Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[Bobalob]

How so? In a weak east, a team led by Kyrie and Kevin Love is at worst a 4 seed. With even better upside if Bron goes west. Thats not bad enough to blow it up. They'd be in a similar position as say Toronto or Washington

Plus they're not really in a position to blow it up w/ Smith and Thompson making that money

I'd blow it up because Kyrie would be out the door once his last year was up. The only way I think he would stay and pick up his 3rd year option is if he became eligible for the DPE max contract, in which case if you pay him that much money, the team you can build around him as a centerpiece has a ceiling of mediocrity regardless.

The idea would be to dump the toxic contracts alongside the good assets (i.e. Kyrie) to speed up the rebuild this go round. Once it became clear LBJ was bailing, I'd hit the reset button immediately.

Imo thats already happend lol Honestly f i were them i'd trade Kyrie AND Love right now.

Bron aint coming back AND you're not beating GS.

Cleveland doesnt have the balls to do that tho. So if you dont do that, then you might as well stand pat. Once Bron leaves i think you look at what OKC is doing as a model and you aim for high level competetive basketball. You have tO trade away far too much to rebuild. On the flip, you have a young-vet core that should iwn 50 games a year

Bank on Kyrie taking the PDE and if not trade him at the deadline of his last year. I think its worth the risk bc w/ Kyire and Love in the weak East i can easily see the Cvs reachign an ECF. Title or bust cant be the model for everyone.

[Seabass11]

How so? In a weak east, a team led by Kyrie and Kevin Love is at worst a 4 seed. With even better upside if Bron goes west. Thats not bad enough to blow it up. They'd be in a similar position as say Toronto or Washington

Plus they're not really in a position to blow it up w/ Smith and Thompson making that money

I'd blow it up because Kyrie would be out the door once his last year was up. The only way I think he would stay and pick up his 3rd year option is if he became eligible for the DPE max contract, in which case if you pay him that much money, the team you can build around him as a centerpiece has a ceiling of mediocrity regardless.

The idea would be to dump the toxic contracts alongside the good assets (i.e. Kyrie) to speed up the rebuild this go round. Once it became clear LBJ was bailing, I'd hit the reset button immediately.

Imo thats already happend lol If i were them i'd trade Kyire AND Love right now.

Bron aint coming back AND you're not beating GS.

Cleveland doesnt have the balls to do that tho.

Lol would you pass up the opportunity at one more year of playing in the NBA Finals (for just the 5th time ever) just so you can get a little head start on a rebuild that will HOPEFULLY get you back to this same point? Its not as if the Warriros stars have had injury free careers either. The Cavs are one injury away from being the favorites to win the NBA Finals. Why would you blow that up?

I swear, by the way some of you talk, your team has been competing for an NBA Finals every other year or something. People are severely underestimating just how much it takes to build a winning roster and how much LUCK is involved (see 3 #1 picks in a 4 year span)

[Stillwater]

How so? In a weak east, a team led by Kyrie and Kevin Love is at worst a 4 seed. With even better upside if Bron goes west. Thats not bad enough to blow it up. They'd be in a similar position as say Toronto or Washington

Plus they're not really in a position to blow it up w/ Smith and Thompson making that money

I'd blow it up because Kyrie would be out the door once his last year was up. The only way I think he would stay and pick up his 3rd year option is if he became eligible for the DPE max contract, in which case if you pay him that much money, the team you can build around him as a centerpiece has a ceiling of mediocrity regardless.

The idea would be to dump the toxic contracts alongside the good assets (i.e. Kyrie) to speed up the rebuild this go round. Once it became clear LBJ was bailing, I'd hit the reset button immediately.

Imo thats already happend lol If i were them i'd trade Kyire AND Love right now.

Bron aint coming back AND you're not beating GS.

Cleveland doesnt have the balls to do that tho.

What convincing evidence do you have that Lebron has made a decision now as opposed to a yr from now?
He has never opted in early. They are not trading Love even if Lebron does end up bolting to be the savior of the Lakers or some other pipe dream manufactured by the media and Sheridan that he is 100% gone etc. When he publicly not once but twice stated he plans to end his career in Cleveland.
You think he is going to leave and come back again? buahaha

[Bobalob]

I'd blow it up because Kyrie would be out the door once his last year was up. The only way I think he would stay and pick up his 3rd year option is if he became eligible for the DPE max contract, in which case if you pay him that much money, the team you can build around him as a centerpiece has a ceiling of mediocrity regardless.

The idea would be to dump the toxic contracts alongside the good assets (i.e. Kyrie) to speed up the rebuild this go round. Once it became clear LBJ was bailing, I'd hit the reset button immediately.

Imo thats already happend lol If i were them i'd trade Kyire AND Love right now.

Bron aint coming back AND you're not beating GS.

Cleveland doesnt have the balls to do that tho.

Lol would you pass up the opportunity at one more year of playing in the NBA Finals (for just the 5th time ever) just so you can get a little head start on a rebuild that will HOPEFULLY get you back to this same point? Its not as if the Warriros stars have had injury free careers either. The Cavs are one injury away from being the favorites to win the NBA Finals. Why would you blow that up?

I swear, by the way some of you talk, your team has been competing for an NBA Finals every other year or something. People are severely underestimating just how much it takes to build a winning roster and how much LUCK is involved (see 3 #1 picks in a 4 year span)

Nah im not a 'if you aint winning a title blow it up' type of guy. Read the rest of my post.

What im saying is if you ARE gonna trade Kyrie, you might as well trade Love too.

Bc if you trade Kyrie, it'd be wise to trade for future prospects. And if you trade for future prospects...you get the drift

So its not a matter of speeding it up, its about selling high and taking advantage of timeframes.

If you're NOT gonna trade Kyrie then i'd stand pat for the year.

But the last thing you wanna do is trade Kyrie for a 'win now' package and Bron is out the door, and Kyrie STILL wants to be traded. Lets not forget that angle.

[Benedict_Boozer]

^I see your point, but Lebron is worth so much value off the court dollars wise, no owner would ever trade him. It's more than basketball, just having him on the team is a huge deal. I mean look at this board or ESPN, FSN, every other topic is Lebron Lebron Lebron.

Gilbert will roll the dice even if it's a very low probability Lebron resigns just for the chance he does, given the dollars at stake.

Dumping Kyrie and Love for a rebuild while LBJ is still under contract would be guaranteeing his ticket out. Won't happen.

[gino_giode]

I'd blow it up because Kyrie would be out the door once his last year was up. The only way I think he would stay and pick up his 3rd year option is if he became eligible for the DPE max contract, in which case if you pay him that much money, the team you can build around him as a centerpiece has a ceiling of mediocrity regardless.

The idea would be to dump the toxic contracts alongside the good assets (i.e. Kyrie) to speed up the rebuild this go round. Once it became clear LBJ was bailing, I'd hit the reset button immediately.

Imo thats already happend lol If i were them i'd trade Kyire AND Love right now.

Bron aint coming back AND you're not beating GS.

Cleveland doesnt have the balls to do that tho.

What convincing evidence do you have that Lebron has made a decision now as opposed to a yr from now?
He has never opted in early. They are not trading Love even if Lebron does end up bolting to be the savior of the Lakers or some other pipe dream manufactured by the media and Sheridan that he is 100% gone etc. When he publicly not once but twice stated he plans to end his career in Cleveland.
You think he is going to leave and come back again? buahaha

Well, the second time he said he wasn't leaving Cleveland the Warriors hadn't added KD yet. Tim Duncan also wanted to play another year, but after KD he promptly retired.

Without KD the Cavs are 50/50 favorites, meaning a much more level playing field. With KD it's like 90/10 and the Cavs basically hope that Houston knocks them out or someone gets injured.

[magnumt]

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