Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[Knicksfan20]

Lol Knicks fans would rather have Porzingis and the awful contract of Noah instead of a 25 year old all-star finals experienced player who wants to play there and very well could re-sign long-term.

So many teams would rather hold out for hope on an unknown or potential than would take a young proven all-star franchise talent. How often does that actually pan out for the team sitting back for potential.

were rebuilding why do we need irving? we have no team in place for him to compete here..we should stick to trying to move carmelo if anything. There is zero point in trading Porzingis that would be such a knick move.

He is 25 years old lol, you act like he is approaching 30. Kyrie has yet to peak either. For all you know Porzingis may never reach much higher than he has so far. He only has 3 years on his contract either, he could easily decide to leave if NYK still stink in a few years... which so far the way things are going for NY seems fairly possible.

Porzingis will never be a Cavalier. Dream on.

[Takingbaconback]

Don't see why Knicks would trade for Kyrie. Seems like they are frontrunners to sign him in FA after his deal is up. Irving teams up with Porzingis and they could definitely recruit another star to NYC

[phraoh]

What do fans in general and specifically of Denver, Cleveland, and Boston think of this proposed trade:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybcxfznw

Not sure any of the teams would do it, but gives Denver and Boston a better chance of winning now, and Cavs probably a better chance of winning in the future, as they seem to be tired of adjusting their team personnel solely for Lebron, who never has, and never will commit to staying there.

[phraoh]

I think the chances are much better for Knicks to retain Kyrie if they trade for him now, than hope and I mean hope, he wants to sign with them as a free agent in two years. If Kyrie is happy where he ultimately gets traded this year (and he is definitely getting traded), he isn't going to up and change teams in 2 years.

[phraoh]

I remember Knick fans getting all excited about getting Noah and Rose before last season...oh they are going to be a 4 or 5 seed in the playoffs, so I don't think we can go by their thoughts. They are really underestimating both how good Kyrie is and how bad Noah's contract is. KP is "probably" going to be a very good player, "maybe" an all star, but he is just a good player now with "potential". Kyrie is already a great player, an all star, at 25, still not reaching his prime. And yes, I would rather keep Kyrie, but not after his trade request and the obvious issues going on with him and his teammates last season.

[Wolfgang630]

I remember Knick fans getting all excited about getting Noah and Rose before last season...oh they are going to be a 4 or 5 seed in the playoffs, so I don't think we can go by their thoughts. They are really underestimating both how good Kyrie is and how bad Noah's contract is. KP is "probably" going to be a very good player, "maybe" an all star, but he is just a good player now with "potential". Kyrie is already a great player, an all star, at 25, still not reaching his prime. And yes, I would rather keep Kyrie, but not after his trade request and the obvious issues going on with him and his teammates last season.

I'm glad you don't run a team. You would do what the old Knicks would do. They would chase after the ISO offensive player who can't do anything else, who's not a first option player and can't carry a team to a championship.

We're not building around an ISO shooting pg who isn't a first option and can't defend. He can go to Boston. Boston makes the most sense for him.

[Awoooga]

I think the chances are much better for Knicks to retain Kyrie if they trade for him now, than hope and I mean hope, he wants to sign with them as a free agent in two years. If Kyrie is happy where he ultimately gets traded this year (and he is definitely getting traded), he isn't going to up and change teams in 2 years.

The Knicks are approaching this the right way. Carmelo + Frank centered Irving trade? Sure. Porzingis is off limits completely.

It's foolish to look at numbers and compare Porzingis to Brand, Antoine Walker etc. The guy is 7"3. You don't see players with this skillset. He may or may not reach his potential and he may eventually choose to leave on his own but there is no way he can be traded at this point in his career.

Look at how GS was built - through the draft with major pieces coming through free agency. The Knicks' timeline won't be for another few years anyway. Stockpile the young talent and try to hit free agency hard. That's how you build a legit contender.

[Froob]

What do fans in general and specifically of Denver, Cleveland, and Boston think of this proposed trade:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybcxfznw

Not sure any of the teams would do it, but gives Denver and Boston a better chance of winning now, and Cavs probably a better chance of winning in the future, as they seem to be tired of adjusting their team personnel solely for Lebron, who never has, and never will commit to staying there.

Pass, still a long ways from a title with that team. Rather hang onto Tatum and hope he becomes a superstar.

[Wolfgang630]

Giannis should be traded for Irving. Embiid should be traded for Irving. Booker should be traded for Irving. Jokic should be traded for Irving. Young Steph Curry should be traded for Irving. Lonzo should be traded for Irving. Brandon Ingram should be traded for Irving. KAT should be traded for Irving.

[mplsfonz23]

Don't see why Knicks would trade for Kyrie. Seems like they are frontrunners to sign him in FA after his deal is up. Irving teams up with Porzingis and they could definitely recruit another star to NYC

He won't last until FA in Cleveland. And how would they be "frontrunners" after 2 years? Seems like he will write his own ticket then, and I don't see how the Knicks will be any better for a 28 year old looking for his first title. Hell seems like the TWolves would be a better fit in 2 years. Butler, Towns, Wiggins, all signed to long term deals. I still don't see the fit, but better than NYC ass it stands now.

[mplsfonz23]

Giannis should be traded for Irving. Embiid should be traded for Irving. Booker should be traded for Irving. Jokic should be traded for Irving. Young Steph Curry should be traded for Irving. Lonzo should be traded for Irving. Brandon Ingram should be traded for Irving. KAT should be traded for Irving.

You watch your mouth buddy!

[OsuCavsfan103]

were rebuilding why do we need irving? we have no team in place for him to compete here..we should stick to trying to move carmelo if anything. There is zero point in trading Porzingis that would be such a knick move.

He is 25 years old lol, you act like he is approaching 30. Kyrie has yet to peak either. For all you know Porzingis may never reach much higher than he has so far. He only has 3 years on his contract either, he could easily decide to leave if NYK still stink in a few years... which so far the way things are going for NY seems fairly possible.

Porzingis will never be a Cavalier. Dream on.

Oh I am sure you are probably right, but I don;t see the rest of his time panning out in NYK as great as you guys think. There isn't really any reason to have confidence in the NYK's when let's be honest, they have shown time and time again they aren't good. Your owner is holding you back. So IF you lose KP in a few years because he wants to win somewhere, then all the Knicks fans can remember this

[BklyntoTNeck]

I remember Knick fans getting all excited about getting Noah and Rose before last season...oh they are going to be a 4 or 5 seed in the playoffs, so I don't think we can go by their thoughts. They are really underestimating both how good Kyrie is and how bad Noah's contract is. KP is "probably" going to be a very good player, "maybe" an all star, but he is just a good player now with "potential". Kyrie is already a great player, an all star, at 25, still not reaching his prime. And yes, I would rather keep Kyrie, but not after his trade request and the obvious issues going on with him and his teammates last season.

Troll? So I don't think anyone can go by your thoughts. Anyone for trading KP for Kyrie when the Knicks can sign him in two years should be ignored.

[eitanr]

Does a simple Irving/Noah/Melo FOR Irving/Love work?

Both teams get what they want and Knicks get a 2 for 1...moving Melo and landing Kyrie while fielding a team that will be competitive for a decent run.

[knuckles862]

I remember Knick fans getting all excited about getting Noah and Rose before last season...oh they are going to be a 4 or 5 seed in the playoffs, so I don't think we can go by their thoughts. They are really underestimating both how good Kyrie is and how bad Noah's contract is. KP is "probably" going to be a very good player, "maybe" an all star, but he is just a good player now with "potential". Kyrie is already a great player, an all star, at 25, still not reaching his prime. And yes, I would rather keep Kyrie, but not after his trade request and the obvious issues going on with him and his teammates last season.

Nobody on the knick board liked the Noah contract when we first found out. And idk why you are so sure that kp can't math kyries production in the near future. I rather take a gamble on kp being a superstar than trade him for kyrie who you cannot win a championship with if he is your best player.

[mg]

Looks like I'm in the minority but trading for Kyrie assures the Knicks they are likely players in 2019 when a bunch of youngish stars like Klay, AD, and Butler who are Kyrie's USA teammates become free agents (assuming of course the deadwood contracts like Noah are off the books). Of course acquiring KI would mean an incomplete grade until we see who they eventually add to the team. In the meantime they are pretty much assured a good draft pick next summer. That was Pat Riley's exact blueprint before he added Bron/Bosh to Wade in 2010. Despite all of KP's skills I don't know if he has that kind of pull to bring in big time FA's. Keeping KP would be more of a slow build which is fine too but would be a little more difficult and require much luck in the draft since he's due for a max extension next summer and we really don't know if they have any legit young cornerstone pieces to build around him yet.

[Icandoallthings]

I remember Knick fans getting all excited about getting Noah and Rose before last season...oh they are going to be a 4 or 5 seed in the playoffs, so I don't think we can go by their thoughts. They are really underestimating both how good Kyrie is and how bad Noah's contract is. KP is "probably" going to be a very good player, "maybe" an all star, but he is just a good player now with "potential". Kyrie is already a great player, an all star, at 25, still not reaching his prime. And yes, I would rather keep Kyrie, but not after his trade request and the obvious issues going on with him and his teammates last season.

Troll? So I don't think anyone can go by your thoughts. Anyone for trading KP for Kyrie when the Knicks can sign him in two years should be ignored.

Hate to break it to you but realistically the Knicks wont be able to sign him in two years because of our salary cap. (That being said yeah that guy was being rather condescending with that "knicks fans getting excited' comment.) 2020 is when we may have room to get the max type contract.

[Icandoallthings]

Looks like I'm in the minority but trading for Kyrie assures the Knicks they are likely players in 2019 when a bunch of youngish stars like Klay, AD, and Butler who are Kyrie's USA teammates become free agents (assuming of course the deadwood contracts like Noah are off the books). Of course acquiring KI would mean an incomplete grade until we see who they eventually add to the team. In the meantime they are pretty much assured a good draft pick next summer. That was Pat Riley's exact blueprint before he added Bron/Bosh to Wade in 2010. Despite all of KP's skills I don't know if he has that kind of pull to bring in big time FA's. Keeping KP would be more of a slow build which is fine too but would be a little more difficult and require much luck in the draft since he's due for a max extension next summer and we really don't know if they have any legit young cornerstone pieces to build around him yet.

A few issues with what you are saying.
Klay does not fit with THJr and Kyrie/Ntillinka.
AD is not a free agent till 20/21
Butler will be 30 and will have 3 more years of Thibs on his legs.

[Jack Dempsey]

CLE has interest in Porzingis in the same way that I have interest in Jessica Alba. Its just not realistic.

Oh don't worry, I'm sure some posters will find a way to trade your right hand and maybe a draft pick for Jessica Alba.

Does a simple Irving/Noah/Melo FOR Irving/Love work?

Both teams get what they want and Knicks get a 2 for 1...moving Melo and landing Kyrie while fielding a team that will be competitive for a decent run.

No, you can't trade a player for... well, himself.

But seriously, Cavs should try to find players that best fit LeBron instead of trying to get some big names they won't get anyway. IMO Kyrie is not a very good fit next to LeBron and it shouldn't be all too hard finding better options.
As for Kyrie, he makes no sense on an rebuilding team like Phoenix or New York. He should go to a team that is close enough to at least making the playoffs like Denver or Milwaukee.

[John Murdoch]

hahaahha if we get Noah in order to get KP. He doesn't like Cleveland very much.

Yeah i was trying to find a 3rd team to take him yesterday but yeah its tough unless Hernangomez/1st is added its a tough one to swallow. We are in the same boat with Deng