Josh Smith and Monta Ellis got screwed! (again...)

[og15]

All the blame should go to David Stern for these snubs. If he didn't rush the All-Star voting this year, it would've given voters and coaches a clearer picture on who deserved to be there and who didn't.

Take Paul Pierce for instance. The week that he got into the All-Star game was right after a week where he played excellent and won a Player of the Week award. Had he been given another few weeks to prove his worth he may not have made it. Same goes for Rondo, who was injured for a good chunk of the season and didn't get a chance to make a case.

If there was ever an All-Star vote to put an asterisk next to, it would be this one.

Fan votes would not have changed with more time, the fans vote for the same people every year with minimal changes. Why would the coaches need more time? They should know what players are deserving based on their vast amount of knowledge and experience.

You're just trying to find a reason to put something on David Stern

[King Of The 4th]

All the blame should go to David Stern for these snubs. If he didn't rush the All-Star voting this year, it would've given voters and coaches a clearer picture on who deserved to be there and who didn't.

Take Paul Pierce for instance. The week that he got into the All-Star game was right after a week where he played excellent and won a Player of the Week award. Had he been given another few weeks to prove his worth he may not have made it. Same goes for Rondo, who was injured for a good chunk of the season and didn't get a chance to make a case.

If there was ever an All-Star vote to put an asterisk next to, it would be this one.

Fan votes would not have changed with more time, the fans vote for the same people every year with minimal changes. Why would the coaches need more time? They should know what players are deserving based on their vast amount of knowledge and experience.

You're just trying to find a reason to put something on David Stern

How are fans/coaches supposed to evaluate who deserves to be in the All-Star game after 11 games? Some teams didn't even get to play more than 5 games by that point. It's impossible to differentiate between a stretch of good games and a trend within that time span. In a normal season, players would have had an extra 20 games or so to make their case.

Also, at me having a personal vendetta against Stern. The decision to not push back the All-Star game was only made out of convenience, not to make sure deserving players made it in. Its just common sense that unfair snubs will happen when the season isn't even given enough time to develop.

[betta1]

Irrelevant. Korver makes more points per shot than pretty much the entire league, so?

You really have no idea how to look at things in context do you?

The real question is how do you quantify context in the case of these obscure stats?

[Blame Rasho]

Is it really that hard for you to conceptualize the notion that Josh Smith isn't an effective at scoring the ball relative to his peers esp if you compare their respective roles? Is it asking too much?

[betta1]

Is it really that hard for you to conceptualize the notion that Josh Smith isn't an effective at scoring the ball relative to his peers esp if you compare their respective roles? Is it asking too much?

Is it asking too much to back up your statements?

Again, give me the player with the higher PER, FG%, and FGM when judging by offensive efficiency.

[dice]

Irrelevant. Korver makes more points per shot than pretty much the entire league, so?

You really have no idea how to look at things in context do you?

The real question is how do you quantify context in the case of these obscure stats?

none of these stats are obscure. TS% is the gold standard of efficiency stats. to be effectively utilized it has to be combined with PPG. in short, it is great to use to compare players who score similar amount of points

[Blame Rasho]

Is it really that hard for you to conceptualize the notion that Josh Smith isn't an effective at scoring the ball relative to his peers esp if you compare their respective roles? Is it asking too much?

Is it asking too much to back up your statements?

Again, give me the player with the higher PER, FG%, and FGM when judging by offensive efficiency.

Off the top of my head I can say Carlos Boozer... your point is?

[Blame Rasho]

none of these stats are obscure. TS% is the gold standard of efficiency stats. to be effectively utilized it has to be combined with PPG. in short, it is great to use to compare players who score similar amount of points

I think he just is arguing for the sake of arguing.

[CB-Blazer]

Is it really that hard for you to conceptualize the notion that Josh Smith isn't an effective at scoring the ball relative to his peers esp if you compare their respective roles? Is it asking too much?

Is it asking too much to back up your statements?

Again, give me the player with the higher PER, FG%, and FGM when judging by offensive efficiency.

So by your logic, Tyson Chandler, Spencer Hawes, Greg Monroe and Andrea Bargnani were much more deserving than Josh Smith, so, why you crying? They were bigger snubs!

[betta1]

Is it really that hard for you to conceptualize the notion that Josh Smith isn't an effective at scoring the ball relative to his peers esp if you compare their respective roles? Is it asking too much?

Is it asking too much to back up your statements?

Again, give me the player with the higher PER, FG%, and FGM when judging by offensive efficiency.

So by your logic, Tyson Chandler, Spencer Hawes, Greg Monroe and Andrea Bargnani were much more deserving than Josh Smith, so, why you crying? They were bigger snubs!

Actually, Smith dwarfs Chandler and Hawes in FGM. So, no there. Bargs and Monroe have solid cases for ASG reserve. I think Bargs was a lock if he were healthy.

[betta1]

Is it really that hard for you to conceptualize the notion that Josh Smith isn't an effective at scoring the ball relative to his peers esp if you compare their respective roles? Is it asking too much?

Is it asking too much to back up your statements?

Again, give me the player with the higher PER, FG%, and FGM when judging by offensive efficiency.

Off the top of my head I can say Carlos Boozer... your point is?

Agreeed. I think Boozer is more deserving than Deng.

[Rapcity_11]

Again, Smith makes more FGs on less attempts than Deng. Simple math.

And by simple math, Smith is a much less efficient offensive player than Deng.

Ortg:
Smith 97
Deng 106

And Kyle Korver is at 122. Gotta love when obscure stats backfire.

Do you know what efficiency means?

[Rapcity_11]

Monta is the 2nd best shooting guard in the league this season so far (especially with Manu and Gordon out). No need for so many PGs making it and Monta being snubbed for the 3rd years in a row. And to claim it's because of the team's record is BS. Didn't stop Griffin or Love from being picked last year. Of course the "great" Warrior fanbase doesn't help.

And don't give me that TS BS. Ellis deserved to make it, again but was snubbed. I think David Lee with his 18.4 ad 9.9 should have been considered too but typical treatment by the league of Warrior players. It looks like it will be two years in a row that I miss the all star game. Not watching it if my teams player are not given fair consideration.

Everything about this post is just

[betta1]

Do you know what efficiency means?

No, please explain it to me?

[Rapcity_11]

Do you know what efficiency means?

No, please explain it to me?

Well that's the only possible explanation for your pathetic series of posts.

[dice]

Again, give me the player with the higher PER, FG%, and FGM when judging by offensive efficiency.

Off the top of my head I can say Carlos Boozer... your point is?

Agreeed. I think Boozer is more deserving than Deng.

alright, this comment cinched it. he's not being serious

[betta1]

Do you know what efficiency means?

No, please explain it to me?

Well that's the only possible explanation for your pathetic series of posts.

Actually, the real explanation is fringe Bulls fans trying to justify Deng getting the nod, while the rest of the basketball world knows he's this year's version of Mo Williams circa 2009.

2012
Deng : Rose

2009
Mo Williams : Lebron

[Rapcity_11]

Actually, the real explanation is fringe Bulls fans trying to justify Deng getting the nod, while the rest of the basketball world knows he's this year's version of Mo Williams circa 2009.

2012
Deng : Rose

2009
Mo Williams : Lebron

1. Not a Bulls fan. Not even close.
2. Smith vs. Deng is very close in my eyes.
3. That isn't an excuse for the crap you've been posting.

[turk3d]

Monta is the 2nd best shooting guard in the league this season so far (especially with Manu and Gordon out). No need for so many PGs making it and Monta being snubbed for the 3rd years in a row. And to claim it's because of the team's record is BS. Didn't stop Griffin or Love from being picked last year. Of course the "great" Warrior fanbase doesn't help.

And don't give me that TS BS. Ellis deserved to make it, again but was snubbed. I think David Lee with his 18.4 ad 9.9 should have been considered too but typical treatment by the league of Warrior players. It looks like it will be two years in a row that I miss the all star game. Not watching it if my teams player are not given fair consideration.

Monta is better than Kobe or Wade, depending on your perspective on the best?

I meant West not league (definitely didn't mean to include Wade in that, he's in the East). My bad.

[turk3d]

Is it really that hard for you to conceptualize the notion that Josh Smith isn't an effective at scoring the ball relative to his peers esp if you compare their respective roles? Is it asking too much?

Is it asking too much to back up your statements?

Again, give me the player with the higher PER, FG%, and FGM when judging by offensive efficiency.

So by your logic, Tyson Chandler, Spencer Hawes, Greg Monroe and Andrea Bargnani were much more deserving than Josh Smith, so, why you crying? They were bigger snubs!

They're all Centers. Smith is a PF. What's the point in comparing him to Centers in this debate? Compare them to other Centers if it's relevant. Or better yet, why not compare Smith to other PFs who made it and see how he stacks up.

Here's what Smith has to say about it (if it hasn't already been posted):

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks ... orts_82038