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Re: Jazzfan1971's Preseason Commentary 

Post#221 » by giberish » Fri Aug 9, 2013 6:46 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:It's not so much that I'm high on Mullens, as it is there is nobody there to challenge him for minutes as the 3rd big. Hollins has always looked worthless to me when I've seen him play. So, I don't think he'll earn much run except when there is foul trouble or the occasional blowout. That leaves only 3 guys to split 96 minutes. And Neither Griffin or Jordan have been high minute guys. Last year Griffin played 32.5 minutes and Jordan played 24.5 minutes. That leaves 39 minutes left to be filled by someone. Even if you bump up Griffin and Jordan's minutes and give Hollins a little run, that still leaves a ton of time left for Mullens.

That's why I see him getting a good amount of run. Not so much that he's a stud as of necessity. But, I do think it's possible that he could challenge Jordan in Rivers eyes as his most trusted player to line up with Griffin. Unless they bring in another big Mullens almost looks guaranteed to get 25mpg.



Do you really think a team giving 39 mpg to Hollins/Mullens (who should both be 3rd string) is winning 56 games? Paul is great and their perimeter rotation is solid, but that's a huge hole. Even last years' weak big mad depth was better.

I'd expect lower 50's, unless they add a good reserve big (either C or PF/C as backing up Jordan is more important than backing up Griffin).
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Post#222 » by jazzfan1971 » Fri Aug 9, 2013 7:04 pm

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Do you really think a team giving 39 mpg to Hollins/Mullens (who should both be 3rd string) is winning 56 games?


I do. I have a team giving 39+ mpg to Perkins and Thabeet winning even more than 56 games. I think you can get by with less than stellar center play if you can make up for it elsewhere. Jazz in their day did just fine with Ostertag and Greg Foster. I don't believe it's going to come down to how their centers play to be honest, I think it's going to be about how Blake Griffin plays.

And I don't really think we'll see 39mpg between Hollins and Mullens. More like 29-30.
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Post#223 » by giberish » Fri Aug 9, 2013 8:58 pm

I guess I feel that there's a difference in level between Perkins (and Ostertag before him) who are/were overpaid and very weak starters (not really that much different than D Jordan) and garbage-time only options.

The Clippers can likely cover backup PF minutes with Dudley/Barnes playing small-ball PF - but backup C is a major issue given how limited Jordan is (not really THAT much better than Perkins - while OKC can at least run Collison as a backup C (and Durant/Westbrook are better than Paul/Griffin)).
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Post#224 » by floppymoose » Fri Aug 9, 2013 10:04 pm

Mullens isn't going to get a lot of minutes because Matt Barnes is going to kill him 2 weeks into the season.
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Post#225 » by spaceballer » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:29 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:
Traded guards Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two first-round picks and a second-round pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder for guards James Harden and Daequan Cook, forward Lazar Hayward and center Cole Aldrich.


And here you see more of that magic. Morey landed James Harden. He didnt' even have to pay that much for him. Kevin Martin was on the decline and Houston became a playoff team so those draft picks lost a lot of value. Not bad for a player that would be a consensus top 10 player in the league.


I think you're a little off here. I believe Houston wasn't allowed to trade their future firsts, since those were tied up in their conditional obligation to Atlanta at the time. The key picks that they traded were the notorious lottery guaranteed protections on the Raptors pick and the Bobcat 2nd. So it didn't matter whether the Rockets became a playoff team or not. It mattered whether the Raptors or the Bobcats did well or not. Since the picks involved in the trade weren't the Rockets' own draft picks (Raptors, Mavs, Bobcats).
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Post#226 » by jazzfan1971 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:47 am

Thanks for the catch, I'll edit it out.
"Thibs called back and wanted more picks," said Jorge Sedano. "And Pat Riley, literally, I was told, called him a mother-bleeper and hung up the phone."
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Post#227 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:07 am

Reggie Bullock is legit. I like the kid a lot.
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Post#228 » by Nondescript » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:29 am

Bumping this because I really want to see Jazzfan finish it.
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Post#229 » by jazzfan1971 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:45 am

Been a busy weekend. I'll try to get a team done Monday.
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Re: Jazzfan1971's Preseason Commentary 

Post#230 » by og15 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:18 am

Mullens is weak until proven otherwise and I really hope another big man is signed and he isn't relied upon much unless he's vastly improved which obviously is a different case, but that isn't the expectation either. Like the last two post-seasons losses have shown, the Clippers hope lies on solid defense, not on whether Griffin scores a lot or gets a post game or any of the other offensive stuff people seem to only care about. Yes, that stuff would be great, but that's not the primary issue for the team, defense is. You can't give up 112-113+ Ortg (119 in losses to Memphis) to teams and expect to have a much of a winning chance unless your own offense is insane.

Griffin needs to rebound better in the post-season, and that in itself will help both his scoring and efficiency, but his scoring has been perfectly fine when the opponents are taken imto account. The team needs to defend. The perimeter looks good, Paul, Barnes, Dudley are all above average to good, Redick is a par defender, and Bullock might end up being the teams best perimeter defender, who knows yet, but he should be good. Crawford we all know him and defense don't go together. The interior defense, especially coming off the bench, who knows as of now, that's still the biggest issue, but off-season isn't over.
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Post#231 » by jazzfan1971 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:44 pm

OKC up.
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Post#232 » by jazzfan1971 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:39 pm

I'm wondering when I'll get my first, "TL/DR" post.

Next up - Chicago Bulls
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Post#233 » by Guzman_9 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:05 pm

Its crazy that you have the top 4 teams in the league all from the East!
No lie when I saw you put the thunder down before my pacers i was a little shocked haha
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Post#234 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:25 pm

Guzman_9 wrote:Its crazy that you have the top 4 teams in the league all from the East!
No lie when I saw you put the thunder down before my pacers i was a little shocked haha

Us Pacer fans aren't used to seeing any love for our team haha.

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Post#235 » by jazzfan1971 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:56 pm

Well, you did add Granger and Scola to a very solid team. Is it really shocking I'd rank you highly?

I've got Chicago next. So, I've got you folks somewhere in the top 3. Probably 3rd.

I really like waht you guys have done. But, to be clear, this isn't a list of worst to best teams, only worst to best records. So, you are getting a pretty big bump being in the East as compared to the teams in the West.
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Post#236 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:27 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:Well, you did add Granger and Scola to a very solid team. Is it really shocking I'd rank you highly?

I've got Chicago next. So, I've got you folks somewhere in the top 3. Probably 3rd.

I really like waht you guys have done. But, to be clear, this isn't a list of worst to best teams, only worst to best records. So, you are getting a pretty big bump being in the East as compared to the teams in the West.

See, in an actual power ranking I'd have Indy this high I think. But for just regular season record, I'd have them a touch lower, probably around 6xth.
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Post#237 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:49 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:Well, you did add Granger and Scola to a very solid team. Is it really shocking I'd rank you highly?

I've got Chicago next. So, I've got you folks somewhere in the top 3. Probably 3rd.

I really like waht you guys have done. But, to be clear, this isn't a list of worst to best teams, only worst to best records. So, you are getting a pretty big bump being in the East as compared to the teams in the West.

No, I understand. Trust me, I am very confident in this Pacers team. If anyone is going to beat the Heat, I think it will be us.

We are just not used to getting any credit from anyone outside of Indiana though. I mean, ESPN just ranked top 10 players at each position and I think George was like the 7th ranked SF, while Hibbert wasn't even top 10 in the Center category. Granted, its a very flawed system, but if its THAT flawed, why even consider it a successful measurement?
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Post#238 » by SF_Warriors » Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:51 pm

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jazzfan1971 wrote:Well, you did add Granger and Scola to a very solid team. Is it really shocking I'd rank you highly?

I've got Chicago next. So, I've got you folks somewhere in the top 3. Probably 3rd.

I really like waht you guys have done. But, to be clear, this isn't a list of worst to best teams, only worst to best records. So, you are getting a pretty big bump being in the East as compared to the teams in the West.

No, I understand. Trust me, I am very confident in this Pacers team. If anyone is going to beat the Heat, I think it will be us.

We are just not used to getting any credit from anyone outside of Indiana though. I mean, ESPN just ranked top 10 players at each position and I think George was like the 7th ranked SF, while Hibbert wasn't even top 10 in the Center category. Granted, its a very flawed system, but if its THAT flawed, why even consider it a successful measurement?


Pacers are formiddable and now have depth.

Any reports on Granger? He was one of my favorite players on that team. He does seem to miss significant time each season.
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Post#239 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:03 pm

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Pacers are formiddable and now have depth.

Any reports on Granger? He was one of my favorite players on that team. He does seem to miss significant time each season.

Everything we have heard has been good, granted we haven't heard all too much. Everyone expects him back for the start of the season though.

Most of us are still wondering who will be starting, Granger or Stephenson.
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Post#240 » by SF_Warriors » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:19 pm

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SF_Warriors wrote:
Pacers are formiddable and now have depth.

Any reports on Granger? He was one of my favorite players on that team. He does seem to miss significant time each season.

Everything we have heard has been good, granted we haven't heard all too much. Everyone expects him back for the start of the season though.

Most of us are still wondering who will be starting, Granger or Stephenson.


Yea a healthy granger would make a huge difference to an already good team.
I remember when they were running with the granger george combo at SF and SG a couple years back.
I think they compliment each other well given their playing styles.

At this point, I'm guessing they'll keep stephenson as a starter, and let granger come off the bench as instant offense along with scola.
But if stephenson were to miss some games due to injury, granger is good enough to hold on to the starting spot, IMO.

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