ECSF: P1 | (2) Boston Celtics vs Philadelphia 76ers (3) | BOS 1-0

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Series Prediction

Celtics in 4
10
3%
Celtics in 5
14
4%
Celtics in 6
35
11%
Celtics in 7
70
22%
76ers in 4
17
5%
76ers in 5
54
17%
76ers in 6
108
33%
76ers in 7
17
5%
 
Total votes: 325

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Post#2121 » by dcstanley » Tue May 1, 2018 10:05 am

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Splashin wrote:It's sad Celtics are playing this damn well so banged up. They'd be finals bound with just Kyrie healthy. If they have both Irving and Hayward with all the kids healthy next year I can only imagine the awesome battles they'll have with Philly. Good time to be an NBA fan.


Meh, a lot of the good play in Kyrie’s absence has been at PG. As well as Rozier has played, its entirely possible that Boston would have gotten eliminated by the Bucks if they had Kyrie starting instead.

Celtics win the Bucks series pretty comfortably if Kyrie's healthy. Kyrie's shot-making ability, playmaking ability, and gravity would immediately alleviate much of the team's offensive woes. As well as Rozier's played, his series is getting a tad overrated: he had four games where he shot the ball poorly and scored under 20 points. I think one can reasonably expect Kyrie to score the ball more efficiently on a higher volume.
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Post#2122 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue May 1, 2018 10:14 am

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kuclas wrote:Celtics hit their 3s. Close to 50%? Sixers didn’t. Sixers shot 19%? That’s basically the ball game. If Celtics keep hitting at a 50% clip from 3. Hats off to them.

Yes. Celtics guard the 3 the best in the league. Stevens made sacrifice to let embiid get his 2 points over letting sixers defenders get open for 3s. That works as long as Celtics are scoring on offense.

Sixers have to make changes on defense. I don’t think saric or Simmons are strong enough to guard horford (when baynes is guarding embiid). Ersan should be in the lineup with Horford/baynes.

Simmons on Rozier. Covington on tatum. I’d sacrifice and have reddick on hobbled Jaylen brown until he proves he can move on hamstring.

Just keep pounding the ball into the post to embiid. Baynes will get in foul trouble real quick. That’s something Stevens has to readjust to. Cause Stevens does not want Al Horford guarding embiid long term. Too much energy will be expended on Horford.


a lot of the celtics open 3s were actually a product of Embiid's inability or unwillingness to get out to the three point line. His RPM was -6 which means he wasn't as bad as others on D and of course he was awesome on the offensive end, but if you go through celtics buckets again, you'll see that they put Embiid in a lot of pick n pops and pick n rolls that created open looks for the Cs. But I still have to see the sixers adjustments


If you look at the video of Al Horford highlights from the game, on many of the plays Embiid is standing nearby, not doing much, looking bewildered. Fixing that is presumably at or near the top of Brown's coaching to-do list.
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Post#2123 » by lambchop » Tue May 1, 2018 10:17 am

RakimAbdulJabar wrote:I'm sticking with my preseason prediction of Celtics vs Rockets in the finals.

While it's never a good idea to try and judge any series off 1 game, there was a lot to like if you're a Boston fan from game 1

Firstly no matter what the score was throughout the game, it didn't really ever look like the Celtics were going to lose. The consistency of playing a game 7 vs sitting a number of days definitely showed from the outset. Some of that is Bostons defense which is an upgrade as opposed to facing the Heat but the Sixers looked off from the start.

They weren't terrible other than the 3 point shooting but they just didn't look in synch out there compared to how they were playing against the Heat. Simmons inability to knock down free throws at a respectable rate is going to be a factor and the main reason why I want the Celtics to advance and face the Cavs.

Both teams play good D, both have numerous 3 point shooters and bigs that can spread the floor as well as home court advantage over the Cavs, but with the ball in his hands so often, I feel like Simmons is going to be a liability if they choose to send him to the line and I don't think the Sixers have the composure that the Celtics have in facing a Lebron lead team.

While the Celtics will still rely heavily on young guys like Tatum, Brown and Rozier, they do have guys like Horford, Smart and Morris who are unlikely to be phased by the challenge

The Celtics deserve credit for their ability to step up as a team and the coaching staff deserve credit for putting a system in place that you could be without Irving and Brown and have guys step in and continue to play such a high level of basketball. When you factor in Hayward missing the entire season and Smart playing through obvious pain, this team if healthy is a testament to Ainge's vision and he deserves a lot of credit for what he's been able to do while so many others have failed spectacularly, and I say that as someone who doesn't like Ainge.

The icing on the cake for Ainge and the Celtics is watching Tatum out there playing like an Allstar while Fultz sits on the bench. That doesn't mean Fultz's career is over, but right now you're ecstatic with that trade if you're Boston and kicking yourself if you're the Sixers. For all the talk of Tatum potentially being phased by the moment, I haven't seen any signs of it, he doesn't look like he's about to slow down either. I'm sure the Sixers will bounce back, and they're definitely a better team than the Bucks, but I don't think this one is going 7, sticking with Celtics in 5 or 6

Finally how about Rozier, the kid came out and played as perfect a game as you would want for someone having to fill in for one of the best and most creative scoring guards in the league. He won't do that every game but again another guy who simply isn't afraid of the moment and has that confidence that can be misguided if it's not controlled but Stevens seems to have him playing within the system as opposed to just Crawfording his way out there. I'm happy for him, but sad that it's now too late to 'steal' him off the Celtics


+1. High quality objective post.
A matchup with the Cavs would be very interesting. I'd still favor Lebron in that matchup - not because he's "the goat". I actually have no issue with guys even ranking him outside of the top 50 - but mainly because of lebron's ability to control the flow of a game. He's going to be on the court for 44 to 46 mins. In that span he is going to control almost every single one of his teams possessions and leave "nothing" to chance. Yep, watching these games I can understand why kyrie wanted out. On defense he is going to call the opponents plays in an effort to help his team, while he himself will play atrocious D for stretches. So yea, he is gonna have his handwriting all over the game.

But here's the difference between east and west. When guys say the raptors or celtics are gonna beat lebron, their arguments are usually centered around how valfleet and siakam and morris and rozier and larkin etc. are going to be too much to handle.
However, when they talk about the west, the arguments are more about how a 73-9 team with a unanimous mvp that added another mvp in his prime will be too much or about how a perennial mvp candidate in harden now has an amazing point guard in cp3 to bolster his team led by a revolutionary coach in d'antoni and good role players. But they never name pj tucker or david west etc.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if TOR proves me wrong starting tonight. :D
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Post#2124 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue May 1, 2018 10:20 am

kuclas wrote:Celtics hit their 3s. Close to 50%? Sixers didn’t. Sixers shot 19%? That’s basically the ball game. If Celtics keep hitting at a 50% clip from 3. Hats off to them.

Yes. Celtics guard the 3 the best in the league. Stevens made sacrifice to let embiid get his 2 points over letting sixers defenders get open for 3s. That works as long as Celtics are scoring on offense.

Sixers have to make changes on defense. I don’t think saric or Simmons are strong enough to guard horford (when baynes is guarding embiid). Ersan should be in the lineup with Horford/baynes.

Simmons on Rozier. Covington on tatum. I’d sacrifice and have reddick on hobbled Jaylen brown until he proves he can move on hamstring.

Just keep pounding the ball into the post to embiid. Baynes will get in foul trouble real quick. That’s something Stevens has to readjust to. Cause Stevens does not want Al Horford guarding embiid long term. Too much energy will be expended on Horford.


Stevens was loud and clear he ain't adjusting anything. He said that the team isn't going to allow 3s or try to limit them as much as possible. Simmons will not be able to hang with Rozier, Covington played Tatum in game 1 to no avail. Brown might be okay as the reports were that he was trying to convince the coaching staff to play.

Ilyasova and Belinelli both looked like chairs on defense. ilyasova isn't going to guard Horford any better .

And your defense needs to improve for you to win. If the 3s are wide open 80% of the time, there's a likelihood that the C's will make them.

You're underrating how good Smart/Rozier/Brown are defending the 3 point line. Again we're the best team defending the point line in the league this season(and the best defense).
Good assessment:

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Post#2125 » by Slello17 » Tue May 1, 2018 10:22 am

I love what Stevens is doing with his big men. Making them space the floor so that embiid’s defensive impact can be diminished.

Smart is just a weird player. He takes bad shots (one possession he took a three at the beginning of the shot clock, his teammate took the rebound passed him the ball and he automatically shot another three) that he can’t make most of the time but he is so valuable with his defense and hustle.
I’m also really impressed by semi’s defense.

If the Sixers do not find a way to defend the paint better they will be in trouble.
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Post#2126 » by sunshinekids99 » Tue May 1, 2018 10:29 am

Slello17 wrote:I love what Stevens is doing with his big men. Making them space the floor so that embiid’s defensive impact can be diminished.

Smart is just a weird player. He takes bad shots (one possession he took a three at the beginning of the shot clock, his teammate took the rebound passed him the ball and he automatically shot another three) that he can’t make most of the time but he is so valuable with his defense and hustle.
I’m also really impressed by semi’s defense.

If the Sixers do not find a way to defend the paint better they will be in trouble.


Yes the maddening game of Smart. Huge energy guy for the team, he's the Celtics bully on the court. He just needs to learn he can't shoot.
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Post#2127 » by RakimAbdulJabar » Tue May 1, 2018 10:44 am

lambchop wrote:
RakimAbdulJabar wrote:I'm sticking with my preseason prediction of Celtics vs Rockets in the finals.

While it's never a good idea to try and judge any series off 1 game, there was a lot to like if you're a Boston fan from game 1

Firstly no matter what the score was throughout the game, it didn't really ever look like the Celtics were going to lose. The consistency of playing a game 7 vs sitting a number of days definitely showed from the outset. Some of that is Bostons defense which is an upgrade as opposed to facing the Heat but the Sixers looked off from the start.

They weren't terrible other than the 3 point shooting but they just didn't look in synch out there compared to how they were playing against the Heat. Simmons inability to knock down free throws at a respectable rate is going to be a factor and the main reason why I want the Celtics to advance and face the Cavs.

Both teams play good D, both have numerous 3 point shooters and bigs that can spread the floor as well as home court advantage over the Cavs, but with the ball in his hands so often, I feel like Simmons is going to be a liability if they choose to send him to the line and I don't think the Sixers have the composure that the Celtics have in facing a Lebron lead team.

While the Celtics will still rely heavily on young guys like Tatum, Brown and Rozier, they do have guys like Horford, Smart and Morris who are unlikely to be phased by the challenge

The Celtics deserve credit for their ability to step up as a team and the coaching staff deserve credit for putting a system in place that you could be without Irving and Brown and have guys step in and continue to play such a high level of basketball. When you factor in Hayward missing the entire season and Smart playing through obvious pain, this team if healthy is a testament to Ainge's vision and he deserves a lot of credit for what he's been able to do while so many others have failed spectacularly, and I say that as someone who doesn't like Ainge.

The icing on the cake for Ainge and the Celtics is watching Tatum out there playing like an Allstar while Fultz sits on the bench. That doesn't mean Fultz's career is over, but right now you're ecstatic with that trade if you're Boston and kicking yourself if you're the Sixers. For all the talk of Tatum potentially being phased by the moment, I haven't seen any signs of it, he doesn't look like he's about to slow down either. I'm sure the Sixers will bounce back, and they're definitely a better team than the Bucks, but I don't think this one is going 7, sticking with Celtics in 5 or 6

Finally how about Rozier, the kid came out and played as perfect a game as you would want for someone having to fill in for one of the best and most creative scoring guards in the league. He won't do that every game but again another guy who simply isn't afraid of the moment and has that confidence that can be misguided if it's not controlled but Stevens seems to have him playing within the system as opposed to just Crawfording his way out there. I'm happy for him, but sad that it's now too late to 'steal' him off the Celtics


+1. High quality objective post.
A matchup with the Cavs would be very interesting. I'd still favor Lebron in that matchup - not because he's "the goat". I actually have no issue with guys even ranking him outside of the top 50 - but mainly because of lebron's ability to control the flow of a game. He's going to be on the court for 44 to 46 mins. In that span he is going to control almost every single one of his teams possessions and leave "nothing" to chance. Yep, watching these games I can understand why kyrie wanted out. On defense he is going to call the opponents plays in an effort to help his team, while he himself will play atrocious D for stretches. So yea, he is gonna have his handwriting all over the game.

But here's the difference between east and west. When guys say the raptors or celtics are gonna beat lebron, their arguments are usually centered around how valfleet and siakam and morris and rozier and larkin etc. are going to be too much to handle.
However, when they talk about the west, the arguments are more about how a 73-9 team with a unanimous mvp that added another mvp in his prime will be too much or about how a perennial mvp candidate in harden now has an amazing point guard in cp3 to bolster his team led by a revolutionary coach in d'antoni and good role players. But they never name pj tucker or david west etc.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if TOR proves me wrong starting tonight. :D


For me it's all about depth, no matter the matchup of the possible options I think the team with Lebron has to be considered the favourites, but as far as the things you need to beat the Cavs the Celtics are the team I'd put money on.

Defense: No question they're one of the better defense teams in the league, I have no idea what the numbers say but I feel like they do a good job of rotating to 3 point shooters which is crucial when playing a Lebron team, since Korver and JR Smith are for the most part only going to hurt you from there. While Love has more of an offensive repertoire than those 2 he does also rely on 3's a fair bit

As far as defense on James, unless you have a prime Leonard you're not going to stick one guy on him and expect great results. But if Brown is healthy he at least has great athleticism and young legs to be somewhat disruptive while guys like Smart, Tatum and Rozier are a threat to pick off the passing lanes/cross court passes

Rebounding and 3 point shooting: Celtics have the advantage in both although neither are huge advantages

Overall from the 4 remaining teams I wouldn't really be shocked to see any of them advance and don't give any of them a chance against the Western champ but I think even without Irving the Celtics just have so many guys stepping up that they are the best chance to be the team to finally take down the Cavs
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Post#2128 » by OGLife » Tue May 1, 2018 11:01 am

The Sixers should watch film of the Cavs in the 2016 finals.
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Post#2129 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue May 1, 2018 11:40 am

Larkin's flop was one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in a playoff game.
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Post#2130 » by Asian Celtic » Tue May 1, 2018 11:43 am

● The 76ers are probably not gonna shoot that cold from 3 the whole series, but they're probably not gonna shoot 35 FTA per game as well.

●The Celtics are probably not gonna be that hot from 3 the whole series, but with stevens you can't predict how he'll attack the 76ers as much because he has another player to play with.

● Rebounding, set plays, transition plan is probably not gonna be standard for both teams. It's a game of adjustments.

●Stevens showed his card for game 1 and won. Now Brett brown has data, time for the 76er coach to make adjustments and try to win.

●I'm glad i've read the game thread without much referee bias/complaints. Hoping it will continue this way.

●Embiid is a problem.

●Game 1 showed what the Celtics can do, what the 76ers need to improve on. IMO it won't be the same for game 2. It's a game of adjustments.

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Post#2131 » by binjumper » Tue May 1, 2018 11:45 am

Man Boston is a good team. Brad Stevens should be COY.
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Post#2132 » by eyeatoma » Tue May 1, 2018 11:53 am

Asian Celtic wrote:● The 76ers are probably not gonna shoot that cold from 3 the whole series, but they're probably not gonna shoot 35 FTA per game as well.

●The Celtics are probably not gonna be that hot from 3 the whole series, but with stevens you can't predict how he'll attack the 76ers as much because he has another player to play with.

● Rebounding, set plays, transition plan is probably not gonna be standard for both teams. It's a game of adjustments.

●Stevens showed his card for game 1 and won. Now Brett brown has data, time for the 76er coach to make adjustments and try to win.

●I'm glad i've read the game thread without much referee bias/complaints. Hoping it will continue this way.

●Embiid is a problem.

●Game 1 showed what the Celtics can do, what the 76ers need to improve on. IMO it won't be the same for game 2. It's a game of adjustments.

Let's have fun folks.


Great post man, hats off to this objective analysis!
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Post#2133 » by Asian Celtic » Tue May 1, 2018 11:58 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Asian Celtic wrote:● The 76ers are probably not gonna shoot that cold from 3 the whole series, but they're probably not gonna shoot 35 FTA per game as well.

●The Celtics are probably not gonna be that hot from 3 the whole series, but with stevens you can't predict how he'll attack the 76ers as much because he has another player to play with.

● Rebounding, set plays, transition plan is probably not gonna be standard for both teams. It's a game of adjustments.

●Stevens showed his card for game 1 and won. Now Brett brown has data, time for the 76er coach to make adjustments and try to win.

●I'm glad i've read the game thread without much referee bias/complaints. Hoping it will continue this way.

●Embiid is a problem.

●Game 1 showed what the Celtics can do, what the 76ers need to improve on. IMO it won't be the same for game 2. It's a game of adjustments.

Let's have fun folks.


Great post man, hats off to this objective analysis!


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Post#2134 » by Kobeshow » Tue May 1, 2018 11:59 am

Brad Stevens = Best coach in the NBA
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Post#2135 » by ItsMyPotPie » Tue May 1, 2018 12:06 pm

Rewatching this game made me realize that Brian and McHale are the best TNT commentary duo
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Post#2136 » by Madhouse » Tue May 1, 2018 12:06 pm

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mithrandir17 wrote:That's petty on Rozier's side. He already eliminated Bledsoe and he's still not done trolling? He should be concerned with the sixers now and forget what happened on the last series.

He will probably shoot 4-16 today


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I was joking. But great day for Terry. I actually predicted him to have a breakout playoffs before game 1 in the Bucks series thread.
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Post#2137 » by Madhouse » Tue May 1, 2018 12:09 pm

Hats of to the Celtics. They were much better and actually hit their shots.

76ers really did not do anything well except Embiid posting up. Terrible performance. Will be interesting how game 2 unfolds. Has the making of a great series now with Brown also coming back.
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Post#2138 » by kuclas » Tue May 1, 2018 12:15 pm

Honestly. The more I think about it. With Boston guarding the 3 point shooters. Brett Brown has nothing to lose with putting Fultz back in to spell Simmons for a break. Fultz can break down a defense and has shown me enough to take it to the rim even with no jump shot. Sixers don’t have anyone who can break a defender off the dribble in the half court game. Put Fultz back in for 5 min end of the 1st quarter beginning of the second quarter.
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Post#2139 » by gpoon » Tue May 1, 2018 12:17 pm

imagine 76ers took Tatum instead of Fultz... Man the Celtics do look good tho, Hats off to Stevens and what he has done with what he has and the next man stepping up...
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Post#2140 » by CeltsFlow » Tue May 1, 2018 12:20 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Wow I was so wrong about this series being a sweep.

Stevens game plan was impeccable.

Still expect the Sixers to win, but it will be difficult if they play this kind of terrible defense. Not sure what they were thinking.


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