76ers will become dynasty in 10 years

[Sixerscan]

This is a similar approach the bulls started in 99. The championship run was over and we tanked big time posting a string of losing seasons. 99 we picked (brand #1 & Artest) 00 Fizer #4 crawford #8 (traded Mihm #7) 01 Chandler #2 & Curry #4 02 Jay Williams #2 03 Hinrick #7 04 Gordon #3 & Deng #7. That is a lot of high level picks which got us a team that could when one round in the playoffs That's hardly a dynasty. Since then we added a #1 in rose a #2 in LA (to bad we traded him for Thomas) and we still are stuck in the second round. The strategy could pay off 76ers but its to early to how the players will pan out. After a few years the players will start looking for the big contract and if the team is still losing it will be hard to keep them around. If you get a lot of talented player you'll make it into the playoffs but you need to get that special player to get you over the hump. I don't see that player yet on the sixers but maybe Embiid will be that guy.

We shouldn't definitely draft better players than those early 00s Bulls did, or trade them for good players before anyone figures out!

At the end of the day, no matter what strategy, it comes down to how well you evaluate and develop talent.

[KuruptedCav]

Talking like it is a foregone conclusion isn't prudent. There are no guarantees. I'm a fan of a team that has drafted a lot of talent over the last 13 years and doesn't have a ring to show for it: Boozer, James, Kapono, Green, Thompson, Irving, Wiggins,

And whiffed on Anthony Bennett, DeSagana Diop, Dejuan Wagner, and Luke Jackson...


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[sixerswillrule]

Regarding the MCW trade

I think it's a pretty big jump from trading MCW to trading Noel or Embiid. Both of them are far better prospects. I'd be shocked if either gets traded any time soon.

Yeah, that's fine, they didn't think MCW was the guy they wanted long term to run point. KJ had his unique contract and his mom hated the way the Sixers operate. Everyone has a story and building a team requires trimming the right parts. But from the outside these two guys and Noel were basically the Sixers and two of them were mercilessly flipped.

But I'm not even necessarily talking about trading Noel or Embiid, because a deal like that would be difficult to work out. Are they going to flip Covington for a future first when they realize he'll get offered more than they want to pay when he eventually hits free agency? They've done a good job at developing some nice young role players. Those are who I have my eye on. The guys that are needed to build a team, but add needless wins to a team that's trying to lose.

Covington is locked in until 2018.

[Ponchos]

Just did calculations for the period of 1991-2000 to see if they are similar to 2001-2010.

The numbers are different, but it's actually way better for drafting stars.

12% chance of selecting a Superstar (Kidd, KG, Shaq)
48% chance of selecting a Star (Vince Carter, Webber, McDyess)
24% chance of selecting a Good player (Bibby, Camby, KVH)
4% chance of selecting an OK player (Donyell Marshall, Rider)
12% chance of selecting a Bad player (Kandi, Stro-Show, Bender)

[psualltheway5]

There's still so many holes in the 76ers plan. This team is just as likely to bust as it is to boom. I don't buy into the hype whatsoever. I'll buy in when there's reason to.

Until then, I'm still gonna say the Jazz, Wolves, Bucks, Magic, Pelicans, and Celtics are in better situations.

You are comparing teams in totally different stages of a rebuild.

The Jazz and Celtics both have treadmill written all over them.

The Magic have lots of nice pieces but lack shooting and a "star" or star potential player.

The Pelicans just made the playoffs in the West, so they are irrelevant to this conversation.

The only teams that really compare are the Wolves and Bucks and it is debatable wheter or not they are in a better position (considering cap space, draft picks, assets, etc.)

At least compare teams who are on the same playing field.

[tmorgan]

This is so incredibly stupid. I'm not talking about the Sixers -- that could end any number of ways, including multiple championships -- I'm talking about the article.

Unless the CBA changes, a max player can earn about 35% of the cap. You can't have 3 true max players with contracts signed under the new cap, which is what the Sixers will have if all of Embiid, Noel, and the 3rd pick (not to mention any future guys) pan out that well.

It's called math. Or seriously punitive luxury tax, I suppose, because you need other guys on the roster.

Just to be clear, your math is wrong.

A max player coming off a rookie contract gets 25% of the cap, not 35%. Even if they qualify as Rose max, the number is still 30%.

You absolutely can have 3 true max players, even at the 35% figure that should come into play in about 7 years if it does, so long as you already have their Bird rights.

Except... this was about being a dynasty in ten years. So yeah, I was talking about future contracts.

Good try, though. I'm not even being negative about the Sixers -- why so harsh?

[Xsy]

There's still so many holes in the 76ers plan. This team is just as likely to bust as it is to boom. I don't buy into the hype whatsoever. I'll buy in when there's reason to.

Until then, I'm still gonna say the Jazz, Wolves, Bucks, Magic, Pelicans, and Celtics are in better situations.

You are comparing teams in totally different stages of a rebuild.

The Jazz and Celtics both have treadmill written all over them.

The Magic have lots of nice pieces but lack shooting and a "star" or star potential player.

The Pelicans just made the playoffs in the West, so they are irrelevant to this conversation.

The only teams that really compare are the Wolves and Bucks and it is debatable wheter or not they are in a better position (considering cap space, draft picks, assets, etc.)

At least compare teams who are on the same playing field.

The Jazz were literally a younger team than the Sixers were last season, and won twice as many games in a much more difficult conference.

Sixers have a shot at growing up and getting better, but the Jazz don't?

[wickedwrister]

Regarding the MCW trade

I think it's a pretty big jump from trading MCW to trading Noel or Embiid. Both of them are far better prospects. I'd be shocked if either gets traded any time soon.

Yeah, that's fine, they didn't think MCW was the guy they wanted long term to run point. KJ had his unique contract and his mom hated the way the Sixers operate. Everyone has a story and building a team requires trimming the right parts. But from the outside these two guys and Noel were basically the Sixers and two of them were mercilessly flipped.

But I'm not even necessarily talking about trading Noel or Embiid, because a deal like that would be difficult to work out. Are they going to flip Covington for a future first when they realize he'll get offered more than they want to pay when he eventually hits free agency? They've done a good job at developing some nice young role players. Those are who I have my eye on. The guys that are needed to build a team, but add needless wins to a team that's trying to lose.

So at this point it just becomes about philosophy. Based on their comments the Sixers FO seems to believe that you do everything you can do to get your core guys (your Duncan, Ginobli, Parker if you will since our coach comes from the Spurs tree). After that you figure out the role players. Likely to your dismay I wouldn't be surprised if Hinkie keeps flipping role players if he thinks he can get a better deal for them. At what point do you say, I have only a few good players so I shouldn't trade the ones I have. What if the Bucks offer their 1st for Covington? Maybe Hinkie says no. What if the Jazz want Covington for 12? What if a team offers a top 10 for him? Before people flip out, I know these won't happen but I'm using them as examples to say that role players come and go and the Sixers need to keep trying to turn their dimes into quarters etc until they are actually trying to make the final push over the top.

[Ponchos]

There's still so many holes in the 76ers plan. This team is just as likely to bust as it is to boom. I don't buy into the hype whatsoever. I'll buy in when there's reason to.

Until then, I'm still gonna say the Jazz, Wolves, Bucks, Magic, Pelicans, and Celtics are in better situations.

You are comparing teams in totally different stages of a rebuild.

The Jazz and Celtics both have treadmill written all over them.

The Magic have lots of nice pieces but lack shooting and a "star" or star potential player.

The Pelicans just made the playoffs in the West, so they are irrelevant to this conversation.

The only teams that really compare are the Wolves and Bucks and it is debatable wheter or not they are in a better position (considering cap space, draft picks, assets, etc.)

At least compare teams who are on the same playing field.

The Jazz were literally a younger team than the Sixers were last season, and won twice as many games in a much more difficult conference.

Sixers have a shot at growing up and getting better, but the Jazz don't?

Everybody has to look down on someone else.

[Goudelock]

There's still so many holes in the 76ers plan. This team is just as likely to bust as it is to boom. I don't buy into the hype whatsoever. I'll buy in when there's reason to.

Until then, I'm still gonna say the Jazz, Wolves, Bucks, Magic, Pelicans, and Celtics are in better situations.

You are comparing teams in totally different stages of a rebuild.

The Jazz and Celtics both have treadmill written all over them.

The Magic have lots of nice pieces but lack shooting and a "star" or star potential player.

The Pelicans just made the playoffs in the West, so they are irrelevant to this conversation.

The only teams that really compare are the Wolves and Bucks and it is debatable wheter or not they are in a better position (considering cap space, draft picks, assets, etc.)

At least compare teams who are on the same playing field.

Considering that they own Brooklyn's future draft picks for the next half-decade, I could see the Celtics making the playoffs while still getting top 5 picks from the Nets. I don't really see them as a treadmill team.

[Rendei]

So at this point it just becomes about philosophy. Based on their comments the Sixers FO seems to believe that you do everything you can do to get your core guys (your Duncan, Ginobli, Parker if you will since our coach comes from the Spurs tree). After that you figure out the role players. Likely to your dismay I wouldn't be surprised if Hinkie keeps flipping role players if he thinks he can get a better deal for them. At what point do you say, I have only a few good players so I shouldn't trade the ones I have. What if the Bucks offer their 1st for Covington? Maybe Hinkie says no. What if the Jazz want Covington for 12? What if a team offers a top 10 for him? Before people flip out, I know these won't happen but I'm using them as examples to say that role players come and go and the Sixers need to keep trying to turn their dimes into quarters etc until they are actually trying to make the final push over the top.

I wouldn't care if he flipped him for someone in THIS draft who could play immediately. That wouldn't be the case, though. It'd be for a future first round pick with protections. Or maybe even future second round picks. It's just clearing the decks for more invisible assets that helps the team lose more immediately. Anyway, the question was what would the Sixers have to do to convince me that they're not intentionally tanking anymore. My answer was not trade guys like Covington, who they apparently have locked up until 2018, for future draft picks. You sound unsure about this possibility, which is sad.

[HartfordWhalers]

This is so incredibly stupid. I'm not talking about the Sixers -- that could end any number of ways, including multiple championships -- I'm talking about the article.

Unless the CBA changes, a max player can earn about 35% of the cap. You can't have 3 true max players with contracts signed under the new cap, which is what the Sixers will have if all of Embiid, Noel, and the 3rd pick (not to mention any future guys) pan out that well.

It's called math. Or seriously punitive luxury tax, I suppose, because you need other guys on the roster.

Just to be clear, your math is wrong.

A max player coming off a rookie contract gets 25% of the cap, not 35%. Even if they qualify as Rose max, the number is still 30%.

You absolutely can have 3 true max players, even at the 35% figure that should come into play in about 7 years if it does, so long as you already have their Bird rights.

Except... this was about being a dynasty in ten years. So yeah, I was talking about future contracts.

Good try, though. I'm not even being negative about the Sixers -- why so harsh?

Actually, if you read the article, it was saying they would already be one in 10 years, so they would have had the success before then and looking back in 10 years people would already be saying that.

But yes, in 10 years those players will *then* be elligible for 35% maxes. Assuming the CBA says so then. And at that time Philly will still have Bird Rights on those players (again CBA assuming). So, they could definitely still sign them despite it adding up to 105%. Your logic and math were still poor, even if you were trying to say it won;t be a problem for 8 years but will eventually be a problem in 10.

[MiltownHawkeye]

But that's the point, right? Sometimes strategy and the long play don't mean near as much as luck or whatever else. You're explaining why the Wolves have a better future, not how that makes them worse than the Sizers. How can you know the Sixers are going to be in better shape? The Wolves have 2 1s and didn't embarrass themselves to get them. Wiggins and KAT are worth more than the package of players and picks the sixers have right now, and that's before factoring in the other young players that 'Sota has Shabazz, LaVine and Dieng.

There's strategy and then there's getting 3 number ones in 5 years, and having the best player on the planet be from your state. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

This is some mindless drivel for early in the morning.

What about it exactly is drivel?

The fact he disagrees with it

[HartfordWhalers]

There's still so many holes in the 76ers plan. This team is just as likely to bust as it is to boom. I don't buy into the hype whatsoever. I'll buy in when there's reason to.

Until then, I'm still gonna say the Jazz, Wolves, Bucks, Magic, Pelicans, and Celtics are in better situations.

You are comparing teams in totally different stages of a rebuild.

The Jazz and Celtics both have treadmill written all over them.

The Magic have lots of nice pieces but lack shooting and a "star" or star potential player.

The Pelicans just made the playoffs in the West, so they are irrelevant to this conversation.

The only teams that really compare are the Wolves and Bucks and it is debatable wheter or not they are in a better position (considering cap space, draft picks, assets, etc.)

At least compare teams who are on the same playing field.

The Jazz were literally a younger team than the Sixers were last season, and won twice as many games in a much more difficult conference.

Sixers have a shot at growing up and getting better, but the Jazz don't?

You sure about that?

Coming into the season, the Sixers had a younger average age --
#1 Philadelphia 76ers - Average age of 23.4
versus
#3 Utah Jazz - Average age of 23.9

http://www.nba.com/magic/gallery/cohen- ... -15-season

Looking at the effective age by minutes played, I was lazy and just used the year of each player at the season start and not by date, but that had Philly's effective roster also lower 22.9 versus 23.4.

Which makes sense considering Utah had 3 players 27 in there top 10 in minutes, while Philly only had 1 guy over 24 (LRMM at 28).

If anyone has the exact calculation using age to the date, I would be curious to see it, but I don't see how Utah jumps that gap.

[Mik317]

There's still so many holes in the 76ers plan. This team is just as likely to bust as it is to boom. I don't buy into the hype whatsoever. I'll buy in when there's reason to.

Until then, I'm still gonna say the Jazz, Wolves, Bucks, Magic, Pelicans, and Celtics are in better situations.

You are comparing teams in totally different stages of a rebuild.

The Jazz and Celtics both have treadmill written all over them.

The Magic have lots of nice pieces but lack shooting and a "star" or star potential player.

The Pelicans just made the playoffs in the West, so they are irrelevant to this conversation.

The only teams that really compare are the Wolves and Bucks and it is debatable wheter or not they are in a better position (considering cap space, draft picks, assets, etc.)

At least compare teams who are on the same playing field.

The Jazz were literally a younger team than the Sixers were last season, and won twice as many games in a much more difficult conference.

Sixers have a shot at growing up and getting better, but the Jazz don't?

I like the Jazz roster but to say that they are younger really isn't fair considering we have Jason Richardson and Ish Smith skewing that. And while I don't necessarily agree my bet is that the fact the Jazz have Hayward and Favors tied up and the fact that they are a fringe playoff team and their location sadly, is why their preceeved ceiling is a lot lower. Utah will need Exum/Hood/12th Pick to take that star step (It is possible IMO) to bust through that ceiling. The Sixers however ceiling isn't set yet so the possibilities are a lot less clear and thus in theory potentially amazeballs. All of the other rebuilding squads don't have that unknown factor.Orlando for example. I love Oladipo, and would love to have him on my squad. Payton too. But I think it is safe to say that neither seem like transcendent stars...whereas we can still hope that Embiid or 3rd Pick are. Noel is literally the only guy I imagine will matter for our "core" that we have seen play. We will soon find out what our "true" ceiling is when Embiid and 3rd Pick hit the floor.,until then we can hope and dream about how awesome it may be if Embiid is legit. That's the difference between us and other teams sans maybe the Wolves (and perhaps Lakers and Knicks), they have some clue what their guys are and their potential...because only one of our guys even played for us...we don't. The Jazz are further along in their rebuild than us. So are the Magic. The Wolves aren't but we also didn't have a Kevin Love to trade either. Could we end up worse than all of them? Hell yeah. But until we do...I wouldn't trade this for any of them sans maybe the TWolves and that is only due to my stannery of Wiggins and Towns.

There is this weird feeling that other fanbases want us to not be excited because things can go bad. The Sixers fanbase is excited for what the future holds....quit telling us we shouldn't be, pls.

[MiltownHawkeye]

There's still so many holes in the 76ers plan. This team is just as likely to bust as it is to boom. I don't buy into the hype whatsoever. I'll buy in when there's reason to.

Until then, I'm still gonna say the Jazz, Wolves, Bucks, Magic, Pelicans, and Celtics are in better situations.

You are comparing teams in totally different stages of a rebuild.

The Jazz and Celtics both have treadmill written all over them.

The Magic have lots of nice pieces but lack shooting and a "star" or star potential player.

The Pelicans just made the playoffs in the West, so they are irrelevant to this conversation.

The only teams that really compare are the Wolves and Bucks and it is debatable wheter or not they are in a better position (considering cap space, draft picks, assets, etc.)

At least compare teams who are on the same playing field.

The Jazz were literally a younger team than the Sixers were last season, and won twice as many games in a much more difficult conference.

Sixers have a shot at growing up and getting better, but the Jazz don't?

If your young talent has shown it can win games, it means you're on the treadmill. Sorry to break it to you man. You guys should trade Exum, Hood, Gobert, and other old players like that for picks to get off the treadmill again.

[loserX]

If your young talent has shown it can win games, it means you're on the treadmill. Sorry to break it to you man. You guys should trade Exum, Hood, Gobert, and other old players like that for picks to get off the treadmill again.

I lol'd.

[Unbreakable99]

If you're a fan of spreadsheets, sure. But most fans care about what's actually happening on the court. And there's no way that the current 76ers team is putting a better product on the floor that Jrue's 76ers team. And Hinkie was flipping guys he drafted like MCW and KJ this season to do more tanking.

Look, I don't mean to blast the 76ers like a lot of people around here. How they want to chase championships is their business, even if I have a minor gripe about teams intentionally bringing a bad product into other teams arenas. And I absolutely agree that they're in a better position going forward now than they were 3-4 years ago. But it'd be easier for everyone if Hinkie would just decide that it was time to try to win. Then everyone could agree about a turnaround.

We're just operating in degrees here. Your Bucks could have easily traded Giannis or your pick that became Jabari for some veterans and spared opposing fans from your 2013-2014 slopfest. (Which lost more games than either of our tanking years) But somehow what the Bucks did is ok and what the Sixers did isn't. All seems like a lot of moral grandstanding BS if you ask me. Let teams do what they want and leave them alone IMO.

It's the brazenness that attracts such ire. The 76ers have essentially said that they intend to be terrible until they get lucky. There's an implicit bit with every other rebuilding team that they are trying to develop a team, while the 76ers looks as every player merely as an asset. They aren't trying to rebuild anything, they're playing the slot machine.

Let me ask you this as a 76ers fan, which year does it stop being ok to tank? When you do expect them to try and win?

Let me ask you a question. When is Portland going to win another title? You guys haven't won in decades. What's holding you guys back? Your plan is a failure because you haven't even been to the conference Finals in years. Before you blast us how about look at your team. You are on the verge of possibly losing Aldridge. If you do then what? If he stays then what? You guys still can t win it all with your current team. Tell me your plan. It's been since 1977 since you won it all. What has been going on and when will you win it all again. Your plan has FAILED!

[Mik317]

You are comparing teams in totally different stages of a rebuild.

The Jazz and Celtics both have treadmill written all over them.

The Magic have lots of nice pieces but lack shooting and a "star" or star potential player.

The Pelicans just made the playoffs in the West, so they are irrelevant to this conversation.

The only teams that really compare are the Wolves and Bucks and it is debatable wheter or not they are in a better position (considering cap space, draft picks, assets, etc.)

At least compare teams who are on the same playing field.

The Jazz were literally a younger team than the Sixers were last season, and won twice as many games in a much more difficult conference.

Sixers have a shot at growing up and getting better, but the Jazz don't?

If your young talent has shown it can win games, it means you're on the treadmill. Sorry to break it to you man. You guys should trade Exum, Hood, Gobert, and other old players like that for picks to get off the treadmill again.

Except no one is **** saying that? Both the Bucks and Jazz have a chance to be next. It is just that the Jazz have a lot more guys we can get a better grasp of what their ceilings are. Hayward and Favors are all star calibur dudes. Gobert is a beast. However do you really think any of those guys can lead them to a chip? Their fate IMO is on Exum (or Hood or 12th pick guy) to become that STAR level player...it is very possible but only because we don't have enough data to truly see what their final ceilings are. However that is with also having dudes maxed out, probably picking 12th to 17th every year, and having difficulty attracting FAs..That doesn't mean blow it up of course but the end result is a lot clearer

we can end up there too....again I have admitted as such. I'm not sitting here acting like it is a lock that we will win all the chips. However, the lack of anything factual is a good reason to be a little optimistic for now. this article is stupid. But like every Sixers thread there is a lot of misconceptions and tired rhetoric that goes around like facts.

[Unbreakable99]

There's still so many holes in the 76ers plan. This team is just as likely to bust as it is to boom. I don't buy into the hype whatsoever. I'll buy in when there's reason to.

Until then, I'm still gonna say the Jazz, Wolves, Bucks, Magic, Pelicans, and Celtics are in better situations.

The Jazz haven't won a title yet. You guys are still rebuilding. What's taking you guys so long? What is your plan? You guys haven't even made the playoffs in years. You guys stay in the lottery. Vic your team first before you ask about us. Make the playoffs before you ask about the Sixers.