2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

[King Ken]

I don't understand how some people still say Baigley & Ayton have the same or even higher ceiling than Doncic, until they prove that it won't be true... But so far Luka is far ahead of anyone in his draft class... I know this is only their first year & anything can happen in future.

Easy, they can impact winning a lot more when they reach their ceilings. That's why.

Bagley doesn't have one athletic limitation. Guys like that are usually Giannis, Westbrook or MJ. Bagley doesn't have their length both they didn't have his motor.

Ayton is a freak of nature and the game comes so easy to him. He has two way potential and he has the body of an Egyptian god. It's very easy to see those guys being in a lot of Finals one day being the best players in the NBA.

Thing is, those two are raw. They haven't even chipped their potential. They just playing off gas. Not using their mind or experience which both have a high ceiling in. They are physically RARE in a league based on anomalies.

Yes, both Ayton and Bagley have tons of potential. There is a reason why they went #1 and #2 in the draft, respectively.

But that doesn't mean that Luka's potential is lower than theirs. It definitely doesn't mean that Luka cannot impact winning a lot more than those two can. He definitely can. He may never become a two-way player like Ayton and Bagley can but you don't have to be a great two-way player to impact winning.

Again, neither Curry nor Harden are two-way players but they've both been MVPs.

Glad you get that part, there is a lot of fans who think it's stupid that Bagley or Ayton when 1st or 2nd over him. You at least get that much.

It doesn't. Which is why I say, I think he has a ceiling that is lower. Not that it is a fact. Just from everything I have seen as someone who watches all of the Mavs games. I don't see it. His defense is bad outside of off ball defense. It's not bad from an effort point, it's bad just because he is unathletic. In the defensive post, he is food as well. I don't see that ever changing. It's not an effort thing, it's a physical thing.

Curry and Harden developed themselves into being anomalies. Both had a superior athletic package compared to Luka. Curry always had great agility and change of direction and elite stamina. Harden has balleria feet, an elite first step, and developed as passer. Those two had to develop the elite skills but they had the rest before they entered the NBA. Luka doesn't have that. He like Pistol Pete ready have the elite skill. In fact, his skill level is already higher than Steph or James as vets. But he don't have nowhere near their toolkit and never will. He wasn't born with it. You can't teach that.

[Oscar9992]

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[Pachinko_]

Luka will improve right off the bat next year just because of the experience he gained this year and because his team will give him the keys straight from game 1 instead of waiting till December.

[Mr B]

Where is Luka going to get much better at? You guys love saying this but I don't see it.

I talked about it in another one of my replies in this thread. Allow me to quote myself:

Oh, absolutely. People see the huge numbers and assume that he can't improve more but that's just wrong. A deeper look into his numbers will reveal that there are a lot of areas he can improve on. Let's look at his shooting splits -> https://stats.nba.com/player/1629029/shooting/

He is currently shooting 38.3% from the mid-range. He is shooting 35.6% on floaters (driving floating jump shots). He is shooting 36.6% on pull-up jumpers. He is shooting 35.4% on step-back jumpers. He also doesn't have a very good post game yet as evidenced by his numbers on turnaround fade-aways and hooks. He is 6'8 and strong so a post-up game is likely to be a big weapon for him in the future.

Those 5 areas of improvement are quite easy to see and we're still only talking about his scoring. We haven't even started talking about the other areas of his game that he needs to work on (getting into better shape, defense, turnovers etc).

Yes, Luka is way more polished than the average rookie. But that doesn't mean that he can't improve. He is still inefficient in numerous areas. He can improve in every each one of them and up his scoring while retaining or even improving on his efficiency (not at the same time, he'll probably up his scoring first and then work on his efficiency). He can get into better shape which would help his game across the board. He will learn the PG spot better and cut down on some of his turnovers. Defense is another big area where better conditioning and knowing the way NBA offenses play will help him more. He will never become a lock-down defender, obviously, but he can become a net positive defender (kind of how like has done by mainly defending post players, using his strength).

Getting in better shape is part of it but he actually already is in really good shape. He just needs his body to mature. He’s still a kid. Once he gets to about 22-25 his body will mature which is when we’ll see that baby fat come off of him. He’ll also get stronger at that point.

[King Ken]

You think Luka is near his peak now? And I'm the stan?

Yes. He will be more consistent but he is not getting that much better from here. I watch every game. He is so far ahead of players on the developed element but not where close on the stuff that you are born with.

He is the anti Giannis. Giannis was the worst rookie I've seen his year outside of Dennis Schroder who barely played anyway. Now Giannis is a top 3-5 player.

Where is Luka going to get much better at? You guys love saying this but I don't see it. I always saw a great player in terms of his floor and when I compare him to Pistol who might have been the most polished Amercian to ever enter the NBA as an American, that's me seeing him in ELITE regard. But I don't see this great potential. I don't see a great fit and he has a **** personality as well like a white Boogie Cousins. You guys are making excuses up for him.

I’m a Mavs fan and I can see where you’re coming from. It’s hard to improve on 35/12/10. That doesn’t mean he’s at his ceiling though. Like you said, he will get more consistent. He will get better at the free throw line, his post game will get better, and yes even his shot will get better. I’m not saying or expecting him to improve to average 65/20/20 but I expect his ceiling will be close to averaging a triple/double. He may even have a couple of seasons where he averages a triple/double.

As for Bagley, I also think he will be a good player if he has the right coaching and work ethic. I know he’s known for his motor so I don’t think work ethic will be problem for him. Bagley is still really young. He has time but if he works at it his can improve his shot and his post game. If he averages 25/10 or even 20/10, those are really good numbers. He actually is a perfect fit next to Fox and should be able to play off of each other really well.

The difference is that Luka appears to be a generational talent and no one sees that in Bagley. Not yet anyways. He could be the next Steph Curry, Dirk, or James Harden where he’s a player that works on his game and blows up in his second or third year. Or he could be a caliber of player as Elton Brand who was a very good player for a lot of years.

He could be another walking triple double because he loves getting rebounds, he is a great passer and he can score like crazy. The stats will always be there with him. Now that Dallas has moved him to a primary ball handler, I see the good and I see the bad as well. After seeing it, I am more entitled to want them to bring in another PG and not just play a SG as the big PG.

I thought all of my top 5 prospects could be franchise players and a couple outside like Trae could be as well. But I don't think Luka, Ayton, or Bamba is generational. That's really just Zion, LeBron, Duncan, Shaq, and AD for me. Bagley is close. But that's about it. I haven't seen any reason to change my mind either. Generational for me means, will lead a team to the NBA Finals as the best player. No question about it and make it to multiple finals. Those players have impact beyond even the superstars and are the top 1-10 NBA players in history.

A franchise player, I can see that. He already is one or close to it. He is not close to superstardom and I personally question if he ever legit gets there. I think he will be a Kevin Love superstar where everyone is barking he's a superstar but he really isn't.

[King-]

Where is Luka going to get much better at? You guys love saying this but I don't see it.

I talked about it in another one of my replies in this thread. Allow me to quote myself:

Oh, absolutely. People see the huge numbers and assume that he can't improve more but that's just wrong. A deeper look into his numbers will reveal that there are a lot of areas he can improve on. Let's look at his shooting splits -> https://stats.nba.com/player/1629029/shooting/

He is currently shooting 38.3% from the mid-range. He is shooting 35.6% on floaters (driving floating jump shots). He is shooting 36.6% on pull-up jumpers. He is shooting 35.4% on step-back jumpers. He also doesn't have a very good post game yet as evidenced by his numbers on turnaround fade-aways and hooks. He is 6'8 and strong so a post-up game is likely to be a big weapon for him in the future.

Those 5 areas of improvement are quite easy to see and we're still only talking about his scoring. We haven't even started talking about the other areas of his game that he needs to work on (getting into better shape, defense, turnovers etc).

Yes, Luka is way more polished than the average rookie. But that doesn't mean that he can't improve. He is still inefficient in numerous areas. He can improve in every each one of them and up his scoring while retaining or even improving on his efficiency (not at the same time, he'll probably up his scoring first and then work on his efficiency). He can get into better shape which would help his game across the board. He will learn the PG spot better and cut down on some of his turnovers. Defense is another big area where better conditioning and knowing the way NBA offenses play will help him more. He will never become a lock-down defender, obviously, but he can become a net positive defender (kind of how like has done by mainly defending post players, using his strength).

Here is the thing, he will improve. Most skilled base players improve in today's NBA. I seen it across the league they improve at older ages as well. My quarrel is, as I've said in this thread. The improvements I see he needs to make is substantial if being an elite player is his goal. I only see marginal improvement left.

He is extremely polished and has RARE elite skill that hardly even the best in the NBA currently have. We have been knowing this, it's not new.

I don't see him improving this his athletic tools. He is slow. While he has elite footwork, he is slow. Luis Scola and Z-Bo had elite footwork, they never got faster or more athletic. He has just barely enough athletic ability to be on the perimeter on offense and I personally think he's a mess defensively anywhere. His off ball defense with his great defensive instincts is saving his ass. He is always food on switches and teams will focus on wearing him down as time goes. I just don't see it in terms of parts of the game you have to be born with. He clearly has skill that's born, not just created and he is polished but I can see him putting up insane numbers but his team is 38-44 for the next 4 seasons.

You can't call him a baby LeBron if he is this damn unathletic, it's not possible. He is going to have the same issue Pistol had as a NBA player. Teams are going to love the talent, skill and ability but find the fit just odd and not conductive to elite winning.

Luka will be a HOF if healthy, but will he be a winner in the NBA? I doubt it unless Dallas just goes all in with great picks and FA signings. He isn't Dirk, he doesn't fit. Dirk just fits.

Fast forward to 5:02

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He's a chubby kid with a lot of baby fat, and look how effortlessly he's able to switch gears in the open court.... that was a pretty explosive dunk and he made it look easy. You're trying to tell us he's not athletic? Look, he isn't Giannis athletically, but he also isn't Kevin Huerter. He's shown some explosive ability in the open court, and he has already put a few dudes on posters. He's not a freak athletically like LeBron, but he's pretty athletic.

To be able to get down the court that fast with the ball in your hands and throw it down like that does not take SKILL, it takes ATHLETIC ability.

[King Ken]

Getting in better shape is part of it but he actually already is in really good shape. He just needs his body to mature. He’s still a kid. Once he gets to about 22-25 his body will mature which is when we’ll see that baby fat come off of him. He’ll also get stronger at that point.

You really think his body can improve like that? Other Eastern Europeans NBA players got this body type and played their whole careers with it. Just like I say for Harden, what if this is who he is? Harden will never be built like Bron

[Nuntius]

Glad you get that part, there is a lot of fans who think it's stupid that Bagley or Ayton when 1st or 2nd over him. You at least get that much.

I don't blame Phoenix one bit for picking Ayton #1. He was considered the almost unanimous #1 pick and he is also a hometown guy since he played HS and College basketball in Arizona. It was the most obvious move ever for them so I 100% get it.

Bagley, on the other hand, is a different case. He wasn't considered a lock for #2 and some people thought that the Kings reached for him. Still, he is a very good player and both the talent and the ceiling are there. I wouldn't pick him at #2 if I was the GM but it doesn't mean that the potential isn't there.

It doesn't. Which is why I say, I think he has a ceiling that is lower. Not that it is a fact. Just from everything I have seen as someone who watches all of the Mavs games. I don't see it. His defense is bad outside of off ball defense. It's not bad from an effort point, it's bad just because he is unathletic. In the defensive post, he is food as well. I don't see that ever changing. It's not an effort thing, it's a physical thing.

Curry and Harden developed themselves into being anomalies. Both had a superior athletic package compared to Luka. Curry always had great agility and change of direction and elite stamina. Harden has balleria feet, an elite first step, and developed as passer. Those two had to develop the elite skills but they had the rest before they entered the NBA. Luka doesn't have that. He like Pistol Pete ready have the elite skill. In fact, his skill level is already higher than Steph or James as vets. But he don't have nowhere near their toolkit and never will. He wasn't born with it. You can't teach that.

I will agree with you that what you say is just an opinion and not facts. Therefore, I will say this. My opinion doesn't match your opinion. I'm not seeing what you're seeing. When I'm watching Luka, I'm not seeing an unathletic player. I'm simply seeing a player that has different athletic strengths than what is the norm, much like Harden and Curry.

[Nuntius]

To be able to get down the court that fast with the ball in your hands and throw it down like that does not take SKILL, it takes ATHLETIC ability.

Agreed with the rest of your post but I wanted to comment on that. It takes both skill and athletic ability to do that. Being able to reach your max speed with the ball in your hands is a skill that not every NBA player has.

[Nuntius]

Where is Luka going to get much better at? You guys love saying this but I don't see it.

I talked about it in another one of my replies in this thread. Allow me to quote myself:

Oh, absolutely. People see the huge numbers and assume that he can't improve more but that's just wrong. A deeper look into his numbers will reveal that there are a lot of areas he can improve on. Let's look at his shooting splits -> https://stats.nba.com/player/1629029/shooting/

He is currently shooting 38.3% from the mid-range. He is shooting 35.6% on floaters (driving floating jump shots). He is shooting 36.6% on pull-up jumpers. He is shooting 35.4% on step-back jumpers. He also doesn't have a very good post game yet as evidenced by his numbers on turnaround fade-aways and hooks. He is 6'8 and strong so a post-up game is likely to be a big weapon for him in the future.

Those 5 areas of improvement are quite easy to see and we're still only talking about his scoring. We haven't even started talking about the other areas of his game that he needs to work on (getting into better shape, defense, turnovers etc).

Yes, Luka is way more polished than the average rookie. But that doesn't mean that he can't improve. He is still inefficient in numerous areas. He can improve in every each one of them and up his scoring while retaining or even improving on his efficiency (not at the same time, he'll probably up his scoring first and then work on his efficiency). He can get into better shape which would help his game across the board. He will learn the PG spot better and cut down on some of his turnovers. Defense is another big area where better conditioning and knowing the way NBA offenses play will help him more. He will never become a lock-down defender, obviously, but he can become a net positive defender (kind of how like has done by mainly defending post players, using his strength).

Getting in better shape is part of it but he actually already is in really good shape. He just needs his body to mature. He’s still a kid. Once he gets to about 22-25 his body will mature which is when we’ll see that baby fat come off of him. He’ll also get stronger at that point.

He is definitely in much better shape than he was when the season started. Dude is clearly working.

[Nuntius]

Getting in better shape is part of it but he actually already is in really good shape. He just needs his body to mature. He’s still a kid. Once he gets to about 22-25 his body will mature which is when we’ll see that baby fat come off of him. He’ll also get stronger at that point.

You really think his body can improve like that? Other Eastern Europeans NBA players got this body type and played their whole careers with it. Just like I say for Harden, what if this is who he is? Harden will never be built like Bron

Harden doesn't need to be like Bron to be great, though. No player needs to be just like Bron to be great. There are different ways to greatness.

[King Ken]

Fast forward to 5:02

https://youtu.be/7NO1mlbavAk

He's a chubby kid with a lot of baby fat, and look how effortlessly he's able to switch gears in the open court.... that was a pretty explosive dunk and he made it look easy. You're trying to tell us he's not athletic? Look, he isn't Giannis athletically, but he also isn't Kevin Huerter. He's shown some explosive ability in the open court, and he has already put a few dudes on posters. He's not a freak athletically like LeBron, but he's pretty athletic.

To be able to get down the court that fast with the ball in your hands and throw it down like that does not take SKILL, it takes ATHLETIC ability.

Kevin is way faster than Luka. It's not even close either. Kevin is one of our fastest players, Luka would be one of our slowest with Dedmon. Plumlee is faster.

He does have some pop in the air, especially when he has momentum. I agree with that part.

He looked slow in the clip you showed. I can literally put him in a race with Noah coast to coast and I think Noah would win. @58 secs

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[Mr B]

Yes. He will be more consistent but he is not getting that much better from here. I watch every game. He is so far ahead of players on the developed element but not where close on the stuff that you are born with.

He is the anti Giannis. Giannis was the worst rookie I've seen his year outside of Dennis Schroder who barely played anyway. Now Giannis is a top 3-5 player.

Where is Luka going to get much better at? You guys love saying this but I don't see it. I always saw a great player in terms of his floor and when I compare him to Pistol who might have been the most polished Amercian to ever enter the NBA as an American, that's me seeing him in ELITE regard. But I don't see this great potential. I don't see a great fit and he has a **** personality as well like a white Boogie Cousins. You guys are making excuses up for him.

Mate, are you ok? Reading your posts makes me think that something is off.... Where did you get that his personality is ****? And what are you talking about with the fit?

You must not watch the games. He consistently is sulking like Boogie on the bench when his team is down. He doesn't come off well with his teammates but it seems like the media and his fans are overlooking this.

This is the foolishness he does in games just this season, let's not forget what he did in Madrid:

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You must not watch many games. He gets along well with all of his teammates. He’s even really close to Dennis, and gets along extremely well with Deandre. Does he hate losing? Of course he does, remember he’s coming off of a league championship in the Euro League, and was League MVP and Final Four MVP. Luka is a winner so all the losing is hard on him. So I’d expect him to look bummed when they’re losing. Over the next couple of seasons though the Mavs will have to cap space to add 2-3 max players and fill out the rest of their roster. Luka should be able to attract other stars to Dallas. They will look much different in 3 years than they look right now.

[Mr B]

Mate, are you ok? Reading your posts makes me think that something is off.... Where did you get that his personality is ****? And what are you talking about with the fit?

You must not watch the games. He consistently is sulking like Boogie on the bench when his team is down. He doesn't come off well with his teammates but it seems like the media and his fans are overlooking this.

This is the foolishness he does in games just this season, let's not forget what he did in Madrid:

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Haha, ok. I guess anything goes when you are trying to convince yourself that your Hawks pulled a good move with the Doncic-Young trade. He ripped his jersey so he must have a **** personality. Thats some logic for you;-)

The fact that someone says he ripped his jersey because he’s being an a.hole tells me they don’t watch all of his games. He’s not only frustrated with his own game but he’s also upset that he doesn’t get nearly as many calls as he should (and as he will get in the future). He’s getting the rookie treatment from the refs this season and he’s frustrated.

[King Ken]

He gets along well with all of his teammates. He’s even really close to Dennis, and gets along extremely well with Deandre. Does he hate losing? Of course he does, remember he’s coming off of a league championship in the Euro League, and was League MVP and Final Four MVP. Luka is a winner so all the losing is hard on him. So I’d expect him to look bummed when they’re losing. Over the next couple of seasons though the Mavs will have to cap space to add 2-3 max players and fill out the rest of their roster. Luka should be able to attract other stars to Dallas. They will look much different in 3 years than they look right now.

These are excuses to me. Honestly, he sulks. He does child like stuff like this. The only reason why you guys are defending him is because you want him to succeed above all else even when he does things completely wrong like his behavior.

There is levels to getting along. They deal with him. That's how they get along. Boogie's teammates all said they get along with him. No one said he was Jimmy Butler in SAC.

Ya'll love this, he was a winner before the NBA excuse. It wouldn't be okay for other players honestly. Melo was a winner at Cuse and with the USA team. But we all seem to mention his behavior. I see a trend in his fans I do not like at all. I can see them blaming the players for all of his career for his shortcomings as well. This will be a tragic case. I see it coming.

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Those jerseys have been torn apart many times ever since Nike became the supplier.

[King Ken]

The fact that someone says he ripped his jersey because he’s being an a.hole tells me they don’t watch all of his games. He’s not only frustrated with his own game but he’s also upset that he doesn’t get nearly as many calls as he should (and as he will get in the future). He’s getting the rookie treatment from the refs this season and he’s frustrated.

He gets more calls than any other rookie by a mile. Have you watched JJJ with refs? Trae? Ayton? SGA? Sexton? Rookies don't get calls like that and never will. Luka actually gets more of them than the others.

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That 3 at the end of the 4th was so crazy, the dude is uber clutch. Too bad Barnes and Wes were god awful again to no surprise.
The unathletic argument is so funny lol. They don't even work on athleticism in Europe. He'll be an elite athlete with amazing body in 3 years time.

[Nuntius]

Fast forward to 5:02

https://youtu.be/7NO1mlbavAk

He's a chubby kid with a lot of baby fat, and look how effortlessly he's able to switch gears in the open court.... that was a pretty explosive dunk and he made it look easy. You're trying to tell us he's not athletic? Look, he isn't Giannis athletically, but he also isn't Kevin Huerter. He's shown some explosive ability in the open court, and he has already put a few dudes on posters. He's not a freak athletically like LeBron, but he's pretty athletic.

To be able to get down the court that fast with the ball in your hands and throw it down like that does not take SKILL, it takes ATHLETIC ability.

Kevin is way faster than Luka. It's not even close either. Kevin is one of our fastest players, Luka would be one of our slowest with Dedmon. Plumlee is faster.

He does have some pop in the air, especially when he has momentum. I agree with that part.

He looked slow in the clip you showed. I can literally put him in a race with Noah coast to coast and I think Noah would win. @58 secs

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Huerter is a pretty fast player, I agree. He is also a very decent leaper. His numbers in the draft combine are proof of both of those points.

But Plumlee and Noah? Please. The only thing you'll achieve with that is to lower your credibility. Look, my Pacers were the ones who drafted Miles Plumlee back in 12-13. I know all about his really good lane agility and three quarter sprint combine numbers. I was defending him when a lot of people were calling him a bust. He has turned out to be exactly the player I thought he was. A very serviceable back-up big that's gonna stick in the league for a good while.

But no, he isn't faster than Luka with the ball in his hands. Noah isn't faster than Luka with the ball in his hands either. You pointed to that clip at the 58 second mark but Noah looks significantly slower than Luka looked in the clip that King- posted. I don't know why you can't see it but this particular point isn't even close.

[Dundalis]

Easy, they can impact winning a lot more when they reach their ceilings. That's why.

Bagley doesn't have one athletic limitation. Guys like that are usually Giannis, Westbrook or MJ. Bagley doesn't have their length both they didn't have his motor.

Ayton is a freak of nature and the game comes so easy to him. He has two way potential and he has the body of an Egyptian god. It's very easy to see those guys being in a lot of Finals one day being the best players in the NBA.

Thing is, those two are raw. They haven't even chipped their potential. They just playing off gas. Not using their mind or experience which both have a high ceiling in. They are physically RARE in a league based on anomalies.

Yes, both Ayton and Bagley have tons of potential. There is a reason why they went #1 and #2 in the draft, respectively.

But that doesn't mean that Luka's potential is lower than theirs. It definitely doesn't mean that Luka cannot impact winning a lot more than those two can. He definitely can. He may never become a two-way player like Ayton and Bagley can but you don't have to be a great two-way player to impact winning.

Again, neither Curry nor Harden are two-way players but they've both been MVPs.

Glad you get that part, there is a lot of fans who think it's stupid that Bagley or Ayton when 1st or 2nd over him. You at least get that much.

It doesn't. Which is why I say, I think he has a ceiling that is lower. Not that it is a fact. Just from everything I have seen as someone who watches all of the Mavs games. I don't see it. His defense is bad outside of off ball defense. It's not bad from an effort point, it's bad just because he is unathletic. In the defensive post, he is food as well. I don't see that ever changing. It's not an effort thing, it's a physical thing.

Curry and Harden developed themselves into being anomalies. Both had a superior athletic package compared to Luka. Curry always had great agility and change of direction and elite stamina. Harden has balleria feet, an elite first step, and developed as passer. Those two had to develop the elite skills but they had the rest before they entered the NBA. Luka doesn't have that. He like Pistol Pete ready have the elite skill. In fact, his skill level is already higher than Steph or James as vets. But he don't have nowhere near their toolkit and never will. He wasn't born with it. You can't teach that.

I'll take what Steph Curry's trainer had to say about Luka over your generic rehashed opinion, and as a Hawks fan too. It's all the same stereotypical rhetoric we've heard about Doncic since he was drafted. The kid has nowhere near the footwork of Steph, he's playing off natural talent and instincts. The idea that his skill level is higher than Steph's as a vet is absurd. Like literally crazy stupid comment. He has plenty of room for development when it comes to body shape and conditioning, and also fundamentals, and a professional trainer who trains one of the best in the world is more qualified to make that judgment than a random on the internet who's a proclaimed couch expert.

The idea that effort has little to do with defense is pretty ignorant too. There's no doubt Doncic is not close to being in prime NBA condition, and it's clear he cuts corners defensively in order to save energy, given what is asked of him offensively, because he's far and away the teams best player. So it is at least partially an effort thing, as someone who's watched every Mavs game. A rotation perimeter defender at his height is also the easiest player to hide on defense. Him being an average NBA defender is easily attainable given what he's shown so far, and his defense has shown clear improvement from the start of the season. If his body was the only factor is his defensive capability that wouldn't be the case.

He gets along well with all of his teammates. He’s even really close to Dennis, and gets along extremely well with Deandre. Does he hate losing? Of course he does, remember he’s coming off of a league championship in the Euro League, and was League MVP and Final Four MVP. Luka is a winner so all the losing is hard on him. So I’d expect him to look bummed when they’re losing. Over the next couple of seasons though the Mavs will have to cap space to add 2-3 max players and fill out the rest of their roster. Luka should be able to attract other stars to Dallas. They will look much different in 3 years than they look right now.

These are excuses to me. Honestly, he sulks. He does child like stuff like this. The only reason why you guys are defending him is because you want him to succeed above all else even when he does things completely wrong like his behavior.

There is levels to getting along. They deal with him. That's how they get along. Boogie's teammates all said they get along with him. No one said he was Jimmy Butler in SAC.

Ya'll love this, he was a winner before the NBA excuse. It wouldn't be okay for other players honestly. Melo was a winner at Cuse and with the USA team. But we all seem to mention his behavior. I see a trend in his fans I do not like at all. I can see them blaming the players for all of his career for his shortcomings as well. This will be a tragic case. I see it coming.

Sorry but no one will nor should take this seriously. It's the ramblings of a crazy conspiracy theorist with a very blatant and significant axe to grind. You can see it coming, I'm sure. That omnipotent power of yours