What would you give for Garland ?

[Iwasawitness]

Caruso and Wiggins isn't enough hahaha

Plus SGA hated playing with Giddey because he told Presti 'i am a PG'.

Caruso and Wiggins is definitely enough.

Two backups for your 25 year old, two-time All-Star PG is enough?

This is a horribly (and purposely) inaccurate portrayal of what we'd be getting back in return. Yeah sure, they are in fact two backups, but there's a lot more here you're ignoring.

[TorontoBarneys]

Quickley, Dick, and #9 for Garland?

[JujitsuFlip]

But none of those things were known when those trades were made, so what point are you trying to make?

Can you show me any recent trades, especially for guards, that show the value you are expecting? I feel like i've done my part in showing the precedent and coming up with trade offers.

And please, do not hit me with the Donovan Mitchell/Luka level trades/value.

Butler, KP, Allen, Pascal, and BI are all players traded recently that are also arguably better than Garland, and went for what i'm propossing, or much much less.

I think you're just trolling at this point

Buddy you're the troll. You're using expiring guys and/or guys in their mid 30s as examples for what you think a 25 year old 2x All-Star with 3 years left on his deal should go for...

You're comparing apples to hammers.

How is he trolling? Garland is so sleight. His game falls apart in the PO's because he can't handle the PO whistle and can't finish at the rim when they allow more contact.

Good regular season player. But if he's not hitting 3's he's streaky as hell.

His value is higher than the perpetually injured Jonathan Isaac, the bust of Scoot Henderson, and a mid 1st.

Sorry, that is not a crazy take to push back on that garbage return.

Is Garland expiring? No.
Is he old? No.
Is he an issue on/off the court? No.

Not a single trade shi-woo presented makes a single lick of sense to gauge Garland's potetinal return assets.

[JujitsuFlip]

Quickley, Dick, and #9 for Garland?

No, Ingram and Agbaji is the starting asking price.

[jbk1234]

But none of those things were known when those trades were made, so what point are you trying to make?

Can you show me any recent trades, especially for guards, that show the value you are expecting? I feel like i've done my part in showing the precedent and coming up with trade offers.

And please, do not hit me with the Donovan Mitchell/Luka level trades/value.

Butler, KP, Allen, Pascal, and BI are all players traded recently that are also arguably better than Garland, and went for what i'm propossing, or much much less.

I think you're just trolling at this point

Buddy you're the troll. You're using expiring guys and/or guys in their mid 30s as examples for what you think a 25 year old 2x All-Star with 3 years left on his deal should go for...

You're comparing apples to hammers.

How is he trolling? Garland is so sleight. His game falls apart in the PO's because he can't handle the PO whistle and can't finish at the rim when they allow more contact.

Good regular season player. But if he's not hitting 3's he's streaky as hell.

He was healthy against the Knicks two years ago and was responsible for the Cavs only victory against that team. He dropped 30 against the Celtics in Game 4 of that series last year. He was able to pull that off despite Mobley being the only other credible threat and having lost 20 lbs midseason. The primary concern with Garland is staying healthy. It's clear now he shouldn't have listened to the critics and played at all against the Pacers (even if his first game back was the Cavs only W in that series).

The Cavs have issues to think about this summer. A big part of the perceived value Ty was thought to have was postseason injury insurance for either Garland or Mitchell. After the Pacers series, that is in serious doubt. Merrill is a F.A. as well. If you're starting two undersized guards with defensive limitations, I think they need to examine whether backing them up with two more guards of the same archetype is a good idea.

However there is no problem the Cavs have that gets resolved by selling low on Garland. None. The Cavs will be happy to keep him.

[bisme37]

Trade value probably increases now that we know he has great toes.

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[shi-woo]

Buddy you're the troll. You're using expiring guys and/or guys in their mid 30s as examples for what you think a 25 year old 2x All-Star with 3 years left on his deal should go for...

You're comparing apples to hammers.

How is he trolling? Garland is so sleight. His game falls apart in the PO's because he can't handle the PO whistle and can't finish at the rim when they allow more contact.

Good regular season player. But if he's not hitting 3's he's streaky as hell.

His value is higher than the perpetually injured Jonathan Isaac, the bust of Scoot Henderson, and a mid 1st.

Sorry, that is not a crazy take to push back on that garbage return.

Is Garland expiring? No.
Is he old? No.
Is he an issue on/off the court? No.

Not a single trade shi-woo presented makes a single lick of sense to gauge Garland's potetinal return assets.

Still patiently waiting on your trades from the past to show proper value, also still waiting on a trade proposal from you that shows what you think adequate value is for Garland.

More examples from me to get your heart rate going this afternoon

Deron Williams, 2x All-NBA at that point and mid 20's, traded for Favors and 2 FRP
Chris Paul at 25 traded for Aminu, Gordon, Kamen and a FRP
Jrue at age 22 after making his first AS team, was traded for Nerlens Noel (the 6th pick) and a FRP
Kyrie, who made multiple All-Stars and an ANBA and was in his mid 20's, was traded to BOS for injured IT, Crowder, and the 13th pick
CJ McCollum was traded for Hart, NAW, and a FRP

Once again, all those dudes are unquestionably better than Garland. And the Value is the same. A mid prospect and essentially 2 FRPs...You should be noticing a pattern here by now my man.

[mcfly1204]

Caruso and Wiggins is definitely enough.

Two backups for your 25 year old, two-time All-Star PG is enough?

This is a horribly (and purposely) inaccurate portrayal of what we'd be getting back in return. Yeah sure, they are in fact two backups, but there's a lot more here you're ignoring.

I'm not saying Caruso and Wiggins do not provide value, but neither are running your offense, and Caruso shares one of Garland's challenges, availability. You boost your perimeter defense at the expense of your offense. I do not see Caruso and Wiggins as the caliber of players you make that kind of move for.

[JujitsuFlip]

How is he trolling? Garland is so sleight. His game falls apart in the PO's because he can't handle the PO whistle and can't finish at the rim when they allow more contact.

Good regular season player. But if he's not hitting 3's he's streaky as hell.

His value is higher than the perpetually injured Jonathan Isaac, the bust of Scoot Henderson, and a mid 1st.

Sorry, that is not a crazy take to push back on that garbage return.

Is Garland expiring? No.
Is he old? No.
Is he an issue on/off the court? No.

Not a single trade shi-woo presented makes a single lick of sense to gauge Garland's potetinal return assets.

Still patiently waiting on your trades from the past to show proper value, also still waiting on a trade proposal from you that shows what you think adequate value is for Garland.

More examples from me to get your heart rate going this afternoon

Deron Williams, 2x All-NBA at that point and mid 20's, traded for Favors and 2 FRP
Chris Paul at 25 traded for Aminu, Gordon, Kamen and a FRP
Jrue at age 22 after making his first AS team, was traded for Nerlens Noel (the 6th pick) and a FRP
Kyrie, who made multiple All-Stars and an ANBA and was in his mid 20's, was traded to BOS for injured IT, Crowder, and the 13th pick
CJ McCollum was traded for Hart, NAW, and a FRP

Once again, all those dudes are unquestionably better than Garland. And the Value is the same. A mid prospect and essentially 2 FRPs...You should be noticing a pattern here by now my man.

You think everyone is better than Garland lol so i do not trust your talent evaluation.

You'll have to keep waiting for my trade proposal bc i do not believe the Cavs need to trade Garland this summer, that's my take.

I'll dig into your new list later, i am sure it is a super flawed list, just like your last one.

[DowJones]

How is he trolling? Garland is so sleight. His game falls apart in the PO's because he can't handle the PO whistle and can't finish at the rim when they allow more contact.

Good regular season player. But if he's not hitting 3's he's streaky as hell.

His value is higher than the perpetually injured Jonathan Isaac, the bust of Scoot Henderson, and a mid 1st.

Sorry, that is not a crazy take to push back on that garbage return.

Is Garland expiring? No.
Is he old? No.
Is he an issue on/off the court? No.

Not a single trade shi-woo presented makes a single lick of sense to gauge Garland's potetinal return assets.

Still patiently waiting on your trades from the past to show proper value, also still waiting on a trade proposal from you that shows what you think adequate value is for Garland.

More examples from me to get your heart rate going this afternoon

Deron Williams, 2x All-NBA at that point and mid 20's, traded for Favors and 2 FRP
Chris Paul at 25 traded for Aminu, Gordon, Kamen and a FRP
Jrue at age 22 after making his first AS team, was traded for Nerlens Noel (the 6th pick) and a FRP
Kyrie, who made multiple All-Stars and an ANBA and was in his mid 20's, was traded to BOS for injured IT, Crowder, and the 13th pick
CJ McCollum was traded for Hart, NAW, and a FRP

Once again, all those dudes are unquestionably better than Garland. And the Value is the same. A mid prospect and essentially 2 FRPs...You should be noticing a pattern here by now my man.

I think the Jrue trade sounds right in terms of value. A pick in the 5-8 range, maybe a future 1st, and a contract that can crack the top-8 of a playoff rotation.

I don’t think that is what Cleveland will be targeting, which is why a third team would need to be involved. What Cleveland won’t do is simply take back a lesser player and accept a pick in the 10 through 19 range as “sweetener“.

[TheNG]

Michael Porter Jr.

[OrlandoDream]

He is worth a young rotation player with upside, a FRP and a salary filler. Nobody is going to empty their roster for Garland. He is a tier 3 all star without the tier 1 and 2, he just doesnt improve the team much. Similar to Maxxey. Skilled player individually.

[mg]

"He helped the Cavs win a playoff game against the Knicks two years ago". Kinda funny how fans of a team can justify how their player has so much value. Not knocking anyone since most fans do that with their guys.

The truth is Garland has had trouble staying healthy for the duration of the regular season let alone the playoffs. His small frame likely has something to do with that. He's also been regularly hunted in the postseason the past few years by bigger perimeter players.

The Pacers and OKC are currently giving a clinic in the Finals of how your starting backcourt should ideally be built. They both have a star player and a depth of perfectly fitting backcourt pieces to compliment their star. Garland no doubt is a fun RS player that has certainly helped win games. Unfortunately when they get to the postseason most contending teams have backcourts that can easily hunt and attack the small Cavs starting guards.

I don't think they should give a talented player away. No way. They should be looking to eventually find a better fit assuming Donovan is there for the foreseeable future. It was the likely outcome after trading so many assets for Don and then extending him.

[jbk1234]

His value is higher than the perpetually injured Jonathan Isaac, the bust of Scoot Henderson, and a mid 1st.

Sorry, that is not a crazy take to push back on that garbage return.

Is Garland expiring? No.
Is he old? No.
Is he an issue on/off the court? No.

Not a single trade shi-woo presented makes a single lick of sense to gauge Garland's potetinal return assets.

Still patiently waiting on your trades from the past to show proper value, also still waiting on a trade proposal from you that shows what you think adequate value is for Garland.

More examples from me to get your heart rate going this afternoon

Deron Williams, 2x All-NBA at that point and mid 20's, traded for Favors and 2 FRP
Chris Paul at 25 traded for Aminu, Gordon, Kamen and a FRP
Jrue at age 22 after making his first AS team, was traded for Nerlens Noel (the 6th pick) and a FRP
Kyrie, who made multiple All-Stars and an ANBA and was in his mid 20's, was traded to BOS for injured IT, Crowder, and the 13th pick
CJ McCollum was traded for Hart, NAW, and a FRP

Once again, all those dudes are unquestionably better than Garland. And the Value is the same. A mid prospect and essentially 2 FRPs...You should be noticing a pattern here by now my man.

You think everyone is better than Garland lol so i do not trust your talent evaluation.

You'll have to keep waiting for my trade proposal bc i do not believe the Cavs need to trade Garland this summer, that's my take.

I'll dig into your new list later, i am sure it is a super flawed list, just like your last one.

Don't bother arguing with that guy. If he's not trolling, his basketball judgment shouldn't be trusted. The Cavs aren't going to agree with his evaluation which means Garland won't get moved for that. It's really that simple.

[toooskies]

But none of those things were known when those trades were made, so what point are you trying to make?

Can you show me any recent trades, especially for guards, that show the value you are expecting? I feel like i've done my part in showing the precedent and coming up with trade offers.

And please, do not hit me with the Donovan Mitchell/Luka level trades/value.

Butler, KP, Allen, Pascal, and BI are all players traded recently that are also arguably better than Garland, and went for what i'm propossing, or much much less.

I think you're just trolling at this point

Buddy you're the troll. You're using expiring guys and/or guys in their mid 30s as examples for what you think a 25 year old 2x All-Star with 3 years left on his deal should go for...

You're comparing apples to hammers.

How is he trolling? Garland is so sleight. His game falls apart in the PO's because he can't handle the PO whistle and can't finish at the rim when they allow more contact.

Good regular season player. But if he's not hitting 3's he's streaky as hell.

The Boston Celtics are also streaky as hell and has nothing to do with being "sleight". Sometimes you win titles with 3-point shooting. Sometimes you lose three of the first four in a series. Garland's shot was thrown off due to an injury.

[Wolveswin]

Point guard shuffle - assuming story is true Cavs won’t trade to Eastern conference contender (Magic) enter Hawks…

To Hawks: Garland/Black/Magic Picks
=Garland gets own team and move on from Trae.

To Magic: Trae
=Garland not an option - enter Trae.

To Cavs: Dyson Daniels/KCP
=Mitchell gets a big defensive guard for next to him.

Figure out filler, picks exchanged and every team has better roster.

[Invictus88]

Has anyone ever seen one of these threads where a question like this is asked, an offer is made by another poster and the response to that is: "Yeah. That seems fair." ?

[JujitsuFlip]

Deron Williams, 2x All-NBA at that point and mid 20's, traded for Favors and 2 FRP
Chris Paul at 25 traded for Aminu, Gordon, Kamen and a FRP
Jrue at age 22 after making his first AS team, was traded for Nerlens Noel (the 6th pick) and a FRP
Kyrie, who made multiple All-Stars and an ANBA and was in his mid 20's, was traded to BOS for injured IT, Crowder, and the 13th pick
CJ McCollum was traded for Hart, NAW, and a FRP

Okay finally have time to sift through these.

Deron Williams was a good example, you messed up the return assets though. He returned a 28 year old All Star PG in Devon Harris who had played in the Finals + Favors, two future first rounders, and $3 million.

If Garland can return that, I'm all for it. That is better than any offer you or anyone else has proposed yet in this thread.

CP3 not a bad example, the NBA nixed the original trade though, so that was probably not the best offer on the table. But getting back an All-Star big man in his physical prime, a future 6th man, a young wing, and a 1st rounder is not the worst thing in the world.

Jrue being 22 and only a 1x All-Star i think played a part. Plue Hinkie made it very clear he was trying to tank.

Kyrie threatened to have season ending surgery on his knee if the Cavs did not trade him, they had no choice. Guy ended up needing to have that surgery anyways, 6 months after being traded. How are you messing these trade packages up? lol they're literally on the internet... IT, Crowder, Zizic, pick #8, and a future 2nd.

McCollum was 30 years old, a zero time All-Star, and had a season left on his deal... Not even worth mentioning him on the list.

[HMFFL]

Point guard shuffle - assuming story is true Cavs won’t trade to Eastern conference contender (Magic) enter Hawks…

To Hawks: Garland/Black/Magic Picks
=Garland gets own team and move on from Trae.

To Magic: Trae
=Garland not an option - enter Trae.

To Cavs: Dyson Daniels/KCP
=Mitchell gets a big defensive guard for next to him.

Figure out filler, picks exchanged and every team has better roster.

No thanks.
Garland's not a #1 or #2.
You want the Hawks entire backcourt to change. Once Trae Young is eventually moved, which I'm only assuming happens, because he will command $60m, I will be content with Dyson Daniels being the point.

[jbk1234]

Point guard shuffle - assuming story is true Cavs won’t trade to Eastern conference contender (Magic) enter Hawks…

To Hawks: Garland/Black/Magic Picks
=Garland gets own team and move on from Trae.

To Magic: Trae
=Garland not an option - enter Trae.

To Cavs: Dyson Daniels/KCP
=Mitchell gets a big defensive guard for next to him.

Figure out filler, picks exchanged and every team has better roster.

The problem is we've seen Mitchell try to do all the scoring himself. It doesn't work.