NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 (Fresh poll ➥ Vote)

[JN61]

He is the odds on favorite to win the MVP if you're at a sportsbook. Which is of course absurd, but he is.

If Dennis Schroeder is your breaking point, there's an issue.

As a Warriors fan, I have zero sympathy for his plights of struggling to keep this team above .500 without another superstar. I do agree though, the team needs playmakers and they don't have it when both are out (though Schroder has been back and they're still not looking like a contender what so ever). I'm just illuminating the point that he has a terrible case for MVP, but yet is still the odds-on favorite to win it.

He gets the Warriors on a super tough b2b after rest tonight, let's see what happens.

He's 9-6 without AD lmao, what do you even mean struggling to stay above .500? That's just under 50 win pace. And how many of those games have also been without the starting PG and/or center? No Davis, no Gasol, and no Caruso tonight, and still a 30 point blowout. You're just gonna keep shifting the goalposts though.

Just winning games doesn't get you MVP.

[DCasey91]

Jokic
Embiid (Now injured)
Giannis/Harden

They’ve definitely been the best this year. If Giannis/Harden doesn’t get a top three finish at minimum something is afoul. That top 4 is pretty clear cut in my eyes

[chaimer]

Harden's hype will stop the second KD sets his foot on that court again

[DCasey91]

Harden's hype will stop the second KD sets his foot on that court again

Aint hype this is Harden pretty much for the last six years. His MVP year he probably had two seasons that were better (maybe three lol).

East is a cakewalk
Smoked everyone in the West in a 14 day span lol
Doesn’t he already have the second most triple doubles in the Nets history? He’s up to nine now I think at an absurd rate.

Harden has always been disrespected
Weird that Giannis is getting it now too (should be well in front of LBJ imo.)

[Castle Black]

The fact that Giannis is getting disrespected the way he is just because of “Voter Fatigue” or whatever is ridiculous. This dude is having another absurd season on both ends while putting up ridiculous numbers again and is clearly the most valuable player to his team imo. Oh, and most importantly, they’re winning.

My list right now is:

1. Giannis
2. Embiid (will drop considerably now that he’s out)
3. Harden
4. Jokic (would be #1 if his team was better)
5. Lebron

[mademan]

The fact that Giannis is getting disrespected the way he is just because of “Voter Fatigue” or whatever is ridiculous. This dude is having another absurd season on both ends while putting up ridiculous numbers again and is clearly the most valuable player to his team imo. Oh, and most importantly, they’re winning.

My list right now is:

1. Giannis
2. Embiid (will drop considerably now that he’s out)
3. Harden
4. Jokic
5. Lebron

disregard narrative and it would be Giannis at 1 and Harden at 2. But the NBA is the NBA, and neither has a decent chance

[rate_]

How is Nets Harden in the MVP conversation but not Jimmy Butler?

Harden: 26 G | 24.9 PER | .224 WS/48 | 6.9 BPM | 0.2 On-Off
Butler: 25 G | 26.8 PER | .255 WS/48 | 8.0 BPM | 14.4 On-Off

[Woodsanity]

Jokic will have the best numbers, but it remains to be seen if the Nuggets can bridge the record gap to make him a viable candidate.

Haven't seen a full Nuggets game thus far so I can't say why they are so underwhelming. Either way I won't reward Jokic for putting up numbers on an overall disappointing start to the year for Denver and mediocre team in general (record wise). The team has the talent and coaching to compete for a top 3 seed so I'm not sure what the problem is there. And I doubt Grant was that big of a blow. But then again maybe he was judging by the season he's having in Detroit. Hmm.

They loss Plumlee too and MPJ was injured for a bit. Jamal Murray is also inconsistent as hell. 3 points, 10 points and 16 points the last three games....

Very disappointing play from Murray, he was supposed to take a big step up.

[FinnTheHuman]

Jokic will have the best numbers, but it remains to be seen if the Nuggets can bridge the record gap to make him a viable candidate.

Haven't seen a full Nuggets game thus far so I can't say why they are so underwhelming. Either way I won't reward Jokic for putting up numbers on an overall disappointing start to the year for Denver and mediocre team in general (record wise). The team has the talent and coaching to compete for a top 3 seed so I'm not sure what the problem is there. And I doubt Grant was that big of a blow. But then again maybe he was judging by the season he's having in Detroit. Hmm.

They loss Plumlee too and MPJ was injured for a bit. Jamal Murray is also inconsistent as hell. 3 points, 10 points and 16 points the last three games....

Very disappointing play from Murray, he was supposed to take a big step up.

Idk, if you think about it, they barely had an offseason, guys usually improve if they have time to heal their bodies and work on new skills over the 5 months they usually have.

[Veselyfan]

Jokic

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[Woodsanity]

Haven't seen a full Nuggets game thus far so I can't say why they are so underwhelming. Either way I won't reward Jokic for putting up numbers on an overall disappointing start to the year for Denver and mediocre team in general (record wise). The team has the talent and coaching to compete for a top 3 seed so I'm not sure what the problem is there. And I doubt Grant was that big of a blow. But then again maybe he was judging by the season he's having in Detroit. Hmm.

They loss Plumlee too and MPJ was injured for a bit. Jamal Murray is also inconsistent as hell. 3 points, 10 points and 16 points the last three games....

Very disappointing play from Murray, he was supposed to take a big step up.

Idk, if you think about it, they barely had an offseason, guys usually improve if they have time to heal their bodies and work on new skills over the 5 months they usually have.

True, seems to have had the opposite impact on Jokic though. Dude is probably in the best shape of his life. He didn't have an offseason to eat himself out of shape.

[Alatan]

Jokic will have the best numbers, but it remains to be seen if the Nuggets can bridge the record gap to make him a viable candidate.

Haven't seen a full Nuggets game thus far so I can't say why they are so underwhelming. Either way I won't reward Jokic for putting up numbers on an overall disappointing start to the year for Denver and mediocre team in general (record wise). The team has the talent and coaching to compete for a top 3 seed so I'm not sure what the problem is there. And I doubt Grant was that big of a blow. But then again maybe he was judging by the season he's having in Detroit. Hmm.

Who are these talented players surrounding Jokic? Id trade all of them to get a player like AD. Il even throw in the coach.

In reality Murray is a super streaky border line allstar that can give you 30 one game and 3 points the next one. Better hope he is hot because he will give you nothing else.
MPJ is still raw. He has talent to be an allstar but is currently just a sharpshooter.
The rest are borderline starters, rookies and castoffs from other teams.

[Mickey8]

Jokic stats for March are currently at 30 ppg,12rb and 8 assist, the team is 6-1 , 8 gamest still left to play in March , he could very likely win the second , player of the month award this season .

[dygaction]

Jokic stats for March are currently at 30 ppg,12rb and 8 assist, the team is 6-1 , 8 gamest still left to play in March , he could very likely win the second , player of the month award this season .

That sounds about right, as he is on pace to player of the year award.

[hege53190]

Jokic stats for March are currently at 30 ppg,12rb and 8 assist, the team is 6-1 , 8 gamest still left to play in March , he could very likely win the second , player of the month award this season .

Jokic's team is 5-1

But before we give him Player of the Month lets just look at other players

Giannis is 4-1 averaging 28p /11r /8a / 1.6s /1.2b on 62/46/80 efficiency

Harden is 5-0 averaging 25p/11r /12a/1.6s/1.4b on 48/24/92 efficiency

Just like the MVP race. Lets not call this at the midway point.

[dygaction]

According to total points added (TPA) this season, the ranking is:
1 Nikola Jokić 333.84
2 Giannis Antetokounmpo 240.75
3 Stephen Curry 206.97
4 LeBron James 196.84
5 Joel Embiid 184.71
6 Luka Dončić 179.02
7 James Harden 171.93
https://nbamath.com/2020-21-nba-tpa/

According to TPA/min, or TPA/Games, the ranking is:
1 Nikola Jokić
2 Giannis Antetokounmpo
3 Joel Embiid
4 Stephen Curry
5 LeBron James
6 Luka Dončić
7 James Harden

The reason I stopped at 7 is to include James Harden. Don't think anyone below has a chance anymore. The reason Harden is at 7 is because the earlier games with Rockets, which will actually hurt his real chance of winning the MVP. Had Harden started with Nets, likely he would be top 3 up there.

[dygaction]

Jokic stats for March are currently at 30 ppg,12rb and 8 assist, the team is 6-1 , 8 gamest still left to play in March , he could very likely win the second , player of the month award this season .

Jokic's team is 5-1

But before we give him Player of the Month lets just look at other players

Giannis is 4-1 averaging 28p /11r /8a / 1.6s /1.2b on 62/46/80 efficiency

Harden is 5-0 averaging 25p/11r /12a/1.6s/1.4b on 48/24/92 efficiency

Just like the MVP race. Lets not call this at the midway point.

but wait, Harden and Giannis you listed are competing for player of the month in the Eastern conference.

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[hege53190]

Jokic stats for March are currently at 30 ppg,12rb and 8 assist, the team is 6-1 , 8 gamest still left to play in March , he could very likely win the second , player of the month award this season .

Jokic's team is 5-1

But before we give him Player of the Month lets just look at other players

Giannis is 4-1 averaging 28p /11r /8a / 1.6s /1.2b on 62/46/80 efficiency

Harden is 5-0 averaging 25p/11r /12a/1.6s/1.4b on 48/24/92 efficiency

Just like the MVP race. Lets not call this at the midway point.

but wait, Harden and Giannis you listed are competing for player of the month in the Eastern conference.

I didn't know there was a Eastern and Western Conference Player of the Month. Shows you how much I pay attention to it.

[hege53190]

[quote="Veselyfan"]Jokic

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I don't know how defensive points saved works but the nuggets are giving up 115 points per 100 possessions with Nikola on the court and 106 points per 100 possessions when he is off the court.

If he has half the defensive impact that this chart suggests you wouldn't think that number would be so bad.

Either this stat is extremely flawed or the rest of the players playing with Jokic are just terrible while being fantastic while Jokic is out of the game.