Rondo is overrated

[StojkoVrankovic]

Saying that if he was the best player on his team with average players surrounding him he wouldn't do well. He is able to what he does because his teammates are great. Paul, Rose, and Williams all started with subpar teams and carried them. Rondo got to fill a role over his career rather than have one forced on him from year one

Rondo is the best player on the team

By how much? How much of his success is BECAUSE of his teammates. He didn't make due with scrubs around him, he was able to develop BECAUSE Kg, Allen and Pierce got all the attention.

If you put him on a scrub team, he wouldn't be able to single handedly change the culture of that team like Chris Paul did with the Clippers or Rose, Williams and Paul did with their original teams when drafted.

Rondo is a system point guard. His flaws aren't abused often because of his teammates, he can't shoot so when he drives he has KG, Allen and Pierce who are AUTOMATIC to kick out to. Meanwhile, other Pgs have inconsistent players surrounding them who don't help carry the burden of the team.

The same PG who is averaging 27 points, 9 assists, 7.7 boards, 2.7 steals, while shooting 55% against the Heat?

Hell of a system

[pross]

Perfect timing of this thread.

Rondo has 8 points, 7 assists, 2 boards, 0 turnovers. Still 8 minutes left in the second quarter

[UnbelievablyRAW]

What a joke.

Watch some games and get back to me. When any of the big 3 don't play, Rondo's stats get BETTER, MUCH BETTER. He becomes more aggresive and takes on a bigger role.

So what, those less than 10 games were he was by himself proves a lot huh? Call me when Rondo carries a team by himself before you put him a in top 3 point guards convo. He's on the original Big Three Allstar team, lots of room for error when you have beasts surrounding you on the court. I wouldn't comment if I haven't seen Rondo play, his game is the way it is because of his teammates.

[pross]

What a joke.

Watch some games and get back to me. When any of the big 3 don't play, Rondo's stats get BETTER, MUCH BETTER. He becomes more aggresive and takes on a bigger role.

So what, those less than 10 games were he was by himself proves a lot huh? Call me when Rondo carries a team by himself before you put him a in top 3 point guards convo. He's on the original Big Three Allstar team, lots of room for error when you have beasts surrounding you on the court. I wouldn't comment if I haven't seen Rondo play, his game is the way it is because of his teammates.

What else is supposed to do? He can't choose his teammates. Even if the sample size is small, he's still done what he needed to do. Guaranteed if he didn't perform in those games, you'd be using the same sample size for your argument.

Westbrook plays with Durant/Harden, Parker plays with TD/Giniboli plus fantastic role players. Why does this argument of teammates only become valid for Rondo?

KG/Allen/Pierce are waaaaaaaaaaaay past their primes, so I don't know where your argument stems from there. Every PG who's stepped in with Rondo out hasn't been close to his stats, so if it's all just a product of the system, surely those guys should be able to fill the void?

[Blkbrd671]

You fail.

[pross]

What a joke.

Watch some games and get back to me. When any of the big 3 don't play, Rondo's stats get BETTER, MUCH BETTER. He becomes more aggresive and takes on a bigger role.

So what, those less than 10 games were he was by himself proves a lot huh? Call me when Rondo carries a team by himself before you put him a in top 3 point guards convo. He's on the original Big Three Allstar team, lots of room for error when you have beasts surrounding you on the court. I wouldn't comment if I haven't seen Rondo play, his game is the way it is because of his teammates.

Watching todays game at all by any chance?

[Darth Celtic]

nobody else in the nba could make that pass for his 9th assist first half.

[Green Apple]

A 44 points game doesn't make you a better player. A point guard who can't even shoot will never be considered to be "great". I'm so sick of the Rondo top-5 pg nonsense.

What makes Rondo so phenomenal is his on court leadership, his direction of the offense. He commands the court like a general in a battlefield. Never flummoxed, never disrupted, he works his wizardry the only way he knows how. He's a unique force of the game unlike any other player in the league, sure there are plenty of brilliant passers like Rondo, plenty of nifty ball handlers, but few, if any, that combine all these elements to such a degree.

Taken from Kentucky several years ago, I don't think many realized the enormous impact this diminutive, yet very lanky, superstar would have in such a short time, Initially his true impact on the court and the Boston Celtics seemed suspect, question arose as to what his impact truly was. Was he a product of his more well known, veteran teammates? People questioned, and they have been answered. His deficiencies may have been somewhat covered up or overshadowed but he made an important impact on a great championship team, and he has grown into something truly special. An spectacular game orchestrator, running the offense incredibly efficiently. His orchestration more than passing, his crafty, methodical mastery on offense is unquestionably one of the greatest things to watch in basketball . Like a true star and competitor he has grown with huge leaps and bounds, silencing many of his doubters and earning a special place in the league.

[Zaschrona]

Overrated? I think he is underrated on this board so much.. The question isn't if he is top 5 PG in NBA but it should be if he is top 5 player in NBA.. I think yes.. LeBron, KD, Kobe, CP3 and then, in my opinion, Rajon

[Green Apple]

A 44 points game doesn't make you a better player. A point guard who can't even shoot will never be considered to be "great". I'm so sick of the Rondo top-5 pg nonsense.

What makes Rondo so phenomenal is his on court leadership, his direction of the offense. He commands the court like a general in a battlefield. Never flummoxed, never disrupted, he works his wizardry the only way he knows how. He's a unique force of the game unlike any other player in the league, sure there are plenty of brilliant passers like Rondo, plenty of nifty ball handlers, but few, if any, that combine all these elements to such a degree.

Taken from Kentucky several years ago, I don't think many realized the enormous impact this diminutive, yet very lanky, superstar would have in such a short time, Initially his true impact on the court and the Boston Celtics seemed suspect, question arose as to what his impact truly was. Was he a product of his more well known, veteran teammates? People questioned, and they have been answered. His deficiencies may have been somewhat covered up or overshadowed but he made an important impact on a great championship team, and he has grown into something truly special. An spectacular game orchestrator, running the offense incredibly efficiently. His orchestration more than passing, his crafty, methodical mastery on offense is unquestionably one of the greatest things to watch in basketball . Like a true star and competitor he has grown with huge leaps and bounds, silencing many of his doubters and earning a special place in the league. Do I think he is overrated? No.

[LaLa]

lol Rondo is more like underrated. Was never mentioned much during the season. Dude controls the pace of the game effortlessly, doesn't need to score to make an impact on the game. He's the best passer in the league that's undeniable.

[sipclip]

Damn this thread keeps getting more and more comical. Anyone that actually watched the celtics knows that the more that is asked of Rondo the better he plays. The most comical post is the idiot that said Rondo would put up around 12 and 8 if he were on the hornets. Put Rondo on any team where he is asked to do more and he will do more. Put him on the hornets and he puts up 17,10 and 5 a game easy and they are fighting for the 8th seed in the west.

[pross]

I just don't get the timing of the thread. Posted when he is arguably playing the best in a series that has Lebron James and Dwayne Wade (debatable on Lebron but definitely better than Wade).

[Jase]

He could make the case for Paul, Parker, Westbrook, Nash, D Williams

You're right.
All knowledgeable fans will make the same case.

Ooooooh. You're one of THOSE trolls. The kind who think that everyone who disagrees with them is ignorant, or uneducated, right?

You could make a case for the listed players, but you could also make a case for Rondo. He deserves to be in the discussion. So, Lakers fan, tell me where anyone said that Rondo's 44 point game made him a "better player," as you said in the OP? It was an impressive game. Plain and simple. And that's what people discuss. Your team would kill to have him.

[King Of The 4th]

He could make the case for Paul, Parker, Westbrook, Nash, D Williams

You're right.
All knowledgeable fans will make the same case.

Ooooooh. You're one of THOSE trolls. The kind who think that everyone who disagrees with them is ignorant, or uneducated, right?

You could make a case for the listed players, but you could also make a case for Rondo. He deserves to be in the discussion. So, Lakers fan, tell me where anyone said that Rondo's 44 point game made him a "better player," as you said in the OP? It was an impressive game. Plain and simple. And that's what people discuss. Your team would kill to have him.

Funny thing is the Lakers could have had him on their team.

Would he be complaining about Rondo's shot if he was a Laker player? Maybe his team would actually still be in the playoffs.

[Green Apple]

Any and every team would take a Rajon Rondo on their team. He's an absolute maestro on the floor possessing a knowledge of the game few young players in the league can grasp. He's also a student of the game, his massive growth in the least few seasons being evidence of that. He is still not a proficient jump shooter but he's shown steady growth even in this area. An exceptional young talent and one of the craftier, savvier players in the league, even in his relative early stages of his career, unbelievable young talent.

[Jase]

Would he be complaining about Rondo's shot if he was a Laker player? Maybe his team would actually still be in the playoffs.

He would excuse the shot by mentioning Rondo's leadership, or defensive abilities, or grittiness. As he should, because those are all great qualities that #9 possesses. But IMHO, it's stupid to knock a player because they're getting recognized for having a really good game, or really good stretch of games.

[gamby]

Rondo only scored 15 points tonight. Nuff said.

[roldy]

Rondo played a little passive in the second half tonight. He's great when he's aggressive like in the first half.

[Bertrob]

Rondo played a little passive in the second half tonight. He's great when he's aggressive like in the first half.

thats **** amazing