2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread

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Re: Bagley is a beast 

Post#2081 » by HotelVitale » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:27 pm

GameBredAPBT wrote:Can we get some folks in here who said this kid would be a non-factor/bust to eat some crow? People were calling it one of the biggest draft blunders of all time, taking him at 2. Not only does he have one of the quickest 2nd jumps I've ever seen, his footwork is absolutely sick. He's going to be a post up machine. His rebounding is going to be outstanding eventually, and he's a gamer through & through, seems to have a very mature mindset for his age. The thing that intrigues me most about him, is that he's such a unique player; I can't really think of anyone I could compare him to. He has a very unique build & skillset. I personally think the sky is the limit for this kid & the Kaangz, they made a picture perfect pick, and they're playing winning basketball, unlike some teams (*cough* Suns, *cough* Mavs).


For almost every draft prospect, some people irrationally dump on them and make stupid comparisons to previous busts. There's generally no point in making those people eat crow, they never take responsibility for what they say and either pretend they never said it, completely distort what they said, or just shout louder about something else. They're like fox news.

At the same time, there were many people who called taking Bagley at #2 a big mistake because of who else was available. Most people who were actually watching tape and sort of know what they're talking about had Bagley in their top 8-10, and a lot of those folks just thought Doncic or JJJ or Bamba were better prospects. I don't think it's time to start making calls about that, though it's totally true that Bagley is making a lot of people see that as a real debate (and one they might lose).

I also don't remember many people who had Bagley as a clear-cut #2 so there probably aren't that many people in a position to be bragging or upping their draft guru status now. (Also the Mavs are winning as much as the Kings this year.)
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#2082 » by mg » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:34 pm

LukaV wrote:I'm glad Sexton had two very good games, I hope that's a sign of (good) things to come! Cavs fans, what has been the difference between these two games and the ones before that caused such a big change in Cavs/Sexton level of play?

I'm also glad that Bagley had a very good game as well, I have a soft spot for the Kings and don't want them to be haunted by not drafting Dončić. I just wish the Kings weren't so log-jammed in the frontcourt positions so we could see Bagley consistently get 30+ minutes with lots of touches. However, perhaps it's for the best that they're easing him into having a pivotal role. Too bad that Giles hasn't yet built on his promising Summer League play, but with his injury history it's best to be patient.

As for Dončić, I'm glad he had another good shooting night from distance. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop in terms of his 3pt shooting numbers dipping towards the lower 30s, but I'll gladly be proven wrong if he keeps it up like this! And I do hope that with DSJ coming back from injury they'll find a way to keep Dončić as the primary playmaker, because games like this show that he can do wonders if given the full reigns.

I really hope that we'll look back at this draft in 5-7 years' time as one of the best drafts in NBA history. It looks like it has the potential for it.


Sexton's had more than just 2 good games. He was playing very well at the beginning of the season too before vets like JR and Hill started to sabotage the kid in the media.
Sexton has now been averaging over 20 ppg on good efficiency as a starter since Hill got injured and has played even better these past 3 games since JR was sent home.

For a 19 year old kid he is also alpha af.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#2083 » by alessandrux » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:45 pm

How do you perceive Bambas lateral quickness?

I have not seen that much of Orlando,so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
What I have seen of him was on the one hand very promising. He is already very smart in how to position himself on defense, has a nice shooting stroke and seems very willing to play for the team and not his own stats(challenging/setting screens/etc. ).
On the other hand, for such a light/nimble looking guy, his lateral speed seems a bit slow to me and that would take a lot of his appeal away, because I doubt you can be a elite/very good defender if you can't stay in front of the super quick guys.
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Re: Bagley is a beast 

Post#2084 » by BoogieTime » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:16 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:Can we get some folks in here who said this kid would be a non-factor/bust to eat some crow? People were calling it one of the biggest draft blunders of all time, taking him at 2. Not only does he have one of the quickest 2nd jumps I've ever seen, his footwork is absolutely sick. He's going to be a post up machine. His rebounding is going to be outstanding eventually, and he's a gamer through & through, seems to have a very mature mindset for his age. The thing that intrigues me most about him, is that he's such a unique player; I can't really think of anyone I could compare him to. He has a very unique build & skillset. I personally think the sky is the limit for this kid & the Kaangz, they made a picture perfect pick, and they're playing winning basketball, unlike some teams (*cough* Suns, *cough* Mavs).


For almost every draft prospect, some people irrationally dump on them and make stupid comparisons to previous busts. There's generally no point in making those people eat crow, they never take responsibility for what they say and either pretend they never said it, completely distort what they said, or just shout louder about something else. They're like fox news.

At the same time, there were many people who called taking Bagley at #2 a big mistake because of who else was available. Most people who were actually watching tape and sort of know what they're talking about had Bagley in their top 8-10, and a lot of those folks just thought Doncic or JJJ or Bamba were better prospects. I don't think it's time to start making calls about that, though it's totally true that Bagley is making a lot of people see that as a real debate (and one they might lose).

I also don't remember many people who had Bagley as a clear-cut #2 so there probably aren't that many people in a position to be bragging or upping their draft guru status now. (Also the Mavs are winning as much as the Kings this year.)


Bro, do you have respect? Don’t be bringing up politics here (Fox News). Sick of reading that stuff when trying to discuss game

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Re: Ayton who? 

Post#2085 » by nolang1 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:33 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:Don't sleep on Jaren Jackson Jr.


No one's sleeping on him, but he isn't receiving the minutes that the other touted rookies are receiving. That's why he isn't getting brought up. He plays for a contending team & is being brought on slowly, while the others play for crap teams & have green lights to go ape.


He has plenty of games where he gets like 5 fouls in 15 minutes, so you can't really put that on him getting brought on slowly.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#2086 » by GameBredAPBT » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:38 pm

Man, this board is a complete mess. No only is the website layout ancient & borderline unresponsive, you have troll threads like "Anthony Davis to the Lakers" or "Kevin Durant to the Knicks" that are allowed to go on for pages & pages, but then actual relevant, sensical threads get lumped into whatever category the mods choose. I'd really like the know what constitutes an appropriate discussion thread on here.
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Re: Ayton who? 

Post#2087 » by BlueSan » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:26 pm

draftnightsuit wrote:Doncic fanboys are starting to get annoying.

He’s good and I’m a fan of his, but he’s not that good to the point Phoenix would regret taking Ayton over him.

And Ayton has also been better. Doncic has a usage rate, plays no defense, and is a turnover machine.



The first part of the post I understood, each rookie of the year candidate has its own fans and some are vocal, some less, some a bit too much in your face and what not, so yeah I get it, though I tend to ignore and dont go into those debates, especially when I see some people would want to debate and defend their own case for pages.

I also completely understand the part of Phoenix having no regrets, I dont know why they should.
- 1stly we are barely 20 games into the season
- We are still at the bery begining of the road and who knows how these guys will develop
- And even ignoring the above two and even if Doncic ends up being the clear best player, Ayton so far has more than proven that he is really good himself so I agree no idea why PHX should have regrets...

The last part though I do this is a bit rude and in a sense provocative. Doncic not playing any defense for instance and turnover machine and what not...
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#2088 » by LukaV » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:45 pm

If I'm Phoenix, I'm more than ecstatic with picking Ayton. He gives them a great foundation with Booker, Bridges & Warren to become one of the best teams in the West in a few years' time, plus he's an Arizona native and thus considerably less likely to demand a trade or leave in free agency.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#2089 » by Bob8 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:29 pm

LukaV wrote:If I'm Phoenix, I'm more than ecstatic with picking Ayton. He gives them a great foundation with Booker, Bridges & Warren to become one of the best teams in the West in a few years' time, plus he's an Arizona native and thus considerably less likely to demand a trade or leave in free agency.



I have never understood why Ayton is Arizona native? He lives 3 years there.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#2090 » by LukaV » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:21 pm

My mistake, I misremembered. I thought he also went to high school there, but it turns out he didn't.
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Re: Bagley is a beast 

Post#2091 » by agentofatlas » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:56 pm

GameBredAPBT wrote:Can we get some folks in here who said this kid would be a non-factor/bust to eat some crow? People were calling it one of the biggest draft blunders of all time, taking him at 2.

Not only does he have one of the quickest 2nd jumps I've ever seen, his footwork is absolutely sick. He's going to be a post up machine. His rebounding is going to be outstanding eventually, and he's a gamer through & through, seems to have a very mature mindset for his age.

The thing that intrigues me most about him, is that he's such a unique player; I can't really think of anyone I could compare him to. He has a very unique build & skillset. I personally think the sky is the limit for this kid & the Kaangz, they made a picture perfect pick, and they're playing winning basketball, unlike some teams (*cough* Suns, *cough* Mavs).


WTH talking about dude? The Mavs are just 1 game behind Sac lol.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#2092 » by INKtastic » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:37 pm

who's going to win the rookies of the month?

Doncic/Sexton?
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#2093 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:00 am

could've had a better game but 25 points 13 rebounds 3 blocks against drummond and blake is pretty impressive
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#2094 » by Mephariel » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:43 am

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LukaV wrote:I'm glad Sexton had two very good games, I hope that's a sign of (good) things to come! Cavs fans, what has been the difference between these two games and the ones before that caused such a big change in Cavs/Sexton level of play?

I'm also glad that Bagley had a very good game as well, I have a soft spot for the Kings and don't want them to be haunted by not drafting Dončić. I just wish the Kings weren't so log-jammed in the frontcourt positions so we could see Bagley consistently get 30+ minutes with lots of touches. However, perhaps it's for the best that they're easing him into having a pivotal role. Too bad that Giles hasn't yet built on his promising Summer League play, but with his injury history it's best to be patient.

As for Dončić, I'm glad he had another good shooting night from distance. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop in terms of his 3pt shooting numbers dipping towards the lower 30s, but I'll gladly be proven wrong if he keeps it up like this! And I do hope that with DSJ coming back from injury they'll find a way to keep Dončić as the primary playmaker, because games like this show that he can do wonders if given the full reigns.

I really hope that we'll look back at this draft in 5-7 years' time as one of the best drafts in NBA history. It looks like it has the potential for it.


Sexton's had more than just 2 good games. He was playing very well at the beginning of the season too before vets like JR and Hill started to sabotage the kid in the media.
Sexton has now been averaging over 20 ppg on good efficiency as a starter since Hill got injured and has played even better these past 3 games since JR was sent home.

For a 19 year old kid he is also alpha af.


Sexton's offensive skills are much better than expected, even though he sucks are shooting 3s. I think my biggest concern is his passing skills.
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Re: Ayton who? 

Post#2095 » by Mephariel » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:45 am

BlueSan wrote:
draftnightsuit wrote:Doncic fanboys are starting to get annoying.

He’s good and I’m a fan of his, but he’s not that good to the point Phoenix would regret taking Ayton over him.

And Ayton has also been better. Doncic has a usage rate, plays no defense, and is a turnover machine.



The first part of the post I understood, each rookie of the year candidate has its own fans and some are vocal, some less, some a bit too much in your face and what not, so yeah I get it, though I tend to ignore and dont go into those debates, especially when I see some people would want to debate and defend their own case for pages.

I also completely understand the part of Phoenix having no regrets, I dont know why they should.
- 1stly we are barely 20 games into the season
- We are still at the bery begining of the road and who knows how these guys will develop
- And even ignoring the above two and even if Doncic ends up being the clear best player, Ayton so far has more than proven that he is really good himself so I agree no idea why PHX should have regrets...

The last part though I do this is a bit rude and in a sense provocative. Doncic not playing any defense for instance and turnover machine and what not...


If any team in the top 5 has any regrets, it is Atlanta, not Phoenix. I like Young but I just can't see him being an consistently efficient scorer.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread 

Post#2096 » by magnumt » Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:40 pm

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