Why is there silence after another Jokic embarrassing defeat?

[Doctor MJ]

So, looking at the results, can we now say that all superstars officially suck?

[SpurNani]

So, looking at the results, can we now say that all superstars officially suck?

Serbia was a big favorite for a reason most expected them to win it all.

Jokic getting upset by Finland is not the same as Slovenia and Greece losing to Germany and Turkey. You know that.

[Johnny Firpo]

So, looking at the results, can we now say that all superstars officially suck?

Serbia was a big favorite for a reason most expected them to win it all.

Jokic getting upset by Finland is not the same as Slovenia and Greece losing to Germany and Turkey. You know that.

Dude, it's a single game elimination tournament. Not that you had an argument, but even if you had one, that alone would kill it instantly. There is nothing to argue about here, it's one game and you are out. Anyone, on any team can lose a single game, that's just a fact. Never even mind that Jokic had a good or even great game.

[Doctor MJ]

So, looking at the results, can we now say that all superstars officially suck?

Serbia was a big favorite for a reason most expected them to win it all.

Jokic getting upset by Finland is not the same as Slovenia and Greece losing to Germany and Turkey. You know that.

How many points would Giannis have to be outscored by on the floor before it would be worthy of a thread, in your assessment? He only got outscored by 30 in less than 30 minutes for reference, so what do you think? 60? 90?

[SpurNani]

So, looking at the results, can we now say that all superstars officially suck?

Serbia was a big favorite for a reason most expected them to win it all.

Jokic getting upset by Finland is not the same as Slovenia and Greece losing to Germany and Turkey. You know that.

Dude, it's a single game elimination tournament. Not that you had an argument, but even if you had one, that alone would kill it instantly. There is nothing to argue about here, it's one game and you are out. Anyone, on any team can lose a single game, that's just a fact. Never even mind that Jokic had a good or even great game.

I agree. The more disturbing thing to me, which i stated in the OP, was how it happened. Finland went right at the best player in the world and exploited his terrible defense, and him being out of shape. Nearly every big basket came at the expense of Jokic in the 4th QTR of the massive upset but because he put up his usual 30 point near triple double, it gets swept under the rug.

I've noticed a disturbing trend in big games for Jokic is all I was getting at. Olympics, NBA playoffs, and now EuroBasket.

[og15]

People still have trouble grasping the reality of single elimination tournaments, it's also why people suggest that USA continuing to win but not just blowing everyone out or winning every game handily is a lack of dominance. Well, no, if you're consistently winning single elimination tournaments, you are dominant, not winning them handily simply means you're not overly powered.

[guynumber45]

OP needs to go find a hobby. Having an entire account dedicated to hating on one player just screams no life. I expect to see this garbage on Twitter, not GB.

[Bergmaniac]

Giannis today had a much worse game than Jokic against Finland, he was bad on both ends, but I'd bet the OP didn't even watch and keeps repeating his anti-Jokic rant. Get a hobby, man.

[Handlez]

Giannis.

Good try, Jokic haters.

[Nate505]

The current young American players wouldn't have won gold in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2021, or 2024.

And in all honesty, they might not have even won in 1992 or 1996.

Well yeah. They would have been playing against superior American talent at the time.

In place of the USA teams that were at those tournaments, not in addition to them.

The next group of American players wouldn't have won gold at any of those tournaments, with the USA teams from those tournaments all not being there.

The USA is quite fortunate that it plays the next Olympics at home, and thus will have ref help (at least more than they normally get).

Hahahahaha, you're serious. Hilarious. Because the 2000 French and Lithuania squads were such world beaters.

[Nate505]

People still have trouble grasping the reality of single elimination tournaments, it's also why people suggest that USA continuing to win but not just blowing everyone out or winning every game handily is a lack of dominance. Well, no, if you're consistently winning single elimination tournaments, you are dominant, not winning them handily simply means you're not overly powered.

The US is literally 35-1 in single game elimination Olympic games (ie after the group stage) since the Dream Team. It's like, yeah, they might get upset again in LA or in Brisbane in 2032, but to suggest it's not a staggering level of dominance is just silly.

[og15]

People still have trouble grasping the reality of single elimination tournaments, it's also why people suggest that USA continuing to win but not just blowing everyone out or winning every game handily is a lack of dominance. Well, no, if you're consistently winning single elimination tournaments, you are dominant, not winning them handily simply means you're not overly powered.

The US is literally 35-1 in single game elimination Olympic games (ie after the group stage) since the Dream Team. It's like, yeah, they might get upset again in LA or in Brisbane in 2032, but to suggest it's not a staggering level of dominance is just silly.

Yea, it's pretty wild that people don't take into account the whole reality of single elimination, yes, a better team can lose sometimes, but none of these teams are dominant, so yes, the favorite can and will lose at times. USA constantly winning despite this is actually insanely impressive.

[Infinite Llamas]

Giannis today had a much worse game than Jokic against Finland, he was bad on both ends, but I'd bet the OP didn't even watch and keeps repeating his anti-Jokic rant. Get a hobby, man.

OP didn’t even watch the Serbia game but the bad takes kept rolling in nonetheless

[jk31]

Does serbia have a 2nd nba player on their roster?

They have several

They literally were so stacked they cut lottery pick Nikola Topic from the team.

Bogdan Bogdanovic is their 2nd best player (at the FIBA level) and their only real shot creator besides Jokic, and he was injured at group stage and was out after that.
Beside that they have Tristan Vukcevic and Nikola Jovic as current NBA players and some former NBA players like Nikola Milutinov, Filip Petrusev and Vasilije Micic.

[Mirotic12]

Giannis today had a much worse game than Jokic against Finland, he was bad on both ends, but I'd bet the OP didn't even watch and keeps repeating his anti-Jokic rant. Get a hobby, man.

Giannis has been terrible in like 80 percent of the elimination games he has played with Greece. And he's been terrible in all of them, when playing against a good team.

Giannis is starting to enter into biggest choker in the history of FIBA territory, if he doesn't turn his national team career around in the next 2 to 3 years.

Using Giannis' FIBA failures, as a way to defend other player's failures in FIBA tournaments, doesn't make sense, when Giannis pretty much has the worst career performance overall, in big FIBA games, of any well known player, NBA or otherwise.

[Bergmaniac]

Giannis today had a much worse game than Jokic against Finland, he was bad on both ends, but I'd bet the OP didn't even watch and keeps repeating his anti-Jokic rant. Get a hobby, man.

Giannis has been terrible in like 80 percent of the elimination games he has played with Greece. And he's been terrible in all of them, when playing against a good team.

Giannis is starting to enter into biggest choker in the history of FIBA territory, if he doesn't turn his national team career around in the next 2 to 3 years.

Using Giannis' FIBA failures, as a way to defend other player's failures in FIBA tournaments doesn't make sense, when Giannis pretty much has the worst career performance overall, in big FIBA games of any well known player, NBA or otherwise.

That wasn't a Jokic defence, I was criticising OP's obsession with Jokic, I have never seen them post on any other topic.

[Showdown]

This is third time that Serbia with Jokić was first favorite but was eliminated much earlier,same happened on last Eurobasket where they also got eliminated in top 16 bu Italy where he was destroyed by Melli and in FIBA world cup in 2019 where he was destroyed by Mark Gasol and then next game by 40 year old Scola.
Not only that but in competitions where Jokić was missing and Bogdanović was leader of the team they reached to the finals and won silver medal both times. Also worth noting that Serbia never won golden medal and that last time any country that they were part won gold was 2002 when Divac,Stojaković and Bodiroga were leaders.
Jokić is huge underachiever in his national team and his legacy is worse not only guys Bogdanović,DivacStojaković,Bogiroga but even some lesser players like Djordjević,Danilović,Rebrača,Paspalj,Tomašević,Teodosić,Bjelica. There ae also other players from Yugoslavian era but i only mentioned these modern players.

[Mirotic12]

It's true that in reality, Serbia itself has never won a gold medal. Serbia its own self counts the medals that were won by FR Yugoslavia, but FIBA doesn't.

So, as the country of Serbia, they have no gold medals, and in FIBA history, they have no gold medals.

So, I'm not sure if that makes all of the Jokic silvers look better or look worse. I guess it depends on how you look at it.

It's even worse, if you think of it as Serbia has never won a gold medal in its national history, at any FIBA event, so Jokic should have been super extra motivated in these FIBA tournaments, especially in those finals he lost.

On there other hand, it doesn't look quite as bad, if you frame it as Serbia itself, as a single country, has never been able to win a tournament, so maybe they just can't get it done as a sole single country.

At least in that way, it looks better than Giannis not being able to ever make a final with Greece. Because Greece was usually in finals and semifinals for like two decades (Galis / Giannakis era and Spanoulis era), then Giannis joins the team and they immediately can't do it anymore.

As for the arguments from some NBA fans that Jokic and Giannis don't have enough help, that's a ridiculous amount of undeserved excuse making.

Jokic has had the best or second best team in numerous tournaments. Similar to the same situation that Pau Gasol, Tony Parker, and Manu had in their national teams, but without any gold won.

However, to be fair, Serbia has never had any team as good as those Argentina, France, and Spain teams were. Jokic has never had that same level of help like Pau, Parker, and Manu had. Still, it's obvious that Jokic is clearly underachieving with Serbia.

With Giannis, the excuses are so old, tired, played out, and incorrect. Greece has had team, after team, after team, that could make the quarterfinals without him.

In this tournament, even without Giannis, they would be a top 5-6 team on paper. Even without Giannis, they clearly have a better roster than Finland has, and Finland is in the bronze game, just like Greece.

So, for Giannis to not be able to even make a final, not even win a tournament, but just not even be able to make a final, with a roster that would be top 5-6 at the tournament even without him, is basically every bit as equally horrible and ridiculous as Jokic not getting past the top 16 without Bogdanovic.

Even without Bogdanovic, Serbia has a better roster than Slovenia or Finland. Even without Giannis, Greece does too.

[Mirotic12]

So, we absolutely should not be making any totally illigetamite excuses for them, just because they are big name NBA players.

If EuroLeague stars, that were leading past teams, like Sasha Djordjevic or Vassilis Spanoulis, were failing to win medals with the exact same rosters, they would be getting torn to shreds by the media, social media, and NBA fans, and they would be labeled as colossal level failures as players.

Jokic and Giannis shouldn't be getting all of these lame excuses and passes for constantly failing to get the job done with their national teams.

It just makes no logical sense whatsoever, that NBA MVPs and Finals MVPs are given so many excuses and passes for it, while other players, like Micic or Milutinov, or Sloukas or Mitoglou, get so much blame, when no one considers them the best players on the team.

It's honestly a pretty serious level of mental gymnastics being employed, to place the blame on Kostas Sloukas or Vasa Micic, or other guys like that, and not the leaders of the teams.

Maybe Jokic's and Giannis' FIBA careers will end up like Tony Parker's and Goran Dragic's. They choked and choked and choked in FIBA for so many years, and finally won a gold. Although, Dragic only did so because Slovenia naturalized Anthony Randolph. So his gold is an asterisk gold.

The point being though, that Jokic and Giannis could still maybe finally win a gold, even after so many inexcusable failures. Because their national team careers so far look similar to how Tony Parker's was for a long time (choking), and he eventually managed to get a gold.

[Calvin Klein]

11 pages out of an obvious troll thread.