German Newspaper: Dirk defeats ghetto basketball

[garrick]

Nazi newspaper? lol

[doctorfunk]

The writer should have named his article "Dirk defeats Streetball." Would have been less controversial.

that's why they probably made this title and well we are talking about it, so successful troll is successful

anyway why people still bash article, after numerous German speakers read it and say there's nothing racist about it?

ps. Europe is idd more racially integrated compared to USA, all my friends/family who are living/lived there say that, and it is also what so many posters here say. Striking to me is high level of PC in USA, something you don't see in Europe, while the level of interracial integration & amount of marriages/friendships is significantly higher in Europe. To me PC in USA came to a point it's (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and annoying. Like word oriental or ghetto is considered racist wtf.

[BubbaTee]

We see this type of racism in America too. It's usually more hidden though.

Try being neither white, black, or hispanic and see if you can survive without being somewhat insane living in America.

Asians in America are insane?

[Knicker23]

Skimmed through it - but the connection of the ghetto basketball scene prior to the dress code enforcement, and it's rap-like connotation seems true. As much as I don't like Stern, I'm glad he cleaned that **** up. Awful look for a professional sports league.

I think a lot of that also has to do with the players cleaning up their image for their own sake. See: James. Thugged out from head to toe in his early years, baggy this big chain that, slang this inarticulate that. Now he's like a different person.. Some of that comes with growing older/money, but most no doubt is the image.

And that is an 'interesting' pov to have from this, a lot of people had Dirk v the 3, loved one v hated, but not so much white v black.

[BubbaTee]

The difference is it's hidden in the USA but I think overall France is more integrated .

No.

15% of American marriages in 2008 were interracial/inter-ethnic (I used inter-ethnic because the US govt counts Latinos as white).

I question if France even has 15% ethnic/racial minorities in its population, let alone having all 15% of marriages being interracial/inter-ethnic marriage. France has immigrants, but they are mostly other European caucasians: Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Greek, and Polish.

Heck, less than 5 years ago France was still having race riots. This year they implemented a xenophobic burqa ban, part of Sarkozy's attempt to siphon off racist/xenophobic votes that were tilting towards Le Pen.

France also have mass deportations of Roma, even ones in the country legally. They literally round minorities up and kick them out of the country, for no reason other than they are minorities the French have declared undesirable. It's what the US was doing with Chinese immigrants... 100 years ago.

Sarkozy has even proposed stripping non-white Frenchmen of their citizenship if they are convicted of a crime. But white French criminals face no such loss of citizenship.

[doctorfunk]

The difference is it's hidden in the USA but I think overall France is more integrated .

No.

15% of American marriages in 2008 were interracial/inter-ethnic (I used inter-ethnic because the US govt counts Latinos as white).

I question if France even has 15% ethnic/racial minorities in its population, let alone having all 15% of marriages being interracial/inter-ethnic marriage. France has immigrants, but they are mostly other European caucasians: Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Greek, and Polish.

Heck, less than 5 years ago France was still having race riots. This year they implemented a xenophobic burqa ban, part of Sarkozy's attempt to siphon off racist/xenophobic votes that were tilting towards Le Pen.

France also have mass deportations of Roma, even ones in the country legally. They literally round minorities up and kick them out of the country, for no reason other than they are minorities the French have declared undesirable. It's what the US was doing with Chinese immigrants... 100 years ago.

Sarkozy has even proposed stripping non-white Frenchmen of their citizenship if they are convicted of a crime. But white French criminals face no such loss of citizenship.

It were ethnic riots but it only happened in France, so it's poor indicator for rest of Europe.

It is for foreign born citizens despite ethnicity/skin color, not that I agree but just to be more precise. But I see the point if you are granted french citizenship and come there to steal or be involved in criminal activity why wouldn't they throw you out(quite convenient for the their government)? Anyway France is also quite **** up with all this banning of religion symbols it's not very tolerant to me, quite on the contrary. I guess it's fair to say France has most serious ethnic problems in Europe, so I don't think it's a good example for the rest of Europe.

[WhateverBro]

Skimmed through it - but the connection of the ghetto basketball scene prior to the dress code enforcement, and it's rap-like connotation seems true. As much as I don't like Stern, I'm glad he cleaned that **** up. Awful look for a professional sports league.

I think a lot of that also has to do with the players cleaning up their image for their own sake. See: James. Thugged out from head to toe in his early years, baggy this big chain that, slang this inarticulate that. Now he's like a different person.. Some of that comes with growing older/money, but most no doubt is the image.

And that is an 'interesting' pov to have from this, a lot of people had Dirk v the 3, loved one v hated, but not so much white v black.

I still fail to see the the problem with baggy pants and big chains if that's your preference. I just think it's stupid to judge someone by the way they dress or talk. Slang for example, is one of the most creative ways to develop a language and there is no evidence that using slang is in any form negative (I recently did a study about this and have also read a lot of other studies which proves that slang in general is nothing but positive).

[Coach_McGuirk]

Skimmed through it - but the connection of the ghetto basketball scene prior to the dress code enforcement, and it's rap-like connotation seems true. As much as I don't like Stern, I'm glad he cleaned that **** up. Awful look for a professional sports league.

I think a lot of that also has to do with the players cleaning up their image for their own sake. See: James. Thugged out from head to toe in his early years, baggy this big chain that, slang this inarticulate that. Now he's like a different person.. Some of that comes with growing older/money, but most no doubt is the image.

And that is an 'interesting' pov to have from this, a lot of people had Dirk v the 3, loved one v hated, but not so much white v black.

I still fail to see the the problem with baggy pants and big chains if that's your preference. I just think it's stupid to judge someone by the way they dress or talk. Slang for example, is one of the most creative ways to develop a language and there is no evidence that using slang is in any form negative (I recently did a study about this and have also read a lot of other studies which proves that slang in general is nothing but positive).

Well try and wear that to a job interview and say wearing this is your preference. It's more about being professional than style preference. The NBA is a business that needs to sell itself to advertisers and therefor the employees should look professional.

[PowerSteele]

The problem with this article is the dumb use of the word "ghetto", this connection to the rap scene and the relation to Foxsports and race discussion. The article is about the clash of systems in basketball, the headline above the headline is "Kampf der Systeme" which means the aforementioned. The author describes the problems for the league with players like Iverson and the perception of - the mostly white - NBA audience. But I don't like the article at all because I feel like the author doesn't know anything about basketball and the NBA....he just sees LeBron as the "bad guy" and relates that to the Iverson-type and the discussion at this time.

[AfricanSensation]

The funny thing is, the Mavs are much more ghetto! I mean Stevenson is more ghetto than the entire Heat team, Bosh, Wade, Hasle, James Johnson, come on now. Hell even Terry is more ghetto than any Heat player. Hell Bryan Cardinal is more ghetto than Bosh lol

They just see a team lead by a white star vs a team lead by black ones, and conclude that it's the victory of good vs evil, culture vs ghetto attitude, fundamental vs And one ball...
I mean is there more And one style players than Terry, Barrea and Matrix? Seriouly? lol

[AfricanSensation]

The writer should have named his article "Dirk defeats Streetball." Would have been less controversial.

And even that is not true. Barrea, Terry played street one on one ball all series and it worked!
The Mavs did not win with amazing passing, they scored more one the break thanks to all the Miami TOs and when their PGs attacked Miami inside with no true Center to help and defend the paint.

The best display of team ball we saw the entire series was the Lebron tripple double game when he dished it to Haslem inside to no end.

Carlisle went zone, Lebron and Spo could not adjust, and Miami's offence was reduced to Wade isos, that's how the series was won, no need to extrapolate things and try to say that you hate Lebron because he plays one on one is getho blablabla because none of that is true.

The man may be a douche but he still plays team ball, hell I thought the biggerst complaint was that he was too passive when as a top player he should have been aggressive and force the issue instead of passing the ball around?

[mysticbb]

The problem with this article is the dumb use of the word "ghetto", this connection to the rap scene and the relation to Foxsports and race discussion.

This is indeed the problem. The article is poorly researched and is using Bill Reiter's articles on foxsports.com as the main source. Obviously when a guy is using a bad source he will come up with the bad article. But even with the poor choice of words in the end this article is critizing the latent racism in the U.S., which lead to things like the dress code or that a lot of people wanted to see the Mavericks win.

[Laimbeer]

I'm surprised it took this long, to be honest.

They're just saying what parts of white america is thinking.

Yep. I started a thread regarding the racial element in the criticism of the Heat and glorification of Dirk and the angry reaction was in the "thou doth protest too much" category.

[Heat_team02]

I think we can all agree that the title was created to draw attention & did it ever.

Instead of everyone talking about basketball which is what the article should have accomplished, instead we're talking about black/Jewish racism in Europe/Germany.

[Tave]

different countries have different views, it's a big world out there. Not everyone is going to think like Americans.

Europeans can be incredibly racist. Look no further than the practice of throwing bananas at black soccer players.

It's a serious problem in European society than no one wants to face, but all in all it's pretty disgusting. Especially coming from cultures that like to think of themselves as more civilized than the rest of the world.

[doctorfunk]

I know USA likes to think of themselves as a country of freedom and all that, but racism in Europe is probably not a bigger issue than in USA.

[CircleCitysportsfan]

The rest of the title was left off, it read "but what took so long"

[WhateverBro]

Well try and wear that to a job interview and say wearing this is your preference. It's more about being professional than style preference. The NBA is a business that needs to sell itself to advertisers and therefor the employees should look professional.

Just because you wouldn't get the job doesn't mean that the reasoning behind it isn't stupid.

[Masigond]

Europeans can be incredibly racist. Look no further than the practice of throwing bananas at black soccer players.

Practice? It's not that common, and those who do so are a small minority given that they are a couple of hundreds fans (max!) among 20.000 to 80.000. Take a hundred people of whatever nation and you'll find at least 1-5 idiots and some inane racists among them.

It's the same with nazi marches in Germany: Those are 20-250 people and they get a lot of attention by German and foreign media. The fact that there always are 10 times more counterprotesters (so much for not "facing the problem") is not that flashy a headline... So please don't take minorities as an example for everyone. I really get tired of statements like your's.

[sisibilio]

Europeans can be incredibly racist. Look no further than the practice of throwing bananas at black soccer players.

I used to be a soccer fan back in the day and in the thousands games i watched guess what, i never saw any banana thrown to a black player.
I saw one head of a roasted pig thrown to a white portuguese player though. Oranges, ham sandwitches, bottles of water or sunflower seeds yea, but never a banana, that must be a conspiracy.