D-Will Wants Out Of Brooklyn, FO Also Wants Him Gone

[Hello Brooklyn]

How about when your team doesn't have its best player?

Imagine how different we would be, when we had Lopez in the post instead of Andray Blatche. Theres a lot of hope for next season. We will be a very different team.

Everyone knows that Brook Lopez has been injured. Doesn't change the fact that Nets were eliminated in the 2nd round with the expectations placed upon them in the beginning of the season.

Also, what kind of changes will be made to make the team "a very different team" next year may I ask?

none, and dont mind him, he is the biggest homer on our board. he had us beating miami and going to the finals and thinks lopez is some elite player

You're a complete moron. When exactly did I say that we were beating Miami or go to the Finals?

Please don't make up lies, to prove your point.

[big_ticket]

move him..he wasted nets money

[WhatsMyName]

I'm not really sure how the 15% trade kicker works, can someone explain this to me?

From the CBA-FAQ http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q97

For contracts and extensions signed under the current CBA, a trade bonus is paid by the team trading away the player.

A trade bonus cannot cause a player's salary to exceed the maximum salary, based on his years of service, during the year of the trade.

The value of a trade bonus is applied to the team salary among the remaining years of the contract.

The player is not allowed to waive more than the amount necessary to make the trade legal.

Does this mean the trade kicker is added to the cap hit of his contract for the receiving team but the Nets have to pay that amount?

And how much would the kicker be, Derons contract is already over the maximum salary, how does the second quote affect the amount?

[minnytola1960]

Say what you want about DWill, but if he goes to the Knicks I'd be ****ing in my pants at the thought of facing Carmelo, Amare AND Deron Williams ON THE SAME TEAM. It feels go to be a Knicks fan

[Doddage]

Say what you want about DWill, but if he goes to the Knicks I'd be ****ing in my pants at the thought of facing Carmelo, Amare AND Deron Williams ON THE SAME TEAM. It feels go to be a Knicks fan

Maybe if this was 5 years ago.

[DarkXaero]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24564601/report-deron-williams-frustrated-but-hasnt-requested-trade


This has been debunked already and is just a silly rumor.
As a Nets fan sure Im frustrated with DWill, but again if he (and thats a big if) can get his ankles fixed Im sure he can be in the top 5 PG conversation again.
I mean just look at Steph Curry he had ankle issues for 3 seasons and is now playing like one of the best players in the league.

List your current top five point guards... and then tell us who he could replace... then you realize how silly your assumption is.

Are you saying that Deron Williams getting back to the player he was, wouldn't be a top 5 PG? The guy who would be one of the most complete PGs around?

[DarkXaero]

you dont win with slow ball stopping centers who dont defender or rebound and cant stay on the court. plus he is one of the softest players in the league

ball stopping center

its not about Nets or will they win with or without Brook Lopez, but why the hell this current trend calling legit offensive centers as ball stopping centers

Ignore prokorov, he hates Brook Lopez, and goes out of his way to trash him every chance he gets.

[Blame Rasho]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24564601/report-deron-williams-frustrated-but-hasnt-requested-trade


This has been debunked already and is just a silly rumor.
As a Nets fan sure Im frustrated with DWill, but again if he (and thats a big if) can get his ankles fixed Im sure he can be in the top 5 PG conversation again.
I mean just look at Steph Curry he had ankle issues for 3 seasons and is now playing like one of the best players in the league.

List your current top five point guards... and then tell us who he could replace... then you realize how silly your assumption is.

Are you saying that Deron Williams getting back to the player he was, wouldn't be a top 5 PG? The guy who would be one of the most complete PGs around?

Did you even read what I said? I said... who would he replace even if he got his fatass together? He hasn't been an all NBA caliber player since he left Utah. It is a fact... if you want to believe he can get there... fine... but he isn't there.

[DarkXaero]

And did you read what I said? Deron getting back to his 18/10 level would be at least the 4th best PG in the league. He'd be behind Chris Paul, Steph Curry, and maybe Westbrook.

And I didn't say he would get there, I'm saying IF he could.

[therealbig3]

But Deron "getting it together" vs "returning to Utah form" are two different things. I really don't see how anyone could expect him to return to Utah form...it's 99% likely that Utah Deron is gone for good.

But Deron getting it together would mean he stops being useless and actually plays like a good PG again...he'd still be vastly overpaid, but he'd be a good player again, and could be in the conversation of the top 10 PGs. But top 5 is pretty much impossible imo.

[DarkXaero]

But Deron "getting it together" vs "returning to Utah form" are two different things. I really don't see how anyone could expect him to return to Utah form...it's 99% likely that Utah Deron is gone for good.

But Deron getting it together would mean he stops being useless and actually plays like a good PG again...he'd still be vastly overpaid, but he'd be a good player again, and could be in the conversation of the top 10 PGs. But top 5 is pretty much impossible imo.

How is becoming top 5 impossible? It was only a year ago, that he was putting up 22/8 on elite efficiency after the all star break, last season. In that stretch, he was either the best PG in the NBA or the second best PG in the NBA. And that's really not that small of a sample size. It also happened after he got healthy last season. I don't think it's impossible for him to get back to that level, if his injury issues can be prevented, and if he can get his head together.

It's not like we haven't seen glimpses of Utah Deron in Brooklyn. We did, just last season, when he went on a tear post all star break. Unfortunately for us, he hasn't been able to sustain that over a season due to injury issues, and mental obstacles. It's not impossible to overcome those factors. He has to get surgery/treatment this offseason, get in the best shape of his life over the offseason/preseason, and get his confidence back.

[Blame Rasho]

And did you read what I said? Deron getting back to his 18/10 level would be at least the 4th best PG in the league. He'd be behind Chris Paul, Steph Curry, and maybe Westbrook.

And I didn't say he would get there, I'm saying IF he could.

All of those players you mentioned were/are going to be all NBA level players... and I am not even going to include players like Tony Parker, Lillard, Irving, Wall who are at clearly better players than Williams is at right now. The idea that maybe Westbrook is worse than your version of healthy verison Williams kinda says alot about your perception of him.

[DarkXaero]

And did you read what I said? Deron getting back to his 18/10 level would be at least the 4th best PG in the league. He'd be behind Chris Paul, Steph Curry, and maybe Westbrook.

And I didn't say he would get there, I'm saying IF he could.

All of those players you mentioned were/are going to be all NBA level players... and I am not even going to include players like Tony Parker, Lillard, Irving, Wall who are at clearly better players than Williams is at right now. The idea that maybe Westbrook is worse than your version of healthy verison Williams kinda says alot about your perception of him.

Tony Parker? Ok. Irving? No. Lillard? Maybe. Wall? Not for me.

For all the talk of Deron sucking this playoffs (and he deserved all the criticism), Wall was pretty awful as well, a couple games aside. He's really inefficient, and can be a really poor decision maker at times. Irving hasn't done anything to warrant top 5 PG status, other than some pretty stats and an aesthetically pleasing game.

Keep in mind, that I'm not comparing current Deron to those players. This whole thing is a hypothetical to begin with. You keep comparing those players to current Deron. No **** they're better than what Deron was this year.

[therealbig3]

And did you read what I said? Deron getting back to his 18/10 level would be at least the 4th best PG in the league. He'd be behind Chris Paul, Steph Curry, and maybe Westbrook.

And I didn't say he would get there, I'm saying IF he could.

All of those players you mentioned were/are going to be all NBA level players... and I am not even going to include players like Tony Parker, Lillard, Irving, Wall who are at clearly better players than Williams is at right now. The idea that maybe Westbrook is worse than your version of healthy verison Williams kinda says alot about your perception of him.

Utah Deron or Westbrook, who's better?

Forget the fact that Deron is nowhere close to what he was in Utah, this is just a hypothetical...if Deron was his Utah self again, is he better than Westbrook?

I think it's impossible for Deron to be that good again, but you seem to believe that even that version of Deron wasn't all that good compared to other PGs today. I disagree with that.

[DByrne86]

DWill dominated because of his size and explosiveness. It's really sad what happened to him with those injuries. Without the explosiveness he just can't be effective.

My guess is he's still on the Nets roster next year. Essentially unmovable contract.

[Wolf_Cry]

It gives me great pleasure when a star demands a trade to a big market team only, and then he starts to suck balls and that team sucks balls as well, and the relationship goes into Chris Brown-Rihanna mode, and I'm like...karma is awesome.

[jamesnamida]

what team does dwill want to go on to???
theres like only 3 choices that will be any better than his situation + open to trading for a pg
rockets, pacers, raps if lowry is gone.
knicks have no one brooklyn wants.
no top west teams need a pg...

rockets can only offer lin + asik, which might be the best deal.
pacers can send hill and stevenson resigned+ difference, then he would have to play sf or joe johnson plays sf.
and the raps has pieces but and can sign and trade lowry?

[Torres]

D-Will can go play in the D-League.

[cainepelicans]

Holiday and Gordon for Plumlee and Williams?

[DusterBuster]

Holiday and Gordon for Plumlee and Williams?

Terrible for the Pelicans