NBA looking to change Draft Lottery; 76ers say no

[ufsports]

I think that the NBA should change the draft system, but implement the new system in at least two years in the future so that teams like the 76ers don't have their strategy ruined.

[MagicStarwipe]

It's not about jealousy or hate for the Sixers. Or even disagreement with their strategy. It's simply a case of it being easy to joke about them because their tank is one of the most blatant in recent memory. I mean, there is tanking and then there is trying to be one of the worst teams of all time. Orlando tanked the last 2 seasons, but they don't get joked about nearly as much and there is a reason for that. But hey, Sixers fans, if it works out you'll be the ones laughing in the end, so have a Coke and a smile and chill the **** out.

[TheUroborosWorm]

The old sistem PLUS a hefty fine for the owners of terrible teams (10m $ starting at 29w and 2m more for each extra loss, so a team who only wins 20 games pays 30m in tax, and a uber tanking one close to 50m) would solve most of the problems, owners only care about money... touch their pockets! that way you would have every year only the real AWFUL teams in the bottom lottery, and the others will fight for those 30 wins till the end.

[Agnostifarian]

The more I reflect on the 76ers haters, the happier I am that I have the FO I do as opposed to say, the Nets' FO. That is the alternative. Trade all your future youth and affordable contracts for "proven veterans" and go for the gusto. OOPs, Spurs won again!

Do you want to be a 76er fan or a Net fan?

UTA? Those are some big deals for Favors and Hayward...

Philly has a real long way to go before we find out what happens but Sixer fans are still mostly ok with the direction no matter what happens to the lottery system.

[76ciology]

The more I think of it, it will just be beneficial for the Sixers and less for teams who are just starting to rebuild.

Sixers will have two prized rookies playing on their team for the next two years. Embiid and 2015 lotto in 2015- 2016 season, Saric and 2016 lotto pick in 2016-2017 season. That and with current staple of MCW and Noel, chances are they will not suck that bad after this season. But nevertheless, the team still has the potential to land a no.1 pick in both the 2015 and the 2016 drafts.

And if they don't land the no.1 pick, from Hinkie's track record in the last two seasons, I won't be surprised if Sixers still get the no.1 prospect with a non no.1 overall pick.

[Baller2014]

The more I reflect on the 76ers haters, the happier I am that I have the FO I do as opposed to say, the Nets' FO. That is the alternative. Trade all your future youth and affordable contracts for "proven veterans" and go for the gusto. OOPs, Spurs won again!

Do you want to be a 76er fan or a Net fan?

UTA? Those are some big deals for Favors and Hayward...

Philly has a real long way to go before we find out what happens but Sixer fans are still mostly ok with the direction no matter what happens to the lottery system.

I'm not opposed to Philly's plan, so much as the execution. They have some pretty grating Hinkyites too, who will praise any move he makes. I think he's going to look really bad for passing on E.Payton for instance.

I'm for the changes, since it still rewards bad teams, it just moves the tanking to one middle of the pack team or two (hopefully), so that's slightly less bad I guess. The idea is to reward bad teams, exactly how you weight the odds is debatable.

[76ciology]

Right now, if you're one of the worst 3-4 teams, you know you're getting a pretty high pick no matter what. So tanking makes a lot of sense from a game theory standpoint. But if the lottery covers the first 6 spots and the odds are more evenly distributed, it becomes more of a crapshoot. Suddenly throwing away a season with a decent likelihood of ending up with say the #7 pick is not looking as good.

The worst team will still have the best odds, but incrementally rather than dramatically better.

A so-so team might also be more likely to try to incrementally improve year-over-year, knowing that they still have a decent shot in the lottery. There can be a light at the end of the tunnel that doesn't require you to blow everything up only midway through your rebuilding plan.

Actually, the proposed changes would lead to MORE teams tanking if all NBA teams were employing a game theory optimal approach. By flattening the odds across more teams, it increases the reward for teams to lose games at the end of the season to ensure they are in that top cluster of %s. Right now, its only optimal for a very small number of teams to pursue ping pong balls because if you aren't in the first couple spots, you wouldn't win a top pick often enough to offset any profits wasted pursuing a losing season.

Yup, the goal is more of stopping Sixers for the short term while not being a long term solution for parity.

[Baller2014]

The more I think of it, it will just be beneficial for the Sixers and less for teams who are just starting to rebuild.

Sixers will have two prized rookies playing on their team for the next two years. Embiid and 2015 lotto in 2015- 2016 season, Saric and 2016 lotto pick in 2016-2017 season. That and with current staple of MCW and Noel, chances are they will not suck that bad after this season. But nevertheless, the team still has the potential to land a no.1 pick in both the 2015 and the 2016 drafts.

And if they don't land the no.1 pick, from Hinkie's track record in the last two seasons, I won't be surprised if Sixers still get the no.1 prospect with a non no.1 overall pick.

The 76ers are fighting it because they know it will not benefit them. They look to be bad for several years to come.

[Litany]

The more I think of it, it will just be beneficial for the Sixers and less for teams who are just starting to rebuild.

Sixers will have two prized rookies playing on their team for the next two years. Embiid and 2015 lotto in 2015- 2016 season, Saric and 2016 lotto pick in 2016-2017 season. That and with current staple of MCW and Noel, chances are they will not suck that bad after this season. But nevertheless, the team still has the potential to land a no.1 pick in both the 2015 and the 2016 drafts.

And if they don't land the no.1 pick, from Hinkie's track record in the last two seasons, I won't be surprised if Sixers still get the no.1 prospect with a non no.1 overall pick.

You keep saying this. Yes, if Embiid is healthy he's excellent. But he has huge risk. That's why he fell to 3. It's not genius by "Hinkie" those guys fell to him for a reason. Noel looks great too, but everyone watching him gasps when he lands and he had some ugly ones in SL.

I hope those guys have full careers. All I'm saying is that there's a reason those guys fell. Could never be healthy. Like my niners taking marcus lattimore. I think they used a 2nd rounder on him. He sat out last year and he looks like he won't ever be the same based in reports this summer. He can't even play yet and it's been several years.

[76ciology]

The more I think of it, it will just be beneficial for the Sixers and less for teams who are just starting to rebuild.

Sixers will have two prized rookies playing on their team for the next two years. Embiid and 2015 lotto in 2015- 2016 season, Saric and 2016 lotto pick in 2016-2017 season. That and with current staple of MCW and Noel, chances are they will not suck that bad after this season. But nevertheless, the team still has the potential to land a no.1 pick in both the 2015 and the 2016 drafts.

And if they don't land the no.1 pick, from Hinkie's track record in the last two seasons, I won't be surprised if Sixers still get the no.1 prospect with a non no.1 overall pick.

The 76ers are fighting it because they know it will not benefit them. They look to be bad for several years to come.

But when the team has the chance to get the no.1 pick in 2016, because of the new system, despite having..
MCW
NOEL
EMBIID
KARL TOWNS?

Bench:
McDaniels
Wroten
Thad or asset from Thad trade

That would be a talent heavy team come 2016-2017(tail end of rebuilding stage) season.

No wonder Hinkie traded down to get his 2017 1st from the Magic. Hinkie is very smart enough to realize the chances of the team being able to compete for the play-offs come 2017.

[BullyKing]

The more I think of it, it will just be beneficial for the Sixers and less for teams who are just starting to rebuild.

Sixers will have two prized rookies playing on their team for the next two years. Embiid and 2015 lotto in 2015- 2016 season, Saric and 2016 lotto pick in 2016-2017 season. That and with current staple of MCW and Noel, chances are they will not suck that bad after this season. But nevertheless, the team still has the potential to land a no.1 pick in both the 2015 and the 2016 drafts.

And if they don't land the no.1 pick, from Hinkie's track record in the last two seasons, I won't be surprised if Sixers still get the no.1 prospect with a non no.1 overall pick.

The 76ers are fighting it because they know it will not benefit them. They look to be bad for several years to come.

But when the team has the chance to get the no.1 pick in 2016, because of the new system, despite having..
MCW
NOEL
EMBIID
KARL TOWNS?

Bench:
McDaniels
Wroten
Thad or asset from Thad trade

That would be a talent heavy team come 2016-2017(tail end of rebuilding stage) season.

No wonder Hinkie traded down to get his 2017 1st from the Magic. Hinkie is very smart enough to realize the chances of the team being able to compete for the play-offs come 2017.

and double max cap space.

[RRyder823]

The more I think of it, it will just be beneficial for the Sixers and less for teams who are just starting to rebuild.

Sixers will have two prized rookies playing on their team for the next two years. Embiid and 2015 lotto in 2015- 2016 season, Saric and 2016 lotto pick in 2016-2017 season. That and with current staple of MCW and Noel, chances are they will not suck that bad after this season. But nevertheless, the team still has the potential to land a no.1 pick in both the 2015 and the 2016 drafts.

And if they don't land the no.1 pick, from Hinkie's track record in the last two seasons, I won't be surprised if Sixers still get the no.1 prospect with a non no.1 overall pick.

I'm sorry but when did the Sixers get the best prospect without drafting #1???? I like Noel but he hasn't played a game yet and I might be playing the homer card but there's no way on earth you could convince me to trade Giannis for Noel strait up. Don't imagine too many Bucks fans would walk away from that swap feeling anything other then abused....

As for Embiid, IF he ever manages to play 60-65 games in a season you MIGHT have something there but there was a reason Wiggins and Parker went before him. The mans body very well could be made of glass.Should probably see him play and stay healthy before declaring him the best prospect........

All that being said I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be proclaiming to have gotton the best 2 prospects from the past 2 drafts before either plays a single freakin game.... Just sayin

[Baller2014]

But when the team has the chance to get the no.1 pick in 2016, because of the new system, despite having..
MCW
NOEL
EMBIID
KARL TOWNS?

Bench:
McDaniels
Wroten
Thad or asset from Thad trade

That would be a talent heavy team come 2016-2017(tail end of rebuilding stage) season.

No wonder Hinkie traded down to get his 2017 1st from the Magic. Hinkie is very smart enough to realize the chances of the team being able to compete for the play-offs come 2017.

Then why is Hinkie fighting it, if it's so good for him? You embody the hardcore Hinkyites I spoke of. Please, try to be more objective and stop assuming everything the 76ers do is a homerun, even when your own GM thinks it's bad!

You'll have no better chance at the #1 pick in 2016 than 5 other teams (even though you'll be one of the worst of them). Right now the 76ers are likely to have high odds of a #1 pick in both 2015 and 2016, they're not looking like they'll turn things around anytime soon.

[76ciology]

The more I think of it, it will just be beneficial for the Sixers and less for teams who are just starting to rebuild.

Sixers will have two prized rookies playing on their team for the next two years. Embiid and 2015 lotto in 2015- 2016 season, Saric and 2016 lotto pick in 2016-2017 season. That and with current staple of MCW and Noel, chances are they will not suck that bad after this season. But nevertheless, the team still has the potential to land a no.1 pick in both the 2015 and the 2016 drafts.

And if they don't land the no.1 pick, from Hinkie's track record in the last two seasons, I won't be surprised if Sixers still get the no.1 prospect with a non no.1 overall pick.

You keep saying this. Yes, if Embiid is healthy he's excellent. But he has huge risk. That's why he fell to 3. It's not genius by "Hinkie" those guys fell to him for a reason. Noel looks great too, but everyone watching him gasps when he lands and he had some ugly ones in SL.

I hope those guys have full careers. All I'm saying is that there's a reason those guys fell. Could never be healthy. Like my niners taking marcus lattimore. I think they used a 2nd rounder on him. He sat out last year and he looks like he won't ever be the same based in reports this summer. He can't even play yet and it's been several years.

Embiid:
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1331043

Noel:
All I can say is watch the SL games. He showed no signs of that knee injuries. And if he isn't fully healthy, the team wouldn't let him back into the game and just sit him out when he had cramps and that minor ankle sprain that he was able to play for the next two games.

[76ciology]

But when the team has the chance to get the no.1 pick in 2016, because of the new system, despite having..
MCW
NOEL
EMBIID
KARL TOWNS?

Bench:
McDaniels
Wroten
Thad or asset from Thad trade

That would be a talent heavy team come 2016-2017(tail end of rebuilding stage) season.

No wonder Hinkie traded down to get his 2017 1st from the Magic. Hinkie is very smart enough to realize the chances of the team being able to compete for the play-offs come 2017.

Then why is Hinkie fighting it, if it's so good for him? You embody the hardcore Hinkyites I spoke of. Please, try to be more objective and stop assuming everything the 76ers do is a homerun, even when your own GM thinks it's bad!

You'll have no better chance at the #1 pick in 2016 than 5 other teams (even though you'll be one of the worst of them). Right now the 76ers are likely to have high odds of a #1 pick in both 2015 and 2016, they're not looking like they'll turn things around anytime soon.

Who says Sixers is fighting for it? Sauces?

Did Hinkie go publicly saying he's fighting for it? Maybe it's smokescreen so these kind of hate sentiments won't happen after he lands a no.1 pick in 2016 even with a MCW, Noel, Biid, Karl Towns, Wroten, McDaniels, asset from Thad and 30m cap space. Hahaha

[Mik317]

so now the goalposts have moved from it's bad because being bad shouldn't be rewarded to I don't like it because some people on the internet are hyping the moves up too much.

which is it?

In the end, the fanbase is ok with it, the coach is okay with it, and most importantly the dudes paying the bills are happy with it. Whether it works or not is left to be seen. But for the first time in forever, I think all 3 parties are in perfect sync and that is why fans are super happy with it and tend to get a bit defensive when we are villified for it.

All Hinkie is doing is having a longterm plan..something none of our previous GMs have done (perhaps in franchise history). If it doesn't work, it doesn't mean a damn thing as there is tons of luck involved in creating a contender.

[42uptop]

The more I reflect on the 76ers haters, the happier I am that I have the FO I do as opposed to say, the Nets' FO. That is the alternative. Trade all your future youth and affordable contracts for "proven veterans" and go for the gusto. OOPs, Spurs won again!

Do you want to be a 76er fan or a Net fan?

UTA? Those are some big deals for Favors and Hayward...

Philly has a real long way to go before we find out what happens but Sixer fans are still mostly ok with the direction no matter what happens to the lottery system.

I'm not opposed to Philly's plan, so much as the execution. They have some pretty grating Hinkyites too, who will praise any move he makes. I think he's going to look really bad for passing on E.Payton for instance.

I'm for the changes, since it still rewards bad teams, it just moves the tanking to one middle of the pack team or two (hopefully), so that's slightly less bad I guess. The idea is to reward bad teams, exactly how you weight the odds is debatable.

We didn't need Elfrid Payton.That would have been a complete waste of a pick.

I also am for lottery reform, but the Sixers front office is right for criticizing the NBA if they implement it this year. You have to give teams a heads up before adjusting the lottery odds. It is inherently unfair to change the rules of a game while the game is going on

[Baller2014]

You should go back and read the OP:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11284 ... ery-system

[76ciology]

You should go back and read the OP:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11284 ... ery-system

So, it's sauces..

All I can say is this. There's no point in trading down from 10th to 12th and get that lottery protected pick back if Hinkie knew there's little chance the Sixers would make the play-offs. Logically based on facts and projected assets by then, Sixers have more than enough talent to make the play-offs by then.

If then the sauces are really sources, then I think Hinkie is referring more on the the 2015 lottery which I believe would be too early for the reform. But for the 2016, the reform should work for the Sixers.

[majortom71]

The problem is that Philly was not as secretive about their tank as other teams like Orlando, Milwaukee,..etc.
When you lose 26 straight games and almost break a record you become noticeable.
That's not just all, there are many articles describing 76ers tank season, just Google and you'll see.
It was not only a "no secret" it became "in your face" and that's what is probably causing this blow back from the league.
I am sure the league realizes that tanking goes on and they are fine about it, but when it starts drawing attention they'll probably get the gears turning to "make improvements".

Anyway, like I said earlier I don't agree with the changes and the time period however you cannot deny the 76ers shot themselves in the foot with the blatant tank.
Regardless of their strategy they should have been more covert about it.