / etc.; not running out ahead of the pack.

Not saying I think Luka will become Zion, but I do wonder if he'll ever reach an even higher level or if he won't become more mortal.

Luka going to the Lakers just gives me Mbappe finally going to Real vibes.

Dude Mbappe and Luka aren't even in the same situation. Mbappe went to a team where their attacking trio all play at their best from the left side flank as their starting point. Is it a coincidence that Mbappe has been beasting whenever Vini has been out?

Luka is going to be the main offensive hub on this team Lebron will play a lot more off ball. In theory this duo is gonna be great.

Fact of the matter is ever since the Bilbao game where he missed the penalty Bappe has been clear the best player along with bellingham for a good while now.

Vini will probably be on the move.


And bappe not playing with the natonal team is clearly because he refused to play in that crap friendly tournament Nations league.

Bappe has had like 22 goals or something in all competitions and we're half way through the season. He's fine.

Not the same situation but I wonder if there will be some similarities. Similar age, similar GOAT hype when they first broke out, similar ascent to greatness at a crazy young age, some rumblings about their focus as they started to eye moves to more prestigious / famous clubs. Plenty of differences too, but there are similarities and I'm starting to wonder if either of them are as insanely competitive as you need to be to maintain that kind of GOAT level for a decade+


I agree with the fit issues at Real, but french fans were carping about Mbappe's focus last year as well and down the stretch of the season before. So this isn't just about going to a more difficult situation and that rattling his confidence/focus all around. Not saying that's not a factor, but we're at two-three years of Mbappe being just one of the best players in the world, not one of two frontrunners for the BdO, like he had been and it looked like he would continue to be into his 30s.

But you're right, Mbappe could still settle in at Real and reach new heights that we haven't seen from him yet...like I said, the ability is still there to do things that nobody else can. But Kylian actually reaching those even greater heights is nowhere near as certain as it looked just 3-4 years ago, and I kinda feel the same way about Luka & his GOAT case.

Could totally just be me though. Wouldn't be the first time my gut led me astray from the majority but just the fact that you're putting Jude on the same level as him now, feels like proof to me that he doesn't stand out as much as he used to. Because Jude's been at this level going back to his final few BVB seasons and if I had put him & Mbappe as equals just 3 seasons ago, when jude almost led BVB to the BuLi title, I'd have been fairly called a BuLi homer.

[TinmanZBoy]

Who cares, fat boy nikola is still indisputable No.1

[NBA Sheady]

He's an alcoholic. Takes one to know one.

Not sure how this is the conclusion when he’s injured and probably just haven’t been healthy enough to work out. But if this is true, then you get him help not trade him.

For all we know, he declined the help, which triggered their decision.

[cgf]

This is not a good example brother. It's obvious Mbappe doesn't look as good because he went from competing in a mediocre league (France) to arguably the best one in the world (Spain). It's obvious he would not look as good.

Luka is staying in the same league and joining a team with the exact same calibre of help surrounding him. He WILL be the key man because he's a top 5-10 NBA player based on his appearances this season and top 3 in most of his recent seasons. Lebron and Kyrie roughly equal at this age as 1B's. Role players average on both teams. Luka's just gonna Luka. First fat, then he'll drop some as he plays, then he'll drop some more this summer. Just like that.

Everyone's going to say "but you weren't sure he'd do that" but I am sure he will and you wouldn't bet against it. I am also 100% sure that a mental health professional could have sorted his conditioning issues for Dallas - it's not that big a deal to fix, you just can't hope the person does it on their own sometimes. It's common knowledge. You don't have to trade him for 36 year old AD and a useless pick.

You can downplay the ligue 1 titles PSG won, but Mbappe dominated at the CL and NT levels as well, and he's just has not been at that same level the past couple years, which is why even the French NT can't rely on him like they used to. He could get back there...the ability hasn't gone, but the fire to make the most of that ability isn't there anymore.

That's why this isn't about the level of competition, this is about Mbappe feeling he doesn't have anything left to prove and it's ok for him to ditch his team to go partying in sweden. Luka hasn't won as much as Mbappe, which is the main difference, but if Luka wasn't as hungry to win as Kylian when they first came up, that may not be that meaningful.

Not trying to justify the trade and I don't care if Luka has a dad-bod, just my gut reaction to this trade was similar to Mbappe finally going to Real.

I don't watch football anymore, but fact of the matter is French League is just easier than Spanish league. Just ranked a bit lower. I don't support either of them. I'm not against either of them. That's an easier league. He probably benefitted from the easier games.

So just based on that you should expect Mbappe to not perform as well. The stress and competition for minutes is higher.

It's a different thing. I'm sure Luka is happy to be in LA, I don't think it has much to do with him though.

Don't let any of my french friends here this, but Ligue 1 isn't exactly far behind. They haven't had a Barca or Atleti, but the mid and lower levels have been as good as any league on the continent because their academies have just been pumping out an annoying amount of talent, year after year. Those kids leave for bigger clubs in other leagues...and are replaced by new kids just as fast.

Plus the defensive structure of most clubs in Ligue 1 is a lot better than a more talented league like the EPL, which actually makes it one of the tougher leagues to score in, despite not having the money or prestige of Spain or England.

Now I need a shower lol. But Mbappe's focus slipping didn't start after the move to real, it started about two years ago, so this is the third season running that he has been just one of the best, and not in a tier of his own that only Haaland could compete with.

[Tracymcgoaty]

5 years ago Mbappe looked like the next Ronaldo/Messi tier GOAT contender, who would be in a tier of his own with Haaland for a decade+. Now he's not even Real's key man. He's still an amazing talent, but he's just one of the best right now along with Wirtz / Musiala / Haaland / Bellingham / Vini / etc.; not running out ahead of the pack.

Not saying I think Luka will become Zion, but I do wonder if he'll ever reach an even higher level or if he won't become more mortal.

Luka going to the Lakers just gives me Mbappe finally going to Real vibes.

Dude Mbappe and Luka aren't even in the same situation. Mbappe went to a team where their attacking trio all play at their best from the left side flank as their starting point. Is it a coincidence that Mbappe has been beasting whenever Vini has been out?

Luka is going to be the main offensive hub on this team Lebron will play a lot more off ball. In theory this duo is gonna be great.

Fact of the matter is ever since the Bilbao game where he missed the penalty Bappe has been clear the best player along with bellingham for a good while now.

Vini will probably be on the move.


And bappe not playing with the natonal team is clearly because he refused to play in that crap friendly tournament Nations league.

Bappe has had like 22 goals or something in all competitions and we're half way through the season. He's fine.

Not the same situation but I wonder if there will be some similarities. Similar age, similar GOAT hype when they first broke out, similar ascent to greatness at a crazy young age, some rumblings about their focus as they started to eye moves to more prestigious / famous clubs. Plenty of differences too, but there are similarities and I'm starting to wonder if either of them are as insanely competitive as you need to be to maintain that kind of GOAT level for a decade+


I agree with the fit issues at Real, but french fans were carping about Mbappe's focus last year as well and down the stretch of the season before. So this isn't just about going to a more difficult situation and that rattling his confidence/focus all around. Not saying that's not a factor, but we're at two-three years of Mbappe being just one of the best players in the world, not one of two frontrunners for the BdO, like he had been and it looked like he would continue to be into his 30s.

But you're right, Mbappe could still settle in at Real and reach new heights that we haven't seen from him yet...like I said, the ability is still there to do things that nobody else can. But Kylian actually reaching those even greater heights is nowhere near as certain as it looked just 3-4 years ago, and I kinda feel the same way about Luka & his GOAT case.

Could totally just be me though. Wouldn't be the first time my gut led me astray from the majority but just the fact that you're putting Jude on the same level as him now, feels like proof to me that he doesn't stand out as much as he used to. Because Jude's been at this level going back to his final few BVB seasons and if I had put him & Mbappe as equals just 3 seasons ago, when jude almost led BVB to the BuLi title, I'd have been fairly called a BuLi homer.

Yeah i understand where the Bappe worries come from they are def warranted. I think the worst thing that could happen to him is to be compared to what arguably are footballs two biggest anomalies when it comes to every season performing at the top level.

I have no doubt Bappe will be great though. Of course if we're comparing him to those two i think he'll come up short


But i think if there's any team Bappe will be humbled at it's Real. Fans are relentless and he'll hear about it. As he already has this season.

PSG gave him the club as a kid. Stuff like that messes with the EGO in a major way.

[FrodoFraggins]

LeBron going to take Luka to Miami for his annual HGH refill, he'll be in shape in no time

HGH isn't magic. Luka still needs to exercise

[Archx]

I mean these aren’t made up narratives whatsoever.

Everyone ripped Luka in the Finals last year for his lazy defense, for being out of shape, complaining to the refs etc. He was out of shape.

These are all legit criticisms. Just not legit enough to actually trade him.

Ok but that's different. He played with pain injections to his back and knee. He was limping up and down the floor bleeding from his knee's entire playoffs as well. He made 9 3's in their first 2 games and role players made 4. It was legendary tank job by the team on offensive side. Mavs actually played the best defense vs Celtics out of any team in playoffs.

[Raps in 4]

I mean these aren’t made up narratives whatsoever.

Everyone ripped Luka in the Finals last year for his lazy defense, for being out of shape, complaining to the refs etc. He was out of shape.

These are all legit criticisms. Just not legit enough to actually trade him.

Except they are made up narratives. One does not lead a mediocre supporting cast to the finals if they are out of shape and lazy.

[cgf]

Dude Mbappe and Luka aren't even in the same situation. Mbappe went to a team where their attacking trio all play at their best from the left side flank as their starting point. Is it a coincidence that Mbappe has been beasting whenever Vini has been out?

Luka is going to be the main offensive hub on this team Lebron will play a lot more off ball. In theory this duo is gonna be great.

Fact of the matter is ever since the Bilbao game where he missed the penalty Bappe has been clear the best player along with bellingham for a good while now.

Vini will probably be on the move.


And bappe not playing with the natonal team is clearly because he refused to play in that crap friendly tournament Nations league.

Bappe has had like 22 goals or something in all competitions and we're half way through the season. He's fine.

Not the same situation but I wonder if there will be some similarities. Similar age, similar GOAT hype when they first broke out, similar ascent to greatness at a crazy young age, some rumblings about their focus as they started to eye moves to more prestigious / famous clubs. Plenty of differences too, but there are similarities and I'm starting to wonder if either of them are as insanely competitive as you need to be to maintain that kind of GOAT level for a decade+


I agree with the fit issues at Real, but french fans were carping about Mbappe's focus last year as well and down the stretch of the season before. So this isn't just about going to a more difficult situation and that rattling his confidence/focus all around. Not saying that's not a factor, but we're at two-three years of Mbappe being just one of the best players in the world, not one of two frontrunners for the BdO, like he had been and it looked like he would continue to be into his 30s.

But you're right, Mbappe could still settle in at Real and reach new heights that we haven't seen from him yet...like I said, the ability is still there to do things that nobody else can. But Kylian actually reaching those even greater heights is nowhere near as certain as it looked just 3-4 years ago, and I kinda feel the same way about Luka & his GOAT case.

Could totally just be me though. Wouldn't be the first time my gut led me astray from the majority but just the fact that you're putting Jude on the same level as him now, feels like proof to me that he doesn't stand out as much as he used to. Because Jude's been at this level going back to his final few BVB seasons and if I had put him & Mbappe as equals just 3 seasons ago, when jude almost led BVB to the BuLi title, I'd have been fairly called a BuLi homer.

Yeah i understand where the Bappe worries come from they are def warranted. I think the worst thing that could happen to him is to be compared to what arguably are footballs two biggest anomalies when it comes to every season performing at the top level.

I have no doubt Bappe will be great though. Of course if we're comparing him to those two i think he'll come up short


But i think if there's any team Bappe will be humbled at it's Real. Fans are relentless and he'll hear about it. As he already has this season.

PSG gave him the club as a kid. Stuff like that messes with the EGO in a major way.

Yeah, it takes a lot of ego to be obsessed with greatness enough to make it as an elite athlete, but that ego can cut both ways, even with someone who always seemed to have a really good head on his shoulders, like Mbappe. I think he'll bang in tons of goals, but I don't think we'll ever get 'perennial favorite for the Balon d'Or' Mbappe again.

Part of that is Musiala and Wirtz being the most talented German players of my lifetime; Haaland & Jude getting recognized for their greatness after leaving Dortmund; etc. that has made the competition is stiffer. But part of that is Mbappe's own form & focus; which I'm skeptical about ever getting back to where it was, especially with Jude being the leader of that Madrid team...like LeBron might try to continue to be in LA...

Like I said, don't think Luka will go the way of Zion and I don't care that during the summers my 36yo ass is in significantly better shape than him. But I'm a lot less confident that Luka will ever reach that next level where he separates himself from other All-timers than I was 3-4 years ago. And I do wonder if we're already watching peak Luka.

[Tottery]

Oh and it's hilarious people think the Mavs are contenders now.

LMAO.

Just wait. That team is FINISHED.

No. AD, Kyrie, Lively, Washington, Thompson is too good of a squad and works.

Lol okay.

They are not sniffing the finals again.

Absurd to believe they will.

Even though I wouldnt have made this trade, it's showing how under valued AD is. Mavs defense is instantly better with AD and Christie. Playmaker is there with Irving.

AD
Irving
Lively
Gafford
Washington
Thompson
Christie
Dinwiddie
Marshall
Powell

Idk how anyone can look at that roster and think its a bust.

[BruttoNostra]

No. AD, Kyrie, Lively, Washington, Thompson is too good of a squad and works.

Lol okay.

They are not sniffing the finals again.

Absurd to believe they will.

Even though I wouldnt have made this trade, it's showing how under valued AD is. Mavs defense is instantly better with AD and Christie. Playmaker is there with Irving.
AD
Irving
Lively
Gafford
Washington
Thompson
Christie
Dinwiddie
Marshall
Powell

Idk how anyone can look at that roster and think its a bust.

Irving is an amazing scorer, one of the best in the league, but he's not a playmaker. He can be your secondary ballhandler, but right now Dallas are stuck with two secondary ballhandlers in Kyrie and Dinwiddie, averaging 5 APG and 3.9 APG in their last 10 (just because it's what ESPN provides, but I doubt they ALL non-Luka games averages are much different).
But it's not only the stupid counting stats, it's the eye test as well. They might win some tough games with crazy shooting or defense (especially now with AD), but hell no, they don't have any elite playmaking

[HotRocks34]

This is not 270 pounds.

[Tottery]

This is not 270 pounds.

He is 6'6. 270 lbs...even 300 lbs. will look different than someone 5'9.

[An Unbiased Fan]

This is not 270 pounds.

He is 6'6. 270 lbs...even 300 lbs. will look different than someone 5'9.

That's not 270 on a 6'6 frame at all

[HotRocks34]

This is not 270 pounds.

He is 6'6. 270 lbs...even 300 lbs. will look different than someone 5'9.

That's not 270. Probably closer to 250.

At 270 Luka looks fatter, and that's not what he looks like here.

Luka's playing weight is supposedly 245-255.

270 was a number from earlier this season, not now.

[HotRocks34]

Luka in his rookie year. Around 230 pounds, I think.

Still can see a slight bit of stomach although he is leaning over.

No way he's 270 now.

[LuckyGreen7]

Why do people think that Luka will suddenly get a chip on his shoulder and actually get in shape now that he's in LA? Shouldn't having sniffed the title and failed been enough motivation to come into this season in the best shape of his career?

He should be 235-240 max. And those saying he's gotten fat because he's injured seem to not understand that weight is 80% about what you put in your mouth and 20% exercise.

Luka lacks the discipline and drive to be the best he can be.