How does Denver retool in the offseason (Who wants Murray/MPJ?)

[stoo]

i see a lot of denver fans suggesting stupid trades that gets you 3 good players for mpj. that is not happening.
i see a lot of people saying mpj is untradable. that is simply not true.
i see people trading away braun. that will not happen.
jokic, ag and braun are the only locks to stay with the team.

[ACMFFL]

Denver:

Michael Porter, Jr + Jalen Pickett + future protected 1st

FOR

PJ Washington + Naji Marshall + Max Christie

————

Denver:

C - Nikola Jokic | DaRon Holmes
PF - Aaron Gordon | PJ Washington
SF - Naji Marshall
SG - Christian Braun | Max Christie
PG - Jamal Murray | Russell Westbrook

Dallas:

C - Cooper Flagg | Daniel Gafford | Dereck Lively
PF - Anthony Davis
SF - Michael Porter Jr | Caleb Martin
SG - Klay Thompson
PG - Kyrie Irving

This is brutal for the Mavs.
And btw it's not even legal, Dallas can't take back more salaries than they send out.

[Ugly0598]

Denver:

Michael Porter, Jr + Jalen Pickett + future protected 1st

FOR

PJ Washington + Naji Marshall + Max Christie

————

Denver:

C - Nikola Jokic | DaRon Holmes
PF - Aaron Gordon | PJ Washington
SF - Naji Marshall
SG - Christian Braun | Max Christie
PG - Jamal Murray | Russell Westbrook

Dallas:

C - Cooper Flagg | Daniel Gafford | Dereck Lively
PF - Anthony Davis
SF - Michael Porter Jr | Caleb Martin
SG - Klay Thompson
PG - Kyrie Irving

This is brutal for the Mavs.
And btw it's not even legal, Dallas can't take back more salaries than they send out.

Porter Jr is a 13-18 PPG scorer, 6-7 rebounds, has times of defense. I don’t fully agree, especially with a 1st round pick.

The salaries can be matched somehow somewhere. doesn’t want to pay JaVale McGee.

[TheShow2021]

jokic, ag and braun are the only locks to stay with the team.

This is not logical, I hope Denver's new GM isn't this daft. If anything, Denver or any team should "sell high" and "buy low".

Braun is overrated in the same way Bruce Brown was overrated. He would suck offensively just like Bruce sucks offensively without a superstar with elite gravity or fast break creation.

Ironically, it's usually Braun's or AG's man who leaves to double Jokic without much of a repercussion.
Just like Braun, AG is very inefficient when not assisted, and the great majority of of AGs assisted makes are off of a Jokic pass, or Jokic getting doubled. AG also is a horrific rim protector which is a bad fit with the horrific rim protecting Jokic. AG also loves to ruin the spacing by parking himself in the dunker's spot.

MPJs value is in the gutter, and he shouldn't be traded for scraps. In early Feb he had 3 straight 30+ point games on efficient shooting, then he got injured... It's very likely his trade value would be higher at the trade deadline or next off season.

If they can't find a way to become a championship contender by exploring trading everyone not named Jokic, they should absolutely consider trading Jokic while his value is the highest.

[ACMFFL]

Denver:

Michael Porter, Jr + Jalen Pickett + future protected 1st

FOR

PJ Washington + Naji Marshall + Max Christie

————

Denver:

C - Nikola Jokic | DaRon Holmes
PF - Aaron Gordon | PJ Washington
SF - Naji Marshall
SG - Christian Braun | Max Christie
PG - Jamal Murray | Russell Westbrook

Dallas:

C - Cooper Flagg | Daniel Gafford | Dereck Lively
PF - Anthony Davis
SF - Michael Porter Jr | Caleb Martin
SG - Klay Thompson
PG - Kyrie Irving

This is brutal for the Mavs.
And btw it's not even legal, Dallas can't take back more salaries than they send out.

Porter Jr is a 13-18 PPG scorer, 6-7 rebounds, has times of defense. I don’t fully agree, especially with a 1st round pick.

The salaries can be matched somehow somewhere. doesn’t want to pay JaVale McGee.

I'd rather keep PJ who is giving me similar production (ofc MPJ is a way better shooter and scorer, but I still take PJW defense) for half of MPJ salary. Let alone adding 2 rotational players.
Also Denver can only move their 2031 1st, so if they protect the pick, Mavs could get nothing if it doesnt convey.

[donkki]

I don't really see how Denver can re-tool. They don't have much draft capital and they have a bunch of overpaid players on the roster. They are stuck with this team. Just gotta hope the young guys take a step in the offseason and some free agents take a paycut to play with Joker

I was thinking the same. They seem to be in quite difficult position when trying to improve the current roster. I have some doubts players like MPJ will get what some Denver fans think he should be worth.

I know it might seem crazy to think about trading Jokic, but then again if you consider the roster limited and see no ways to improve it, and now when Jokic's value is at an all time high, it might worthwhile to at least explore the idea. No reason to hold on the Jokic until the end, if the team is just falling apart around him. His value might decrease, but if you make the deal right now you would certainly be looking at an incredible return.

[Patches Perry]

Denver:

Michael Porter, Jr + Jalen Pickett + future protected 1st

FOR

PJ Washington + Naji Marshall + Max Christie

————

Denver:

C - Nikola Jokic | DaRon Holmes
PF - Aaron Gordon | PJ Washington
SF - Naji Marshall
SG - Christian Braun | Max Christie
PG - Jamal Murray | Russell Westbrook

Dallas:

C - Cooper Flagg | Daniel Gafford | Dereck Lively
PF - Anthony Davis
SF - Michael Porter Jr | Caleb Martin
SG - Klay Thompson
PG - Kyrie Irving

This is brutal for the Mavs.
And btw it's not even legal, Dallas can't take back more salaries than they send out.

Porter Jr is a 13-18 PPG scorer, 6-7 rebounds, has times of defense. I don’t fully agree, especially with a 1st round pick.

The salaries can be matched somehow somewhere. doesn’t want to pay JaVale McGee.

I don't see any way the Mavericks do that. Maybe if Dallas trades Klay instead of PJ, it could work (not sure about salaries).

[Ugly0598]

This is brutal for the Mavs.
And btw it's not even legal, Dallas can't take back more salaries than they send out.

Porter Jr is a 13-18 PPG scorer, 6-7 rebounds, has times of defense. I don’t fully agree, especially with a 1st round pick.

The salaries can be matched somehow somewhere. doesn’t want to pay JaVale McGee.

I don't see any way the Mavericks do that. Maybe if Dallas trades Klay instead of PJ, it could work (not sure about salaries).

Well, Dallas does have a good number of centers.

[FreeBird23]

MPJ and Strawther for Vucevic and Huerter.
Nnaji and Pickett for Thybulle
Sign Mamukelashvili with MLE

Jokic / Holmes II
Vucevic / Mamukelashvili
Gordon / Huerter / Watson
Braun / Thybulle
Murray / Westbrook

[MMyhre]

Denver:

Michael Porter, Jr + Jalen Pickett + future protected 1st

FOR

PJ Washington + Naji Marshall + Max Christie

————

Denver:

C - Nikola Jokic | DaRon Holmes
PF - Aaron Gordon | PJ Washington
SF - Naji Marshall
SG - Christian Braun | Max Christie
PG - Jamal Murray | Russell Westbrook

Dallas:

C - Cooper Flagg | Daniel Gafford | Dereck Lively
PF - Anthony Davis
SF - Michael Porter Jr | Caleb Martin
SG - Klay Thompson
PG - Kyrie Irving

Hahaha, Klay and MPJ together, and Flagg as the center?????????

[MMyhre]

I don't really see how Denver can re-tool. They don't have much draft capital and they have a bunch of overpaid players on the roster. They are stuck with this team. Just gotta hope the young guys take a step in the offseason and some free agents take a paycut to play with Joker

I was thinking the same. They seem to be in quite difficult position when trying to improve the current roster. I have some doubts players like MPJ will get what some Denver fans think he should be worth.

I know it might seem crazy to think about trading Jokic, but then again if you consider the roster limited and see no ways to improve it, and now when Jokic's value is at an all time high, it might worthwhile to at least explore the idea. No reason to hold on the Jokic until the end, if the team is just falling apart around him. His value might decrease, but if you make the deal right now you would certainly be looking at an incredible return.

Absolutely. Murray and MPJ has fallen off a cliff due to unprofessionalism, you gotta move on, they are not a contender.

[PlatinumState]

Murray's contract is gonna weight heavily on Denver the next 4 years. Much more so than MPJ's. I dont see what team would take on Jamal's 226 million thats owed. And with all that cap space tied up, who can they even sign this offseason?

[syrus3]

No GM can save this team. That’s how badly Booth damaged it.

The Cavs should be on the phone with Denver now. Ironically, the other team that makes sense would be OKC. They have all the assets to make it happen.

[JayMKE]

It’s funny how different the narrative is between Giannis and Jokic when in pretty similar situations. NBA media has wanted Giannis out of Milwaukee for a decade and they try as hard as they can to just ignore Jokic.

[_NoMas]

Denver receive:

Cam Johnson
Keon Ellis
Jonas Valanciunas

Kings receive:

MPJ
Jalen Pickett
Den 2031 frp

Nets receive:

Derozan
Strawther
2 seconds from the Kings

I’m desperate lol. I can see why for Denver, but what do both the kings/nets need to sweeten the deal? At best I think the nets would get one frp for Cam J. Is some seconds plus derozan (who they could move before next years trade deadline) plus Strawther work?
Do the Kings need more than MPJ and a first? Not sure what else could be added to sweeten the deal

[dantas]

I think Denver needs an experienced coach. David Adelman messed up with time outs and didn't think the series through.

[jokeboy86]

It’s funny how different the narrative is between Giannis and Jokic when in pretty similar situations. NBA media has wanted Giannis out of Milwaukee for a decade and they try as hard as they can to just ignore Jokic.

It’s simple though. Jokic doesn’t run his mouth as much as Giannis. People may love that Giannis is honest and blunt and says whatever is in his head but a lot of this speculation every year since ‘19 is because of things he himself has said. Saying he’ll do what’s best for his family or saying maybes, ifs, or who knows or talking about his legacy every offseason is the main reason the media runs wild with ideas of him leaving. Not to mention the way Bucks management never know if he’s bluffing or not when he talks but basically don’t want to wait to find out so they make knee jerk reactions and moves in order to appease him. We’ve never heard about Denver making moves to appease Jokic because they don’t have to worry about him passive aggressively putting pressure on his organization with interviews. When Jokic’s seasons have ended without titles we usually don’t hear from him again until the season starts. Guaranteed you Giannis is going to do some off season interview (regardless if he asks for a trade this year) in his native language or something talking about how he wants or has to win another ring and he won’t be satisfied until he has etc.

[Wargreymon]

Jokic/Braun/AG are the only untouchables they should keep. One or both Murray/MPJ needs to be moved. Maybe the Celtics could be trade partners with Jrue/Porzingis?

[_NoMas]

Another suggestion.

Denver gets Porzingis and Lonzo Ball. Gives up MPJ and first round pick to the Bulls, and Strawther to the Celtics… who also get Vucevic from the Bulls.

Denver gets 2 solid rotational players, including a perfect big to play with Jokic and cover the 5 in non Jokic mins. 2 massively injury prone players though!

Bulls get off Vucevic, and for him and Ball get MPJ and a frp - decent value?

The Celtics replace Porzingis with another big who can shoot (a bit), Strawther as a decent young player but, more importantly, get well under the second apron and will have the cap space in the summer of 26 with Vucevics expiring contract.

[JayMKE]

It’s funny how different the narrative is between Giannis and Jokic when in pretty similar situations. NBA media has wanted Giannis out of Milwaukee for a decade and they try as hard as they can to just ignore Jokic.

It’s simple though. Jokic doesn’t run his mouth as much as Giannis. People may love that Giannis is honest and blunt and says whatever is in his head but a lot of this speculation every year since ‘19 is because of things he himself has said. Saying he’ll do what’s best for his family or saying maybes, ifs, or who knows or talking about his legacy every offseason is the main reason the media runs wild with ideas of him leaving. Not to mention the way Bucks management never know if he’s bluffing or not when he talks but basically don’t want to wait to find out so they make knee jerk reactions and moves in order to appease him. We’ve never heard about Denver making moves to appease Jokic because they don’t have to worry about him passive aggressively putting pressure on his organization with interviews. When Jokic’s seasons have ended without titles we usually don’t hear from him again until the season starts. Guaranteed you Giannis is going to do some off season interview (regardless if he asks for a trade this year) in his native language or something talking about how he wants or has to win another ring and he won’t be satisfied until he has etc.

I know Jokic comes off as a guy who doesn’t care about those things in interviews but I don’t think you can be as good as Jokic is without loving basketball and competing. Giannis speaks emotionally and wears his heart on his sleeve, he talks more about loyalty and family than anyone else too so I don’t think it’s trying to be passive aggressive. NBA media has just wanted Giannis out of Milwaukee even before then, those questions being asked are evidence of it.