The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[RB34]

How did it come out? I'm curious.

Here it is again:

"Simmons doesn't have the onus of carrying the entire Sixers offense on his shoulders."

Somehow in your head that translates into:

"Simmons does not effect the 6ers offense"

???

There were 4 other Jazz players in double figures including 2 with 20. Mitchell doesn’t carry the entire offence, stop.

Really? Who else do they rely on offensively? Their second leading scorer is in Cleveland. Their third leading scorer is Rudy Gobert who's not exactly an offensive juggernaut and missed half the season to boot. Who's left? Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio?

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense scheme. He goes into every game as the opposing defense's primary focus, and is dropping 22/5/5/2 per 36 on 17 PER and a 55 TS% as a true rookie.

Give me a break. He's **** legit and you trying to downplay him by mentioning how many shots he missed is just you being salty AF.

As I said before I was just looking at it the same way Simmons gets looked at by some posters in this thread.

Simmons had a triple double with 15 assists and 0 turnovers the other day but people were going at him for only scoring 11 points.

I actually like Mitchell, he’s going to be a stud going forward.

[Black Mage]

How did it come out? I'm curious.

Here it is again:

"Simmons doesn't have the onus of carrying the entire Sixers offense on his shoulders."

Somehow in your head that translates into:

"Simmons does not effect the 6ers offense"

???

There were 4 other Jazz players in double figures including 2 with 20. Mitchell doesn’t carry the entire offence, stop.

Really? Who else do they rely on offensively? Their second leading scorer is in Cleveland. Their third leading scorer is Rudy Gobert who's not exactly an offensive juggernaut and missed half the season to boot. Who's left? Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio?

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense scheme. He goes into every game as the opposing defense's primary focus, and is dropping 22/5/5/2 per 36 on 17 PER and a 55 TS% as a true rookie.

Give me a break. He's **** legit and you trying to downplay him by mentioning how many shots he missed is just you being salty AF.

Those numbers are eerily similar to Allen Iversons rookie year. As a Sixers fan I can tell you with certainty that this kind of scoring inefficiency and shot chucking will never take you to the promised land.

For DM to truly be an All NBA talent he has to improve his efficiency.

[bebopdeluxe]

I read your post the same as RB34. Maybe you know what you meant, but it certainly didn't come out as you think it did.

How did it come out? I'm curious.

Here it is again:

"Simmons doesn't have the onus of carrying the entire Sixers offense on his shoulders."

Somehow in your head that translates into:

"Simmons does not effect the 6ers offense"

???

There were 4 other Jazz players in double figures including 2 with 20. Mitchell doesn’t carry the entire offence, stop.

Ummm...I think that someone needs to tell Mitchell that. Either him or Snyder.

Mitchell is FOURTH on the Jazz in WS and VORP. This “Mitchell is carrying the Jazz” narrative is garbage.

[clyde21]

There were 4 other Jazz players in double figures including 2 with 20. Mitchell doesn’t carry the entire offence, stop.

Really? Who else do they rely on offensively? Their second leading scorer is in Cleveland. Their third leading scorer is Rudy Gobert who's not exactly an offensive juggernaut and missed half the season to boot. Who's left? Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio?

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense scheme. He goes into every game as the opposing defense's primary focus, and is dropping 22/5/5/2 per 36 on 17 PER and a 55 TS% as a true rookie.

Give me a break. He's **** legit and you trying to downplay him by mentioning how many shots he missed is just you being salty AF.

As I said before I was just looking at it the same way Simmons gets looked at by some posters in this thread.

Simmons had a triple double with 15 assists and 0 turnovers the other day but people were going at him for only scoring 11 points.

I actually like Mitchell, he’s going to be a stud going forward.

Simmons has taken ZERO 3s this year. That's the issue that some posters here have. The vast majority of his shots are within 10 feet. Mitchell takes a wider variety of shots at much longer distances, so your comparison and in turn criticism of Mitchell's shooting rings hollow.

[clyde21]

There were 4 other Jazz players in double figures including 2 with 20. Mitchell doesn’t carry the entire offence, stop.

Really? Who else do they rely on offensively? Their second leading scorer is in Cleveland. Their third leading scorer is Rudy Gobert who's not exactly an offensive juggernaut and missed half the season to boot. Who's left? Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio?

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense scheme. He goes into every game as the opposing defense's primary focus, and is dropping 22/5/5/2 per 36 on 17 PER and a 55 TS% as a true rookie.

Give me a break. He's **** legit and you trying to downplay him by mentioning how many shots he missed is just you being salty AF.

Those numbers are eerily similar to Allen Iversons rookie year. As a Sixers fan I can tell you with certainty that this kind of scoring inefficiency and shot chucking will never take you to the promised land.

For DM to truly be an All NBA talent he has to improve his efficiency.

He has the same exact numbers as a rookie as D-Wade (better, actually), so I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

[bebopdeluxe]

There were 4 other Jazz players in double figures including 2 with 20. Mitchell doesn’t carry the entire offence, stop.

Really? Who else do they rely on offensively? Their second leading scorer is in Cleveland. Their third leading scorer is Rudy Gobert who's not exactly an offensive juggernaut and missed half the season to boot. Who's left? Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio?

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense scheme. He goes into every game as the opposing defense's primary focus, and is dropping 22/5/5/2 per 36 on 17 PER and a 55 TS% as a true rookie.

Give me a break. He's **** legit and you trying to downplay him by mentioning how many shots he missed is just you being salty AF.

Those numbers are eerily similar to Allen Iversons rookie year. As a Sixers fan I can tell you with certainty that this kind of scoring inefficiency and shot chucking will never take you to the promised land.

For DM to truly be an All NBA talent he has to improve his efficiency.

Word, bro. I absolutely LOVED me some AI...but at the end of the day his legacy was the same...an inefficient volume shooter/scorer who won you some games but never took you to the promised land.

The kid is an unreal talent. I just don’t get how his inefficency as a scorer (on ridiculous usage) gets so much play, relative to the stat-sheet-polluting, All-Defense playing game that Simmons brings to the table. The statistics don’t lie.

[Catchall]

I read your post the same as RB34. Maybe you know what you meant, but it certainly didn't come out as you think it did.

How did it come out? I'm curious.

Here it is again:

"Simmons doesn't have the onus of carrying the entire Sixers offense on his shoulders."

Somehow in your head that translates into:

"Simmons does not effect the 6ers offense"

???

There were 4 other Jazz players in double figures including 2 with 20. Mitchell doesn’t carry the entire offence, stop.

Mitchell is the only guy on that Jazz team who can beat his defender and create a shot for himself or someone else consistently. Everything else they run is motion and hand-offs and pick-and-rolls over and over. In the last 5 or 6 minutes of the game, the Jazz give Mitchell the ball and tell him to go make plays to create the offense, whether that means scoring it or setting up other guys.

Mitchell scored 12 of the Jazz's last 14 points and assisted Rudy Gobert for the only other bucket. He did all that in the last 2 minutes of the game and willed the Jazz to get to overtime even when the Spurs were sending two defenders, trapping and hedging towards him. Mitchell is simply carrying a huge offensive load for the Jazz, probably more than any other rookie this year, and that's what other players and coaches are saying about him.

A 21 year-old rookie is being asked to carry a team when it matters most, and most nights he's doing it. You have to say that's remarkable whether you're a Ben Simmons fan, a Jayson Tatum fan, or any other fan.

[bebopdeluxe]

There were 4 other Jazz players in double figures including 2 with 20. Mitchell doesn’t carry the entire offence, stop.

Really? Who else do they rely on offensively? Their second leading scorer is in Cleveland. Their third leading scorer is Rudy Gobert who's not exactly an offensive juggernaut and missed half the season to boot. Who's left? Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio?

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense scheme. He goes into every game as the opposing defense's primary focus, and is dropping 22/5/5/2 per 36 on 17 PER and a 55 TS% as a true rookie.

Give me a break. He's **** legit and you trying to downplay him by mentioning how many shots he missed is just you being salty AF.

As I said before I was just looking at it the same way Simmons gets looked at by some posters in this thread.

Simmons had a triple double with 15 assists and 0 turnovers the other day but people were going at him for only scoring 11 points.

I actually like Mitchell, he’s going to be a stud going forward.

Absolutely. A triple double with 15 dimes and ZERO turnovers...but NOT ENUF POINTZ!!!

[Black Mage]

Really? Who else do they rely on offensively? Their second leading scorer is in Cleveland. Their third leading scorer is Rudy Gobert who's not exactly an offensive juggernaut and missed half the season to boot. Who's left? Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio?

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense scheme. He goes into every game as the opposing defense's primary focus, and is dropping 22/5/5/2 per 36 on 17 PER and a 55 TS% as a true rookie.

Give me a break. He's **** legit and you trying to downplay him by mentioning how many shots he missed is just you being salty AF.

Those numbers are eerily similar to Allen Iversons rookie year. As a Sixers fan I can tell you with certainty that this kind of scoring inefficiency and shot chucking will never take you to the promised land.

For DM to truly be an All NBA talent he has to improve his efficiency.

He has the same exact numbers as a rookie as D-Wade (better, actually), so I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

Um, no their numbers aren't even close. Wade also attempted less than 1 three a game. Certainly something DM isn't imitating. DM attempts six a game, Iverson attempted 6 a game as a rookie.

Wade also attempted fewer shots a game. Iverson is much closer to DM volume shooting.

[APettyJ]

There goes that "true rookie" thing, because everyone knows having an NBA trainer spot you while lifting weights since you arent fully cleared for practice until April of your "rookie" season is sooo much better than actually playing basketball and using and honing skill on the hardwood.

I also like how DM is the better "scorer",.even though Simmons has the better TS%, eFG%, and FG%, AND shoots for a higher percentage from 10ft and under AND shoots more of his shots there compared to Mitchell, including 3-10ft. Mitchell beats Simmons only at 10ft-3pt and foul SHOOTING (Mitchell is a very good shooter, Simmons is the better guy at creating and scoring, i.e. putting the ball in the hoop).

Also like how we going to ignore that Simmons 7.8 apg at minimum equals another 15.6 pts for a total of 32 points Simmons is responsible for to DM's total of 27ppg, and yet Mitchell means more to his offense. Is that why ORTG, OWS and PER favor Simmons? I wonder how much Simmons would score if HE shot 34 times, or if HE was just allowed to play in the 4th quarter anymore!

[bebopdeluxe]

How did it come out? I'm curious.

Here it is again:

"Simmons doesn't have the onus of carrying the entire Sixers offense on his shoulders."

Somehow in your head that translates into:

"Simmons does not effect the 6ers offense"

???

There were 4 other Jazz players in double figures including 2 with 20. Mitchell doesn’t carry the entire offence, stop.

Mitchell is the only guy on that Jazz team who can beat his defender and create a shot for himself or someone else consistently. Everything else they run is motion and hand-offs and pick-and-rolls over and over. In the last 5 or 6 minutes of the game, the Jazz give Mitchell the ball and tell him to go make plays to create the offense, whether that means scoring it or setting up other guys.

Mitchell scored 12 of the Jazz's last 14 points and assisted Rudy Gobert for the only other bucket. He did all that in the last 2 minutes of the game and willed the Jazz to get to overtime even when the Spurs were sending two defenders, trapping and hedging towards him. Mitchell is simply carrying a huge offensive load for the Jazz, probably more than any other rookie this year, and that's what other players and coaches are saying about him.

A 21 year-old rookie is being asked to carry a team when it matters most, and most nights he's doing it. You have to say that's remarkable whether you're a Ben Simmons fan, a Jayson Tatum fan, or any other fan.

It IS remarkable. It doesn’t mean he has had a better season than Simmons - that’s all.

[clyde21]

Those numbers are eerily similar to Allen Iversons rookie year. As a Sixers fan I can tell you with certainty that this kind of scoring inefficiency and shot chucking will never take you to the promised land.

For DM to truly be an All NBA talent he has to improve his efficiency.

He has the same exact numbers as a rookie as D-Wade (better, actually), so I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

Um, no their numbers aren't even close. Wade also attempted less than 1 three a game. Certainly something DM isn't imitating. DM attempts six a game, Iverson attempted 6 a game as a rookie.

Wade also attempted fewer shots a game. Iverson is much closer to DM volume shooting.

THEIR NUMBERS AREN'T EVEN CLOSE?

Wade: 17/4/5/1.5 on 17.6 PER and 53 TS%
Mitchell: 22/4/4/1.5 on 16.4 PER and 54 TS%

I think it's about time you bow out of this conversation.

[QPR]

In a funny way I think Simmons' ridiculous efficiency and IQ count against him. He is already so good at controlling the tempo of a game and making smart basketball plays that you almost don't notice him, as nothing is forced and everything comes within the flow. You almost can't double/trap him either because he sees things like that so early, and is surrounded by good shooters.

Against the Magic he only took six shots, yet his fingerprints were all over that game.

[Lava Rock Kid]

There were 4 other Jazz players in double figures including 2 with 20. Mitchell doesn’t carry the entire offence, stop.

Really? Who else do they rely on offensively? Their second leading scorer is in Cleveland. Their third leading scorer is Rudy Gobert who's not exactly an offensive juggernaut and missed half the season to boot. Who's left? Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio?

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense scheme. He goes into every game as the opposing defense's primary focus, and is dropping 22/5/5/2 per 36 on 17 PER and a 55 TS% as a true rookie.

Give me a break. He's **** legit and you trying to downplay him by mentioning how many shots he missed is just you being salty AF.

Those numbers are eerily similar to Allen Iversons rookie year. As a Sixers fan I can tell you with certainty that this kind of scoring inefficiency and shot chucking will never take you to the promised land.

For DM to truly be an All NBA talent he has to improve his efficiency.

Well the sixer made the finals. They didn’t have much around them.

[Catchall]

How about everyone just shut up a minute and watch this tape...

Watch on YouTube

[bebopdeluxe]

Really? Who else do they rely on offensively? Their second leading scorer is in Cleveland. Their third leading scorer is Rudy Gobert who's not exactly an offensive juggernaut and missed half the season to boot. Who's left? Joe Ingles and Ricky Rubio?

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense scheme. He goes into every game as the opposing defense's primary focus, and is dropping 22/5/5/2 per 36 on 17 PER and a 55 TS% as a true rookie.

Give me a break. He's **** legit and you trying to downplay him by mentioning how many shots he missed is just you being salty AF.

As I said before I was just looking at it the same way Simmons gets looked at by some posters in this thread.

Simmons had a triple double with 15 assists and 0 turnovers the other day but people were going at him for only scoring 11 points.

I actually like Mitchell, he’s going to be a stud going forward.

Simmons has taken ZERO 3s this year. That's the issue that some posters here have. The vast majority of his shots are within 10 feet. Mitchell takes a wider variety of shots at much longer distances, so your comparison and in turn criticism of Mitchell's shooting rings hollow.

Who the f cares if Simmons hasn’t taken any 3’s this year? Huh? Is that some kind of “requirement”?

If that is legitimately an “issue” with some posters - would that be the same posters, by the way that slobber all over the 4-for-13, 1-for-10 from 3 guy? - that is freaking classic.

Yeah...let’s rag on Simmons because he won’t inefficiently jack up some 3’s...like Mitchell does.



And WHO THE F cares that Mitchell “takes a wider variety” of shots if he is an inefficient gunner? Huh? Does it mean ANYTHING to Mitchell fanboys that in spite of Mitchell’s “wider variety of shots”, Simmons has a higher eFG% - in addition to EVERTHING ELSE THAT HE DOES at a higher level than Mitchell?

Even in the ONE AREA where Mitchell is “better” - scoring the ball - Simmons is more efficient. Think about that.

[Tabasco]

As I said before I was just looking at it the same way Simmons gets looked at by some posters in this thread.

Simmons had a triple double with 15 assists and 0 turnovers the other day but people were going at him for only scoring 11 points.

I actually like Mitchell, he’s going to be a stud going forward.

Simmons has taken ZERO 3s this year. That's the issue that some posters here have. The vast majority of his shots are within 10 feet. Mitchell takes a wider variety of shots at much longer distances, so your comparison and in turn criticism of Mitchell's shooting rings hollow.

Who the f cares if Simmons hasn’t taken any 3’s this year? Huh? Is that some kind of “requirement”?

If that is legitimately an “issue” with some posters - would that be the same posters, by the way that slobber all over the 4-for-13, 1-for-10 from 3 guy? - that is freaking classic.

Yeah...let’s rag on Simmons because he won’t inefficiently jack up some 3’s...like Mitchell does.



And WHO THE F cares that Mitchell “takes a wider variety” of shots if he is an inefficient gunner? Huh? Does it mean ANYTHING to Mitchell fanboys that in spite of Mitchell’s “wider variety of shots”, Simmons has a higher eFG% - in addition to EVERTHING ELSE THAT HE DOES at a higher level than Mitchell?

Even in the ONE AREA where Mitchell is “better” - scoring the ball - Simmons is more efficient. Think about that.

Calm down man. It's really not that big a deal.

[clyde21]

As I said before I was just looking at it the same way Simmons gets looked at by some posters in this thread.

Simmons had a triple double with 15 assists and 0 turnovers the other day but people were going at him for only scoring 11 points.

I actually like Mitchell, he’s going to be a stud going forward.

Simmons has taken ZERO 3s this year. That's the issue that some posters here have. The vast majority of his shots are within 10 feet. Mitchell takes a wider variety of shots at much longer distances, so your comparison and in turn criticism of Mitchell's shooting rings hollow.

Who the f cares if Simmons hasn’t taken any 3’s this year? Huh? Is that some kind of “requirement”?

If that is legitimately an “issue” with some posters - would that be the same posters, by the way that slobber all over the 4-for-13, 1-for-10 from 3 guy? - that is freaking classic.

Yeah...let’s rag on Simmons because he won’t inefficiently jack up some 3’s...like Mitchell does.



And WHO THE F cares that Mitchell “takes a wider variety” of shots if he is an inefficient gunner? Huh? Does it mean ANYTHING to Mitchell fanboys that in spite of Mitchell’s “wider variety of shots”, Simmons has a higher eFG% - in addition to EVERTHING ELSE THAT HE DOES at a higher level than Mitchell?

Even in the ONE AREA where Mitchell is “better” - scoring the ball - Simmons is more efficient. Think about that.

Yhea, it's obvious that a legitimate discussion won't be had here. You're a Philly fan that's way too emotionally invested in this race, so I'll let you have it big guy.

[Ugly0598]

Can somebody be legit and be a chucker at the same time? Because Mitchell is both.

Who cares if a guy is a gunner? The biggest chucker in the league the past 5 years is Russell Westbrook and he's beloved.

The Mitchell/Simmons arguments might be the most unbearable **** to read on this forum.

[nurseryc]

Mitchell is putting up big scoring games however the fact remains that as a rookie he is an extremely inefficient high volume shooter. Will this be acceptable in year 2 if he continues chucking up so many shots at such poor percentages?