Where Jonathan Kuminga ends ?

[DonaldSanders]

No doubt the Warriors botched this and had many opportunities over the years to include JK in trades. I wanted to go for OG, Siakam, and a bunch of others. Somehow JK was always "not on the table" which was absurd.

However Kuminga has also bungled things. Dude does not rebound, doesn't seem to try much at it. His off-ball defense is terrible, and although his on-ball defense can be excellent, it's very inconsistent in effort level. He never seemed to want to try to do the role Steve wanted for him, always just wanting to be a Kobe-like iso scorer.

Now, I do think that he will do better somewhere else because he is not a good fit in the GS motion-based offense. But I don't see him as some star, because he has no interest in doing all the little things, dirty work, etc. A lot of top stars did those things as young players, then filled out their offensive game (e.g. Kawai). Kuminga is mainly just interested in putting up a lot of points, to me he will end up being a good stats bad team guy. I hope I'm wrong though.

[Dan Z]

Sources: Jonathan Kuminga declining Warriors' offer over terms

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45859355/sources-jonathan-kuminga-declining-warriors-offer-terms

[ConSarnit]

No doubt the Warriors botched this and had many opportunities over the years to include JK in trades. I wanted to go for OG, Siakam, and a bunch of others. Somehow JK was always "not on the table" which was absurd.

However Kuminga has also bungled things. Dude does not rebound, doesn't seem to try much at it. His off-ball defense is terrible, and although his on-ball defense can be excellent, it's very inconsistent in effort level. He never seemed to want to try to do the role Steve wanted for him, always just wanting to be a Kobe-like iso scorer.

Now, I do think that he will do better somewhere else because he is not a good fit in the GS motion-based offense. But I don't see him as some star, because he has no interest in doing all the little things, dirty work, etc. A lot of top stars did those things as young players, then filled out their offensive game (e.g. Kawai). Kuminga is mainly just interested in putting up a lot of points, to me he will end up being a good stats bad team guy. I hope I'm wrong though.

Can’t really shoot. Doesn’t play make for others. Not a good defender. If he goes somewhere else he’ll put up more counting stats but I doubt he’s actually any better as far as impact goes.

[Mamba Mentality]

Apparently the Suns offered Royce O'Neale, Nick Richards, and 4 second round picks. That's two rotation players for a team that is still trying to contend, take that and run.

[Crives]

Apparently the Suns offered Royce O'Neale, Nick Richards, and 4 second round picks. That's two rotation players for a team that is still trying to contend, take that and run.

Suns don’t have 4 seconds.. only 1 I think. Maybe someone willing to trade 2nds for nick

[xdrta+]

Apparently the Suns offered Royce O'Neale, Nick Richards, and 4 second round picks. That's two rotation players for a team that is still trying to contend, take that and run.

Are the Suns going to start Kuminga at $30,250,000? Anything less hard-caps the Warriors at the 1st Apron, which they cannot afford to do.

[Capn'O]

This is all selt created from the Warriors side.

Players rejecting extensions is normal. What isn't normal is destroying that players value there after. They intentionally DNP'd him hoping to lower his value and they succeeded. Problem is they are trying to trade him. So asking for a 1st, a prospect and no bad contracts is delusion of the highest order.

This is the folly of the two timelines. The Warriors all seem to legitimately believe in Kuminga but also recognize that he doesn't help them win now. Specifically, the management side probably leans towards his development where Kerr doesn't want to play him. As you said, they should have moved on already.

Ehh..the pick used to draft kuminga came from the wiggins trade, where myers traded deangelo for wiggins and an unprotected first rounder.

Wiseman was a waste yea, but the #7 pick used to draft kuminga was like a free gift. Sure, they could have drafted franz wagner there but I dont really blame kuminga not working out on the two timeline approach. Its not like they tanked for him.

I don't blame them for drafting him but when they couldn't use him they should have moved on fast both for value and Kuminga's sake. Now it looks like they're holding him hostage. If they weren't trying to compete they'd just let him work through his mistakes and start him.

[Blame Rasho]

Apparently the Suns offered Royce O'Neale, Nick Richards, and 4 second round picks. That's two rotation players for a team that is still trying to contend, take that and run.

So 2 bad rotation players who wouldn’t be playing on a playoff team… and 2nds…

[Blame Rasho]

The onus is on Kuminga to have developed better. No where else would he have as much spacing as he has with the Warriors. He doesn’t rebound, defend, or shoot… he is the type of player who doesn’t contribute to winning basketball.

Right now the Spurs have a glaring hole at small forward and I don’t think he would start and the spurs umm suck.

[ShootersShoot]

This is the folly of the two timelines. The Warriors all seem to legitimately believe in Kuminga but also recognize that he doesn't help them win now. Specifically, the management side probably leans towards his development where Kerr doesn't want to play him. As you said, they should have moved on already.

Ehh..the pick used to draft kuminga came from the wiggins trade, where myers traded deangelo for wiggins and an unprotected first rounder.

Wiseman was a waste yea, but the #7 pick used to draft kuminga was like a free gift. Sure, they could have drafted franz wagner there but I dont really blame kuminga not working out on the two timeline approach. Its not like they tanked for him.

I don't blame them for drafting him but when they couldn't use him they should have moved on fast both for value and Kuminga's sake. Now it looks like they're holding him hostage. If they weren't trying to compete they'd just let him work through his mistakes and start him.

Yea and what you said did make sense in regards to the risk of a two timeline thing..young players usually do not get as much PT to develop nor are they usually given a big role. So when it cones down to the next contract, the player may feel he is worth more than what the team is willing to pay or what he has shown and may be unhappy with being on the team altogether.

Kuminga is on a rookie contract, so I am not sure what they couldve gotten back for him or who they would have needed to add in order to get someone or something useful in return. I am sure his value was probably a lot higher two years ago than it is now for sure.

[madskillz8]

The onus is on Kuminga to have developed better. No where else would he have as much spacing as he has with the Warriors. He doesn’t rebound, defend, or shoot… he is the type of player who doesn’t contribute to winning basketball.

Right now the Spurs have a glaring hole at small forward and I don’t think he would start and the spurs umm suck.

Sounds like a very Kings player then. Get it done, Perry !! lol

Joking aside, I think most Kings fans are anxious rn that they will overpay again.

[Raps in 4]

Dude is a bust. Should have taken the $150M extension when it was offered to him.

He'll never make that kind of money now that teams realise he sucks.

[xdrta+]

Dude is a bust. Should have taken the $150M extension when it was offered to him.

He'll never make that kind of money now that teams realise he sucks.

It's been shown that it was never offered. Of course he would have taken it if offered.

[HMFFL]

The Kings need to take the risk without giving up much. Sometimes you need to move the chips in and they need a miracle (SGA type).

[whatisacenter]

Dude is a bust. Should have taken the $150M extension when it was offered to him.

He'll never make that kind of money now that teams realise he sucks.

It's been shown that it was never offered. Of course he would have taken it if offered.

Facts

[CS707]

GS really screwed up by not trading him sooner. They should just rescind the QO at this point and let him become a UFA instead of holding him hostage.

I honestly don’t think the market for him was ever there.

While he was still in the last year of his rookie deal, someone would have taken a flyer on him

In a vacuum maybe, but it’s more difficult when you try to build the trade package that makes sense for everyone around his rookie salary. I’m fine with how the Warriors played it. At the end of the day, we control where he plays next year. In order see the floor enough to secure a decent contract the following year, he has to do what’s asked of him. If that happens, chances are bygones become bygones and he re-signs with the team that can pay him the most money. Or he just re-signs now on the Warriors terms.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kuminga doesn't fit the Warriors. This was obvious years ago and they fumbled the chance to trade for him.

Its hard to see Kuminga as a winning player anyway. He wants to score but doesn't seem to care about rebounding or defense. And has no outside shot.

Warriors need to move on and not have this hanging over their head all season. Kuminga doesn't have trade value anyway.

Take the best offer you can from the Kings or Suns and move forward with what you have.

[marthafokker]

Dubs better get whatever garbage and be happy.

If JK plays his only hand, he will get his revenge and take the QO on 10/1, and no sooner. Play like what Kerr complains about. Then gets benched like Kerr wants. Or worst, waive him... and Dubs get the shaft for not taking back pennies on the dollar.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Kerr is a buffoon that doesn't know how to develop young players. I think we can all agree about that right? With this in mind I don't blame Kuminga for maybe having a bad attitude since he was clearly deserving of more run. I don't think anyone can claim to know whether Kuminga would excel if he was featured and given more usage but there's compelling evidence suggesting he might. You can't teach his tantalizing combination of size, length and athleticism. These things are what gets guys like him, Ace Bailey, Cooper Flagg, Jaylen Brown, Bagley, and the Thompson twins drafted high every draft.

I'd much rather pay Kuminga to find out if he can be special than pay DeRozan but that doesn't mean I'm convinced he's special. But I'm intrigued enough to want him over the current alternative. Acquiring him makes little sense fo the Kings unless we make other moves. Honestly he'd be a much better fit with the Suns but I don't think they can beat our offer.

I'd sign the offer and and hit FA if I was him. They will trade him at the deadline for an even worse return but at least he'll know he'll be somewhat showcased so his value won't diminish. Then he can negotiate with the highest bidder next offseason when multiple teams will finally have cap space. He obviously has to have the guts to bet on himself.

[junot111]

Kerr is a buffoon that doesn't know how to develop young players. I think we can all agree about that right?

Based on what? Draymond, Wiggins, Barnes, Looney, Poole all improved under him. Moody, Podz are young players that have become rotation players early in career. Wiseman was a bust that hasn't panned out elsewhere. If anything, Kerr seems like a good evaluator of winning players. There's a reason Kuminga has no suitors except for two trash teams, his skillset is not that of a winning player.